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I am afraid you are grossly mistaken there.
The difficulty level of building an ICBM is exponentially more difficult than building SRBMs which we have so far been building.
Also it is claimed that Yildirimhan is supposed to be single stage. Currently there are no modern single stage liquid fuelled ICBMs. They are now obsolete as they are dangerous and posess operational difficulties.
Multi stage ICBMs are more complex to build. They need a great deal of specialised engineering know how.

Designing an ICBM is widely considered one of the most difficult engineering challenges, combining advanced propulsion, guidance, materials science, and physics under extreme constraints.
Managing flight characteristics in airless space, then flight for a while to reach apogee followed by re entry in to atmosphere is no easy task.
Guidance accuracy after having travelled 5500+km and releasing decoys in space are not the same as what you encounter with SRBMs.

During reentry the heat management and keeping structural integrity is a problem in its own right.

To reach such long distances, the booster mass may have to be 100 times bigger than the payload. Plus the rocket engines will have to be ultra efficient.
Testing is expensive and difficult due to international pressures.
The whole missile is just very very expensive to develop and manufacture.

What I have understood is, that we build a MRBM with Cenk already.
About the fuel, we have managed liquid fuel, if I am not mistaken.
About the Yildirimhan, it is expected to have a multi stage engine and not single stage.
 

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What I have understood is, that we build a MRBM with Cenk already.
About the fuel, we have managed liquid fuel, if I am not mistaken.
About the Yildirimhan, it is expected to have a multi stage engine and not single stage.
It says single stage here:
Nilüfer Kuzulu of MSB-ArGe has only mentioned that it has 4 rocket engines and is a 17.5 m long, 1.5m diameter rocket.
She also says that TSK's repair and maintenance factories had a hand in making it.

But we all know that apart from Delta-V and Roketsan no other entity in Türkiye has the technology to build rockets. Furthest we have managed in exo-atmospheric flight is just over 200 km altitude. Roketsan has been working on 400km altitude for sometime.
Yildirimhan missile is supposed to go above 1500 km altitude.
Cenk missile is a myth. We don't know if it even flew.
There are news that end of 2025 Tayfun Block 4 was flight tested. But no video yet.


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Contrary to general belief when missile is travelling in upward direction, there is still the effect of gravity on the missile. There is no such thing as zero gravity. There is weightlessness. But not zero gravity.
So the missile has to climb to its apogee overcoming the force of gravity whilst burning fuel all the time.

Re: zero gravity vs weightlessness.

First remember how when a plane starts dropping towards earth with an acceleration of 9.8m/s2, everyone inside becomes weightless.
But the force of gravity is still there. By dropping at that acceleration it is temporarily nullified.

When a rocket is in space and is travelling at a tangential speed of 27600km/hr at 400km altitude (as per ISS), it is Infact dropping towards earth negating gravity and because of it’s speed, it is staying in orbit. Hence weightless situation for the inhabitants of the rocket/ISS.
 
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Nilüfer Kuzulu of MSB-ArGe has only mentioned that it has 4 rocket engines and is a 17.5 m long, 1.5m diameter rocket.
I am confused. Which one is correct? A single stage or a multi (4) stage engine ?

Cenk missile is a myth
Are you serious? You think we don’t have?
But we all know that apart from Delta-V and Roketsan no other entity in Türkiye has the technology to build rockets

Whom belongs the IP rights of these technologies?
 

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Fergani Space is also making its own space rocket but we don't know much about it other than that it will be reusable. Interestingly MSB Arge's Yıldırımhan rocket specs closely match the Jericho 3 and Jericho 4 rockets of Israel.
 

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Fergani Space is also making its own space rocket but we don't know much about it other than that it will be reusable. Interestingly MSB Arge's Yıldırımhan rocket specs closely match the Jericho 3 and Jericho 4 rockets of Israel.
What do you mean to say by that?
 

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Are you serious? You think we don’t have?
They showed us a glimpse of a missile with two technicians fitting it's cap. But nothing more since then. Until we see it fly and subjected to tests, it is no better than a myth.

