TR Defence Exports & Updates

[emrebnc]

1. Chat GPT is not allowed in this forum.
2. If you listened to the official statements you would know that Tayfun had a suppressed trajectory.
3. The graph is a generic one to illustrate a typical suppressed trajectory.
4. Before accusing people with providing wrong information, I suggest you investigate more in detail.
5. If you have a valid point then make it with valid source material.

You have the burden of proof here if you are saying tayfun is going thorugh a sine wave type trajectory for some reason.

 

[Yasar_TR]

You have the burden of proof here if you are saying tayfun is going thorugh a sine wave type trajectory for some reason.

No I don’t have the “burden of proof” when this issue was discussed here many times.
You need to read what is written a bit more carefully. The sine wave illustration is a generic one. Not necessarily belonging to Tayfun.
This missile has to evade ground air defence systems. In order to do this these type of missiles manoeuvre and alter flight altitude. That is what makes them “hypersonic missiles”. Not just their speeds. To do that they need to be flying within atmosphere.

Just read the last 2 paragraphs in below article.

IDEF25: TAYFUN Block 4 Packs a Bigger Punch with More Reach | TURDEF

ROKETSAN has revealed the TAYFUN Block 4 ballistic missile with hypersonic speed and more size to carry a larger warhead and reach longer ranges during IDEF25.

turdef.com

 

[Sanchez]

TAI and ENAER, Chile's national airspace company signed an MoU to work on UAVs. Anka and Aksungur models on the table. Chile does have a huge EEZ and a Chinese fishing ships problem they are trying to curb.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2042207968255492373

Chile plans to build a national UAV based on the Turkish ANKA or Aksungur, adapted to the needs of the Chilean Air Force.​

Now, ENAER and its subsidiary DTS have clarified the initial scope of the memorandum, which focuses directly on creating a project proposal based on established platforms such as the ANKA and the AKSUNGUR . The technical specifications of this UAV will be precisely tailored to the country's operational requirements, with an interest in surveillance, reconnaissance, and potentially other missions required by the Chilean Air Force (FACh).

One of the most important aspects of the agreement is the transfer of knowledge through the active participation of ENAER and DTS engineering teams in training and collaborative design activities to be carried out at Turkish Aerospace 's facilities in Turkey. This will allow Chilean professionals to gain direct experience in the development of medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) UAV technology, a segment in which TAI has demonstrated great maturity with successful exports and real-world operations.

Furthermore, the memorandum contemplates the possibility of moving towards local manufacturing of selected components at ENAER's facilities in Chile, along with the development of specific electronic systems by DTS, geared towards meeting the particular needs of Chilean clients. In this way, the aim is not only to acquire proven platforms, but also to generate added value within Chile, boosting technological sovereignty and the local supply chain in a strategic area for defense.

Chile proyecta construir un UAV nacional basado en el ANKA o Aksungur turco ajustado a las necesidades de la Fuerza Aérea de Chile

ENAER y DTS han precisado los alcances del acuerdo con la turca TAI que apuntan a un proyecto de dron en Chile basado en plataformas como el UAV ANKA

www.defensa.com

 

[2033]

Where did you get this specification from the officials? That depressed quasi whatever trajectory makes no sense at all. I assume you made chatgpt produce the plot.

You have the burden of proof here if you are saying tayfun is going thorugh a sine wave type trajectory for some reason.

You may be excited because you just joined the forum, but you should be a bit more respectful toward your elders

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2058469878223253894

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2058469878223253894

We need shipyard capacity for ourselves, why would we "rent" it out to another country so said shipyard builds their ships which aren't even Turkish products.

Big fat no from me. Especially not for Belgium which has upheld embargos on the Turkish defense industry for decades for the pkk.

They can purchase I-Class or TF2000 if they wish to benefit from Turkish shipyards.

 

[Pokemonte13]

We need shipyard capacity for ourselves, why would we "rent" it out to another country so said shipyard builds their ships which aren't even Turkish products.

Big fat no from me. Especially not for Belgium which has upheld embargos on the Turkish defense industry for decades for the pkk.

They can purchase I-Class or TF2000 if they wish to benefit from Turkish shipyards.

Its about money and to keep the shipyards busy and to attract international customers. They cant survive on the orders from TN alone and qualification not every shipyard in the world can produce western standard ships

 

[Khagan1923]

Its about money and to keep the shipyards busy and to attract international customers. They cant survive on the orders from TN alone and qualification not every shipyard in the world can produce western standard ships

Currently all shipyards are full with orders. @Anmdt touched on this multiple times, we sure as hell don't need to built ships from Damen for the Belgium for our shipyards to survive.

Like I said they want to benefit from our industry they can order Turkish ships with their own subsystems anything else they can fuck off.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Easy now on the language buddy.

