Don’t Assume the US Will Fight China and Russia One at a Time

[EastseaQ77]

Didn't US destroyed most of your air force If It wasn't for USSR or CHINA US would bomb the f out of vietnam without a hesitation thank USSR

US can do the same to your country easily while you can't even shoot down a single B-52 like Vietnam.

 

[xizhimen]

When was the last time PLA won a war in Asia ?

Maybe with India, but PLA is not a trigger happy bully going around the world to wage wars like US army.

 

[xizhimen]

+10000 social credit sir

For you , maybe.

 

[Manomed]

US can do the same to your country easily while you can't even shoot down a single B-52 like Vietnam.

the reason why Turkish and Indonesian air forces could not fire on the B-52s is that we're not at war with the US.

 

[Gary]

No, US forces were defeated in many raids, suh as THE NUI BA DEN MASSACRES

we're not counting raids here, I mean real battles involving all spectrum of the military, the US never lost any of that.

Raids are not battles. You should know this.

when I mean battles I mean this.

Battle of Khe Sanh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gary]

US can do the same to your country easily while you can't even shoot down a single B-52 like Vietnam.

Because simply there's no hostilities ??

but when we do, we do shot their bombers.

Allen Lawrence Pope - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[EastseaQ77]

Shooting down B-52s isn't that hard tbh whats your argument? Its a slow flying big ass plane.

My argument is that : of course we could not defeat US without help from China-USSR and your country is the same .

Actually it's very hard because B-52 never fly alone, it is well protected by Wild Weasel forces to destroy your radars, plus equipped with the best jamming device that make your radar can not see where is B-52.

Wild Weasel is a code name given by the United States Armed Forces, specifically the US Air Force, to an aircraft, of any type, equipped with anti-radiation missiles and tasked with the Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses: destroying the radar and Surface-to-Air Missile installations of enemy air defense systems.[1][2] "The first Wild Weasel success came soon after the first Wild Weasel mission 20 December 1965 when Captains Al Lamb and Jack Donovan took out a site during a Rolling Thunder strike on the railyard at Yen Bai, some 75 miles northwest of Hanoi."[3]

The Wild Weasel concept was developed by the United States Air Force in 1965, after the introduction of Soviet SAMs and their downing of U.S. strike aircraft over the skies of North Vietnam.[4] The program was headed by General Kenneth Dempster.
Wild Weasel V
The F-4E, the most advanced Phantom variant with extensive ground-attack capabilities and an internal gun, became the basis for the F-4G Wild Weasel V (also known as the Advanced Wild Weasel). This modification consisted of removing the gun and replacing it with the APR-38(t) Radar Homing and Warning Receiver (later upgraded to the APR-47), and a cockpit upgrade for the back seat to manage the electronic combat environment. A total of 134 F-4G models were converted from F-4Es with the first one flying in 1975. Squadron service began in 1978.

F-4Gs were deployed to three active wings. One was stationed at George AFB, Victorville, California, as part of the Rapid Deployment Force; one wing was assigned to USAFE (US Air Forces in Europe) at Spangdahlem AB, Germany; and the other to PACAF (Pacific Air Forces) at Clark AB, Philippines. F-4Gs from George AFB, Clark AB and Spangdahlem AB saw combat during Operation Desert Storm in 1991, successfully protecting strike packages from enemy air defenses. During this conflict the F-4G saw heavy use, with only a single loss: an aircraft from Spangdahlem AB crashed in Saudi Arabia while returning from a mission, after one of the AGM-88 HARM anti-radiation missiles hang fired which left the aircraft's instruments not displaying the correct altitude information and a significant frame tweak from the damage made the plane hard to control. After an investigation into the loss of the aircraft which occurred during several aborted landing attempts in a sandstorm, it was determined that a fuel cell was punctured by anti-aircraft fire. The pilot and EWO safely ejected after the engines shut down when the aircraft ran out of fuel attempting to land at a forward airstrip.

