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Of course when you compare it with French or British product it would be very reasonable. But guess what? we bought this 52C 155mm SPH with only 2.2 each back in 2013.
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NORA B-52 K1.

This is why I kind of thought BORAN's unit cost would be around $1 million.
Truck mounted howitzers are essentially field howitzers with a lightly armoured cage encompessing them mounted on the back of a truck so the only expenses aside the howitzer is a lightly armoured truck which would most likely be in the $300k+ range + computerized systems. I would have thought they would be in the $5m+ ranges so they are interestingly cheap, apart from a couple anamolies like the CAESEAR 8x8 which is approx $7.5M so I would assume what makes money is the technological capabilities like accuracy and computerized systems, still they are interestingly cheap ... you learn something new everyday i guess
For reference the DANA 152mm SPGH was sold to Ukraine late 2020 for $1.55M a piece

DANA 152mm SPGH
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CAESEAR 8x8
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Truck mounted howitzers are essentially field howitzers with a lightly armoured cage encompessing them mounted on the back of a truck so the only expenses aside the howitzer is a lightly armoured truck which would most likely be in the $300k+ range + computerized systems. I would have thought they would be in the $5m+ ranges so they are interestingly cheap, apart from a couple anamolies like the CAESEAR 8x8 which is approx $7.5M so I would assume what makes money is the technological capabilities like accuracy and computerized systems, still they are interestingly cheap ... you learn something new everyday i guess
For reference the DANA 152mm SPGH was sold to Ukraine late 2020 for $1.55M a piece

DANA 152mm SPGH
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CAESEAR 8x8
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Hopefully ASFAT can develop ARPAN into something similar to CAESEAR or ATMOS 2000. ( however I personally prefer Archer and nora b 52s concept. It is better to get rid of this manual loading thing, it left operators exposed in the open area )
 

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Hopefully ASFAT can develop ARPAN into something similar to CAESEAR or ATMOS 2000. ( however I personally prefer Archer and nora b 52s concept. It is better to get rid of this manual loading thing, it left operators exposed in the open area )
the problem is Turkey is not able to make the material for 105mm gun yet, that the only thing is missiles but several companies work on it simultaneously
 

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Weird, is it that hard?
obviously we talk about NATO standart that you can sell it with. If you want to produce like Russia and always try to repair it, it would be easy as even some Turkish countries has the capacity to produce Russian version 125mm gun.
Turkey actually started a new tactic, until its own high quality gun is ready, it also wants to offer the turret with Russian gun so customers will know from beginning that gun needs to be cared of often but they also used to it such as Kazakistan or even my country Azerbaijan. The problem is here, Turkey want to keep its name as high quality producer like Germany so they would wait to make sure their product will not get any bad comments from customers as it will let new purchased to be made
 

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Doesn't Morocco operate TB-2? Possibly either more TB-2 or ammunition for it.
Yes we do operate 36 tb2s according to Moroccan sources. Previously we picked up tb2s at tekirdag airport and not Istanbul airport..
 

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Killer drones and multi-billion dollar deals: Turkey’s rapidly-growing defense industry is boosting its global clout​


Taken from CNBC

By Natasha Turak-


KEY POINTS
  • Turkey’s revenue from overseas defense exports rose by 42% between 2020 and 2021, with foreign contracts making up as much as 90% of revenue for some companies.
  • The powerful Turkish-made Bayraktar TB-2 drone has won fame for its role in helping Ukrainian forces devastate Russia’s initial offensive.
  • The industry transformation has its roots in the early 2000s, when Ankara outlined a strategy to build a modern and self-sustained defense sector.

In the early weeks of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, a music video surfaced online.
It featured clips of missile launchers and Russian tanks in a drone’s crosshairs, as deep-voiced men sang the words in Ukrainian: “The occupiers came to us in Ukraine, with brand new uniforms and military vehicles, but their inventory melted into steel … Bayraktar!”

The last word drops as an explosion is seen obliterating a Russian target.
The video quickly went viral, the song written as an homage to the powerful Turkish-made Bayraktar TB-2 drone that helped Ukrainian forces devastate Russia’s initial offensive. The now-famous drone is produced by Istanbul-headquartered defense company Baykar Makina – whose chief technology officer happens to be Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s son-in-law.
Drones aren’t the only thing elevating Turkey’s status as a growing player in the global defense industry. The sheer number of international deals the country’s defense firms have made in the last few years reveals rapidly rising demand, major R&D investment and a growing source of leverage for Turkey’s foreign relations.

Record defense exports​

In 2022, Turkey hit a record $4.4 billion in arms exports – a figure larger than some European countries’ annual defense budgets. After exceeding its export target for the year, Turkey’s government aims to bring that figure to $6 billion in 2023. Turnover for the country’s defense industry as a whole last year was $10 billion, according to Turkey’s Presidency of Defense Industries.
Revenue from overseas defense exports rose by 42% between 2020 and 2021, with foreign contracts making up as much as 90% of revenue for some Turkish companies — like Baykar, the Atlantic Council reported in December. Turkey is home to some 2,000 companies in the sector.


A vessel claimed to be a Russian Raptor boat is destroyed with use of Ukrainian, Turkish-supplied Bayraktar drone, near Snake Island, Ukraine in this screen grab obtained from a social media video on May 2, 2022.


A vessel claimed to be a Russian Raptor boat is destroyed with use of Ukrainian, Turkish-supplied Bayraktar drone, near Snake Island, Ukraine in this screen grab obtained from a social media video on May 2, 2022.
Courtesy: Ukraine Naval Forces.



