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HSL still looks to be the lead, which was TAIS' partner.

Tho with this much delay, wouldn't be surprising if they decided to go in alone.
 

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"India had earlier negotiated with TAIS over fleet support vessels, but in the end it decided to go with an indigenous design."


So it's not the TAIS design. :unsure:

Okay so I created a free account (you can too, you get 1 free article per month I think).

I don't think it's okay to copy paste an otherwise paywalled article, so I'll just paraphrase (anyone interested can just create a free account & read)

Basically, it's saying that the TAIS deal was terminated due to political differences. But the Navy's requirement was still there so HSL (which is state-owned) cobbled together a consortium of local companies to take on the project by itself.

It's not mentioned if the WDB (Navy's own design bureau, previously known as DND, which designs most of India's locally-built warships including the Carrier) is involved or not, but judging by the language used (small & medium enterprises) it's likely that HSL instead went to smaller independent firms, possibly from Private sector (Vik Sandvik comes to mind).

But there are no details as to the companies actually involved.

Guess it's better to wait for more details...has there been any release from the TAIS side? If they won any contract for consultancy and/or design, would they announce it? @Anmdt
 

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Basically, it's saying that the TAIS deal was terminated due to political differences. But the Navy's requirement was still there so HSL (which is state-owned) cobbled together a consortium of local companies to take on the project by itself.
If this was possible, why wouldn't they do it earlier? Even such a consortium would end up outsourcing a western design bureu for doing the design and leading the construction (assuming lack of the experience on such platforms was the prime cause for looking a foreign partner).

And if i am not mistaken there were other likely candidates and TAIS has given the best offer, so why not going for other candidates if the TAIS deal ceased due to the political differences.
Guess it's better to wait for more details...has there been any release from the TAIS side? If they won any contract for consultancy and/or design, would they announce it?
No they wouldn't, the companies here wouldn't care announcing such a thing unless they are listed in stock exchange or it does contribute for another deal. For this case they might have been (just assuming) advised to remain silent as possible.

But i remember they (Anadolu Shipyard, member of TAIS, who has done the deal with HSL) was looking for a project manager - supervisor to settle in India during project timeline and they have got a person (not like hired but agreed with someone). Need to ask some people if it is going through.
 

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If this was possible, why wouldn't they do it earlier? Even such a consortium would end up outsourcing a western design bureu for doing the design and leading the construction (assuming lack of the experience on such platforms was the prime cause for looking a foreign partner).

And if i am not mistaken there were other likely candidates and TAIS has given the best offer, so why not going for other candidates if the TAIS deal ceased due to the political differences.

I kind of answered this before in other threads. To put it shortly, GRSE is the only yard in India with the in-house experience in oilers/supply ships (INS Aditya, 24k tons), but HSL was trying to enter the field to compete, eventhough both are state-owned they are managed by independent boards and have independent budgets, so HSL sought to make up for it's lack of expertise by tying up with international partners.

In the meantime, GRSE had moved their business model more toward main surface combatants (frigates, corvettes) and got no follow-up orders for the oilers. The MoD saw fit to develop a new yard for oilers, LHDs and other such larger vessels and nominated HSL. The rest is history.

That said, there may have been other factors as well (like trying to use the deal to get Turkish government to ease off on Kashmir etc.)

But whatever the reasons, if the article is to be believed, they've moved on to taking a gamble on new companies, but no foreign partner is mentioned, only local ones.

It's possible MoD convinced GRSE to part with its expertise (which I guess would be against shareholder interest), or maybe it was all just a political tool and it failed so the Govt decided to end the charade and move on.

I say that because technically, correct me if I'm wrong, TAIS hasn't actually built any supply vessel of this scale before either (45k+ tons), so they were taking a gamble either way. The only partner that made sense was HHI, but the commercial negotiations didn't work out. The kind of vessels of this type that Turkish yards built/building like the Derya are very similar in scale to what WDB had already designed in the past.

So I felt something was fishy the minute they went to TAIS, instead of the traditional partners in naval projects (Russia or France).
 

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TAIS hasn't actually built any supply vessel of this scale before either (45k+ tons), so they were taking a gamble either way
They have built similar sizes in commercial ships and the supply vessel of Turkish Navy (20k tonnes) going above. Beyond a point, the size does not add a complexity but propulsion system and other equipment do.

However, it wasn't Anadolu Shipyard that took part in TCG Derya, but Sefine (with a separate Turkish design bureu), Anadolu shipyard focuses on landing ships primarily and training ships/OPVs recently. Neither their shipyard could support a ship of such size. They are possibly working with the same design bureu that designed TCG Derya who also have experience in large tankers.

It's possible MoD convinced GRSE to part with its expertise (which I guess would be against shareholder interest), or maybe it was all just a political tool and it failed so the Govt decided to end the charade and move on.
In the end, supply vessels are not complex vessels for a country who already builds commercial tankers beyond 150 meters. But with a local consortium they would need to restart most of the procedures and design itself would take few years to complete. If there is no urgency that seems like the logical way.
 

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Apparently Dearsan built and exported a mid size hovercraft(s?) to Turkmen Navy??

For more information;


Posted about this a year ago.

Turkish Llody (Classification society of TR) has provided services to several naval projects abroad;

What was remaining unknown among other well known projects;
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It was earlier reported Turkmenistan Navy had acquired ToT & License for a hoverraft - LCAC in troop carrier configuration. Looks like Dearsan has used the ToT & License from a Russian company named Sea Tech and constructed it in Turkmenbashi, at the shipyard where Bars and Serhet Class was constructed, with TL classification. The design initially was classified as a ferry, civilian boat and TL has adopted naval ship, auxillary rules for a hovercraft.

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http://www.seatech.ru/rus/project/speedships/st350/design/9_big.jpg
 

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About T-155 fırtına,do we still need the foreign parts or engine from Korean or German?

There were news about export year before,finally did it done?
 

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I know this is old stuff but the video is good. (Official channel of Philippines Presidential Broadcast Staff-Radio Television Malacanang)
 

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I know this is old stuff but the video is good. (Official channel of Philippines Presidential Broadcast Staff-Radio Television Malacanang)
Definetly agree even though the helicopter washing with holy water is absurd.It's hard to accept, but the camouflages they use are much cooler than the camouflages of the helicopters in our Ground Forces inventory.
 

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ASELSAN signed an export contract with Turkish Aerospace Industries for the end use of an international customer with a total value of 87 million 275 thousand 523 dollars.
• Contractual deliveries covering avionics systems will be made by 2027

It seems to me that it could be an ATAK helicopter.
 

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Definetly agree even though the helicopter washing with holy water is absurd.It's hard to accept, but the camouflages they use are much cooler than the camouflages of the helicopters in our Ground Forces inventory.

If they could add Aselsan's DIRCM and Mateksan's Mildar to T-129, it would be the perfect choice for BD army amd air force.
 

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And? Did they see the ukranians war ?
and other weapons west and east all their armored and other type of weapons are problematic because they are build by humans not Allah .
They did test it with other vihacles and arma was the best . Its primary role is not to swim but to ride on terrain so its normal to get some probpems during swiming .
 

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ASELSAN signed an export contract with Turkish Aerospace Industries for the end use of an international customer with a total value of 87 million 275 thousand 523 dollars.
• Contractual deliveries covering avionics systems will be made by 2027

It seems to me that it could be an ATAK helicopter.

From what I remember that Morocco and UAE are interested in the ATAK heli . it was a last year news
 

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