TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Agha Sher]

You mean 23 million per TB2?

Recent customers are paying $17 mUSD per unit w. the full package included. (training, maintenance etc.)

 

[Khagan1923]

Recent customers are paying $17 mUSD per unit w. the full package included. (training, maintenance etc.)

Cheap. Chinese offering are maybe a bit cheaper but don’t possess the same quality ( NATO Standards).

 

[Afif]

Cheap. Chinese offering are maybe a bit cheaper but don’t possess the same quality ( NATO Standards).

17 million for tb2 doesnt sound cheap. it was around 8/10 million with full package previously but now @Agha Sher saying it is around 17 million.

 

[Agha Sher]

Cheap. Chinese offering are maybe a bit cheaper but don’t possess the same quality ( NATO Standards).

17 million for tb2 doesnt sound cheap. it was around 8/10 million with full package previously but now @Agha Sher saying it is around 17 million.

TB2 is no longer competing on price with anyone. It is the only tactical UCAV proven in battle many times over. The value proposition is clear and unmatched - they will even charge higher prices in the future (especially in sales to Western European countries).

 

[Afif]

TB2 is no longer competing on price with anyone. It is the only tactical UCAV proven in battle many times over. The value proposition is clear and unmatched - they will even charge higher prices in the future (especially in sales to Western European countries).

Actually with higher production rate price usually comes down, For example, f35. And F35 isnt competing with anything.

 

[Agha Sher]

Actually with higher production rate price usually comes down, For example, f35. And F35 isnt competing with anything.

Cost comes down not prices.

For F-35 partner countries cost coming down is linked to lower prices. This is however not the case for non-partners (although discounts can be given for bulk purchases). Just look at how the wealthy Arab countries are overpaying for everything.

 

[Oublious]

Unit is with weapon package and service, maybe they are goig to open a building to maintain ther drone fleet?

 

[Ammar]

Massive contract signed with Kuwait!

UCAVs for $370 mUSD!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615707374463090688

@Zafer

18 units + With full equipment, training simulators and logistic support..​

 

[Afif]

$20 million per unit with its total package.

After all, Arab countries really pays double for everything they buy.

Iirc, the polish deal was around 12 million per aircraft along with the standard package.

 

[Ammar]

More than $20 million per unit with its total package.

After all, Arab countries really pays double for everything thy buy.

No,
I was going to write the details of the deal later, but I will write it now:


The value of one Bayraktar TB2 aircraft was calculated at five million dollars (previously it was 3.2 million dollars), with each plane allocating 100 MAM-L air-to-surface missiles with a total value of $10 million, so the total number of aircraft and ammunition is $270 million
Add to that training simulators, technical support and three command-and-control centers with an approximate value of $100 million, and the total deal is $370 million.

Similar to the logic of the Polish deal
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[Afif]

The value of one Bayraktar TB2 aircraft was calculated at five million dollars (previously it was 3.2 million dollars), with each plane allocating 100 MAM-L air-to-surface missiles with a total value of $10 million, so the total number of aircraft and ammunition is $270 million
Add to that training simulators, technical support and three command-and-control centers with an approximate value of $100 million, and the total deal is $370 million.

Similar to the logic of the Polish deal​

I dont follow, shouldnt it be $180 millions for 18 units if $10 millions is per unit cost with the ammunition package? how is it $ 270 millions?

And Poles brought 24 TB2 for approximately $270 millions package deal, which included ammunition, c2 center, training simulator and logistics. So, it is $10 millions per aircraft along with the ammunition package. That is $240 millions and extra $30 millions for training and logistic. overall $11.25 millions per aircraft in the Polish deal.

 

[Rodeo]

I dont follow, shouldnt it be $180 million for 18 units if $10 million is per unit cost with the ammunition package?

The news is from SavunmaSanayist.

Translation:

"According to the information obtained by SavunmaSanayiST.com, Kuwait; It will supply 18 Bayraktar TB2 SİHAs, 1800 Mini Smart Ammunition, 3 Ground Control Stations (YKİ) and simulators. $90 million of the $370 million budget is comprised of 18 aircraft. More than half of the remaining $280 million budget will be spent on Roketsan-produced MAM-L ammunition.