 

[Saithan]

I understand why he's saying it. And normally a country would have enough Shipyards working to cycle through navy's needs without having to be rented out. Aside from that some Shipyards would be for commercial purposes.

 

[Huelague]

We need shipyard capacity for ourselves, why would we "rent" it out to another country so said shipyard builds their ships which aren't even Turkish products.

Big fat no from me. Especially not for Belgium which has upheld embargos on the Turkish defense industry for decades for the pkk.

They can purchase I-Class or TF2000 if they wish to benefit from Turkish shipyards.

Because we need the revenue (€/$), to produce and purchase our ships.

 

[Sanchez]

I understand why he's saying it. And normally a country would have enough Shipyards working to cycle through navy's needs without having to be rented out. Aside from that some Shipyards would be for commercial purposes.

That's not really a thing. Noone save for China have enough state owned shipyards for its own needs and a big navy.

Currently all shipyards are full with orders. @Anmdt touched on this multiple times, we sure as hell don't need to built ships from Damen for the Belgium for our shipyards to survive.

Like I said they want to benefit from our industry they can order Turkish ships with their own subsystems anything else they can fuck off.

We know from the Istif to Indonesia spat that shipyards are unhappy with financing and want more.

 

[Saithan]

Naval Shipyards are not commercial Shipyards, so wanting more money is redundant behavior. Considering the size of Türkiye and our navy, we don't need this greedy behavior. Which is why I'd say that building Naval ship fast should be possible, but not absolutely necessary and speeding up is not a good thing because we want to be able to keep these Shipyards working year around forever without running out of work to do.

When you think like that. Creating more Shipyards capable of producing Milgem and such is nice, but only if they can produce for other nations needs.

But you can't permit these Shipyards to misuse design plans and such of TN vessels.

My take is that there are too many Shipyards and there aren't enough work to go around the next 15 years.

Because the production line is filled up, but only for a few years after that who are they going to build ships for ?

Well there is still TCG who has rotted away...

 

[Sanchez]

Naval Shipyards are not commercial Shipyards

Only naval "shipyards" we have are the Istanbul Naval shipyard in Pendik and Gölcük for submarines. Rest are all commercial. It's a tight rope.

For the Indonesian deal, looks like they found the correct compromise.
F-519 and F-521, first and last ships of the second Istif batch will be delivered to Indonesia starting from 2027.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2058774067079942538

 

[TR_123456]

Only naval "shipyards" we have are the Istanbul Naval shipyard in Pendik and Gölcük for submarines. Rest are all commercial. It's a tight rope.

For the Indonesian deal, looks like they found the correct compromise.
F-519 and F-521, first and last ships of the second Istif batch will be delivered to Indonesia starting from 2027.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2058774067079942538

So,why this change of mind?

 

[Zafer]

So,why this change of mind?

Türkiye is becoming more assertive in our claims of sea regions and need to backup with more navy.

 

[TR_123456]

Türkiye is becoming more assertive in our claims of sea regions and need to backup with more navy.

You didnt get it.
We talked about this where we made our position clear.
First Turkish navy,then the rest.
I guess the listened.

 

[Zafer]

You didnt get it.
We talked about this where we made our position clear.
First Turkish navy,then the rest.
I guess the listened.

I don't think so. What do you know about who needs what.

 

[TR_123456]

I don't think so. What do you know about who needs what.

You know, trying to spin every decision as if it is the right one is getting old.
If one wants people to respect one one cant be blindly accepting following agreeing(with) everything our leaders do regarding our Armed Forces.
We need to be able to criticize everything that is wrong.
Selling those Istif class frigates was wrong and they knew it so they came up with a solution.

You claimed it was the right decision then and now you come up with this statement:''Türkiye is becoming more assertive in our claims of sea regions and need to backup with more navy.''


So,what is it now?
If they sell them its for money for our shipyards but if it we keep them its good for our power projection.
Do you see a contradiction in these statements?

 

[Sanchez]

So,why this change of mind?

It's all speculation of course. We can guess that Indonesia and shipyards wanted soon to be ready ships to be delivered. Qataris are financing it so Indonesia would get 2 ships in 2 years and shipyards would get a nice billion in the same time frame along with more orders from navy.

Knockback from the navy and some public discourse may or may not have changed some minds, which is good. I don't put much thought into thinking that twitter chatter helped a lot, but if it did, good. We have culminated some very nice relations with Indonesia in the last 3-4 years. Almost all ships in their navy will be carrying some Turkish subsystem in the future. It's good to keep that relationship solid. Regardless, F-519 and 521 can be delivered in 2 years, again a shorter timeframe than any other builder can offer at this time.