I am confused. Which one is correct? A single stage or a multi (4) stage engine ?
No one has mentioned it to have multi stages. But only 4 rocket motors on it’s rear end. And the site I shared above, clearly states it having a single stage.
Whom belongs the IP rights of these technologies?
Not sure who owns the rights of the tech. But whoever is developing it should have the rights; unless development costs are met by the government. Then İP rights should belong to the government.
 

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What do you mean to say by that?
The dimensions and the range target of the so called Yıldırımhan rocket is on par with the Israeli Jericho rocket's version 3 and version 4. I am not saying the Yıldırımhan rocket is real but the specification are the specifications of the Jericho rocket.

 
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Gulf turns to Turkey for air defence systems amid Iran threats​


As drone warfare reshape the region and US suppliers remain backlogged, Gulf states move to secure Turkish military products


A Tulpar Turkish heavy infantry fighting vehicle on display during the opening day of the Saha Expo, an international defence and aerospace exhibition, in Istanbul on 5 May 2026 (Yasin Akgul/AFP)

By Ragip Soylu in Ankara

Published date: 11 May 2026 13:47 BST | Last update: 1 day 1 min ago



As the United States government and defence companies face long backlogs in delivering weapons to their clients, Gulf and Arab states are increasingly signing deals to buy or invest in Turkish arms.
The US and Israel's war on Iran since late February has placed heavy pressure on Gulf countries, particularly Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
Despite their robust air defence systems, which remain effective against ballistic missiles, these states are facing ammunition shortages and a serious challenge from Iranian long-range drones, which have succeeded in destroying several long-range radar systems in the region.
Since then, Gulf states have stepped up engagement with the Turkish government and defence companies to sign contracts for Turkish air defence systems.
"The Gulf nations are on a buying spree, and they are even enquiring about systems already in use by military forces in the region," one person familiar with Gulf thinking told Middle East Eye. "There is even an interest from Oman, which is traditionally neutral."

That strategy was clearly visible during the Turkish arms fair, Saha Expo, which ended over the weekend, where Gulf countries and states such as Iraq made a strong showing.


Kuwaiti Defense Minister Sheikh Abdullah Ali Abdullah Al Sabah signed a government-to-government sales protocol to procure military systems from major Turkish defence companies, including Aselsan, Havelsan, drone maker Baykar, armoured vehicle producer Otokar and Yonca Shipyard.
One source familiar with Kuwaiti government thinking told MEE that Kuwait was particularly interested in Baykar's medium-altitude, long-endurance Akinci drones, as well as air defence systems such as Hisar, which is designed for short- and medium-altitude threats.
Kuwait's interest is not new. The country already purchased Bayraktar TB2 drones from Ankara in 2023.
Two Turkish defence industry insiders said Saudi Arabia and Qatar were also particularly interested in anti-drone systems produced by Turkish companies.
The insiders said both countries signed contracts to purchase the Korkut 100/25 air defence system. Produced by Aselsan, the system is designed to counter first-person-view and tethered drones using 25-millimetre smart ammunition.
They added that Saudi Arabia also intends to purchase newly unveiled air defence systems presented at Saha Expo, including laser-guided anti-drone systems that can be mounted on small trucks.

'A better offer'​

Interest in Turkish air defence systems extends beyond the Gulf. Iraq is also exploring such purchases.
Iraq's deputy army chief of staff for operations, Lieutenant General Saad Harbiye, told The National that Iraq was finalising the purchase of 20 air defence systems. A source familiar with the matter told MEE that these systems were also likely to be Korkut anti-drone vehicles.

However, the Gulf countries remain the largest potential buyers. UAE Vice President Mansour bin Zayed also visited the Saha fair on Friday, inspecting products displayed by several companies.
One area where Turkey is still struggling to offer a credible option to Gulf states is in the interception of ballistic missiles.
Although Ankara has several systems under development, including the Siper long-range missile defence system, it would need another four to five years of development to adapt them effectively against ballistic missile threats.
One Turkish defence industry insider said Gulf countries remained interested in future Turkish systems because alternative suppliers, such as the United States, face delivery backlogs of several years for Patriot and THAAD systems and their ammunition.
"They can buy Turkish systems within a similar timeframe, with a potential option for localisation and joint development if the conditions are right," the insider said.
"And they increasingly recognise that it is a better offer."


 

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