In addition to the Bayraktar TB2 SİHAs, Kuwait supplies 3 YKIs and simulators in addition to ammunition. In addition, a large-scale training and logistics service package will be offered to Kuwait by BAYKAR. Thus, Kuwait will be able to keep Bayraktar TB2 SİHAs operational for a long time."

Kuveyt kaç adet Bayraktar TB2 SİHA aldı? | SavunmaSanayiST

Kuveyt'in Bayraktar TB2 SİHA tedariki, BAYKAR tarafından resmen açıklandı. Kuveyt, Bayraktar TB2 SİHA'lara 370 milyon dolar bütçe ayırdı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Afif]

The news is from SavunmaSanayist.

Translation:

"According to the information obtained by SavunmaSanayiST.com, Kuwait; It will supply 18 Bayraktar TB2 SİHAs, 1800 Mini Smart Ammunition, 3 Ground Control Stations (YKİ) and simulators. $90 million of the $370 million budget is comprised of 18 aircraft. More than half of the remaining $280 million budget will be spent on Roketsan-produced MAM-L ammunition.

In addition to the Bayraktar TB2 SİHAs, Kuwait supplies 3 YKIs and simulators in addition to ammunition. In addition, a large-scale training and logistics service package will be offered to Kuwait by BAYKAR. Thus, Kuwait will be able to keep Bayraktar TB2 SİHAs operational for a long time."

Kuveyt kaç adet Bayraktar TB2 SİHA aldı? | SavunmaSanayiST

Kuveyt'in Bayraktar TB2 SİHA tedariki, BAYKAR tarafından resmen açıklandı. Kuveyt, Bayraktar TB2 SİHA'lara 370 milyon dolar bütçe ayırdı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

So, it looks like they are buying extra ammunitions along with the standard package for training and logistics. 100 per TB2 is lot.

 

[Ammar]

The news is from SavunmaSanayist.

The topic was posted on the site 45 minutes ago, I shared the info an hour ago & early in the morning

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615858207196581889

 

[TheInsider]

1800 smart ammo is a lot. Roketsan probably charges 100k $ per MAM-L. Baykar sells naked/flyaway TB2 for 5 million $. Roketsan is making a huge profit from that deal.

 

[Fighter_35]

1800 smart ammo is a lot. Roketsan probably charges 100k $ per MAM-L. Baykar sells naked/flyaway TB2 for 5 million $. Roketsan is making a huge profit from that deal.

Are you sure that it is not Baykar making money from roketsan missiles?
Since Baykar made a deal with roketsan taht I asked how roketsan accepted such a deal. That deal gives right to sell roketsan missiles to export countries not roketsan itself. And I was asking how a company accept that another company will make more profit than it's producing company!!

 

[Rodeo]

And I was asking how a company accept that another company will make more profit than it's producing company!!

How do you know this? Are you writing your suspicions as facts?

 

[Fighter_35]

Baykar is selling roketsan missiles to export countries!! and even making money from that systems!!
Some one was asking which incentives Baykar gets etc. This is directly killing both competition and gives Baykar huge money!!

baykar roketsan mam l imza - Google Search

 

[Fighter_35]

How do you know this? Are you writing your suspicions as facts?

How i know??
Even in this deal there is no roketsan! involvement ,you have heard any roketsan in the announcements??
And see my reply above how roketsan made deliveries to Baykar not to export country itself. And if you look on Google yourself ,you will find the new deals with roektsan as well!!

 

[Afif]

How i know??
Even in this deal there is no roketsan! involvement ,you have heard any roketsan in the announcements??
And see my reply above how roketsan made deliveries to Baykar not to export country itself. And if you look on Google yourself ,you will find the new deals with roektsan as well!!

But as we all know, that is how defense deals are made.
Main contractor make it own deal with subcontractors for supplying the subsystems.

What is wrong with that?