The transformation has its roots in the early 2000s, when Ankara outlined a strategy to build a modern and self-sustained defense sector and encourage domestic investment. Erdogan’s two-decade long project, which continues to see strong state investment in local firms, is paying off as arms sales bolster Turkish influence abroad.
And while Turkey’s military manufacturing footprint is still small compared to major players like the U.S., Russia, and China, it’s won outsized attention for the performance of its weapons like the Bayraktar drone, which has been used in Libya, Syria, and the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict in addition to Ukraine.

Keeping up foreign relations​

Sales of weapons and technologies, especially drones, “have helped [Turkey] improve ties” internationally, the Atlantic Council wrote, in particular with “states such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan, and even establish new ties with various other countries such as Poland, Saudi Arabia, and Tunisia.”
The sales bolster Turkey’s clout in the Gulf states and Europe, too. At IDEX, the Middle East’s largest arms fair held in February in Abu Dhabi, Turkey’s presence was impossible to miss. Enormous Turkish-branded pavilions showcased everything from armored trucks and drones to assault rifles, tactical gear and laser-guided missiles.
The Ukraine-Russian war has created a huge demand, even the countries that are not participating in the war are stockpiling. We are already doubling our manufacturing capacity just to meet demand.
Emin Öner
CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, ASSAN GROUP
“There is significant international demand from the Middle East, from Asia, from Europe. Also with the war in Ukraine, Turkiye is trying to do our best in supporting with equipment, including with UAVs and land platforms,” Alper Öziblen, chairman of Turkish defense company Pavo Group, told CNBC at IDEX.
“This shows us that Turkish products have been mature enough to use in the battlefields,” he said. “Our clients, our partners are very happy.”

ABU DHABI, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - FEBRUARY 21: Tulpar, Turkish heavy infantry fighting vehicle designed by the Sakarya-based automotive manufacturer Otokar, on display at the 16th edition of International Defence Exhibition and Conference (IDEX) and the 7th edition of the Naval Defence and Maritime Security Exhibition (Navdex) in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, February 21 2023. IDEX is the largest joint defence exhibition in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region, it is running from 20 untill 24 F

Tulpar, Turkish heavy infantry fighting vehicle designed by the Sakarya-based automotive manufacturer Otokar, on display at the 16th edition of International Defence Exhibition and Conference (IDEX) in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, February 21 2023.
Photo by Mohammed Zarandah | Anadolu Agency | Getty Images



Öziblen and other Turkish executives CNBC spoke to all confirmed they had ongoing or planned partnerships and deals with the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and other oil-rich Gulf states. Many of those countries are investing heavily in growing their own defense sectors — and some, like the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, have provided substantial financial support to Turkey or pledged billions of dollars in trade and investment.
Öziblen highlighted the expertise of his and other Turkish companies in areas like cryptography, essential for secure communications on the battlefield, as well as electronic subsystems for drones and land platforms.
“Information technology is a major part of the defense domain, and we are positioning ourselves in that domain,” he said. And the investment shows in the numbers: research and development in Turkey’s defense sector “recently increased by 30 percent,” the Atlantic Council’s report wrote.

Supplying NATO, Ukraine and beyond​

As NATO allies race to supply Ukraine with arms to combat Russia, many of those allies – particularly in Europe – are running severely low on their own weapons stocks. Turkish defense manufacturers say they are booked for the next several years with orders to help replenish NATO stockpiles.
Those firms also have high demand from Turkey’s military alone — it is, after all, the second-largest military in NATO after the United States.

ABU DHABI, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - FEBRUARY 21: A view from the stand of Turkish ASSAV Defense Company at the 16th edition of International Defence Exhibition and Conference (IDEX) and the 7th edition of the Naval Defence and Maritime Security Exhibition (Navdex) held in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, February 21 2023. IDEX is the largest joint defence exhibition in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region, it is running from 20 untill 24 February 2023. (Photo by Mohammed Zarandah/Anadolu Agency via


A view from the stand of Turkish ASSAV Defense Company at the 16th edition of International Defense Exhibition and Conference (IDEX) held in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, February 21 2023.
Mohammed Zarandah | Anadolu Agency | Getty Images


“The Ukraine-Russian war has created a huge demand, even the countries that are not participating in the war are stockpiling. We are already doubling our manufacturing capacity just to meet demand [from NATO countries],” Emin Öner, chairman of the board of Turkish defense firm Assan Group, told CNBC.
“All the manufacturers are booked for at least five more years,” Öner said. He said that his company was fully booked with orders for the next few years, with shifts running round the clock — despite that fact that Assan does not currently make products for Ukraine. It would do so if the Turkish government requested it, he said.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan (L), Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (C) and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres (R) pose during a joint news conference after their meeting in Lviv, Ukraine on August 18, 2022.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan (L), Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (C) and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres (R) pose during a joint news conference after their meeting in Lviv, Ukraine on August 18, 2022.
Metin Atkas | Anadolu Agency | Getty Images


Not all of Turkey’s defense firms supply arms to Ukraine. Among those that do, some, like Baykar, do not comment publicly about it. Turkey’s government is playing a careful balancing act between Ukraine and Russia to act as a mediator between the two, and has maintained relations with Moscow, offering a new home for many Russians fleeing sanctions.
For Pavo Group’s Öziblen, however, his company’s provision of defense equipment to Ukraine is a point of pride.
“If [Ukraine] needs some know-how, knowledge, for specific systems, we are transferring it to them free of charge,” he said.
“It’s a kind of responsibility,” Öziblen added. “It’s more than business for us, actually. Ukraine matters more than business.”

 
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