After Desert Storm, some of the George AFB aircraft were assigned to the 124th Wing of the Air National Guard at Boise, Idaho, 190th Fighter Squadron. Aircraft from Spangdahlem, Clark, and the remainder from George were assigned to the 561st Fighter Squadron, 57th Fighter Wing (Active Duty) at Nellis AFB, Las Vegas. The aircraft remained in service until 1996, with both squadrons participating in frequent deployments to Saudi Arabia and Turkey in support of Operation Provide Comfort, Operation Southern Watch, and Operation Vigilant Warrior enforcing the no-fly zones over Iraq. By this time the F-4G was the last operational variant of the Phantom II in the US forces. Many of the airframes were later used as target drones and Aircraft Battle Damage Repair training aids.

An F-4G with WW payload; near to far: AGM-88 HARM, AGM-65 Maverick, ALQ-119 ECM pod, AGM-78 Standard ARM and AGM-45 Shrike, circa 1981

Wild Weasel - Wikipedia

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[EastseaQ77]

Because simply there's no hostilities ??

but when we do, we do shot their bombers.

Allen Lawrence Pope - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

it was in 1958, no Wild Weasel team protected this pilot yet, while first Wild Weasel mission 20 December 1965 when Captains Al Lamb and Jack Donovan took out a site during a Rolling Thunder strike on the railyard at Yen Bai, some 75 miles northwest of Hanoi

 

[EastseaQ77]

we're not counting raids here, I mean real battles involving all spectrum of the military, the US never lost any of that.

Raids are not battles. You should know this.

when I mean battles I mean this.

Battle of Khe Sanh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, of course US is far stronger than Vietnam, its just like Mongol army also was far stronger than Vietnam-China, but the most important is Who is the last winner.

US is strong, so they are good at large scale battle while Vietnam is good at surprise raids plus building good air defense system and we won.

 

[Manomed]

Yes, of course US is far stronger than Vietnam, its just like Mongol army also was far stronger than Vietnam-China, but the most important is Who is the last winner.

vietnam number one we got it

 

[Gary]

it was in 1958, no Wild Weasel team protected this pilot yet, while first Wild Weasel mission 20 December 1965 when Captains Al Lamb and Jack Donovan took out a site during a Rolling Thunder strike on the railyard at Yen Bai, some 75 miles northwest of Hanoi

My point is :

1. The sole reason why we had not yet any tally on B-52 bomber is that we don't have hostilities with the US, so we're not expecting any B-52 to come bomb Jakarta any time soon.

2. Shooting B-52 are not exclusive for any nationalities, you could shot those B-52 if you are Vietnamese, Chinese , Indonesian....off course with some Soviet assistance ehemmm.

 

[EastseaQ77]

My point is :

1. The sole reason why we had not yet any tally on B-52 bomber is that we don't have hostilities with the US, so we're not expecting any B-52 to come bomb Jakarta any time soon.

2. Shooting B-52 are not exclusive for any nationalities, you could shot those B-52 if you are Vietnamese, Chinese , Indonesian....off course with some Soviet assistance ehemmm.

1. my friend, Vietnam also don't want to fight against mighty US, we want to be her friend (just see how much we want to have a TPP deal with US), but she was just so arrogance and wanted to fight. Indonesia don't have hostilities with the US now, but who knows when US become crazy and want to with with you ?? and do you know how to shoot down B52 yet ??

2. TO shoot down B-52, you must shoot down Wild Weasel team (protected B-52 and destroy radars ) first, B-52 never fly alone. Of course I bet that you also don't know what is Wild Weasel team till now.

 

[Gary]

US is strong, so they are good at large scale battle while Vietnam is good at surprise raids plus building good air defense system and we won.

Not really, see this ??

Seventeenth parallel | Vietnam War, Cold War, Border Dispute

Seventeenth parallel, the provisional military demarcation line established in Vietnam by the Geneva Accords (1954). The line did not actually coincide with the 17th parallel but ran south of it, approximately along the Ben Hai River to the village of Bo Ho Su and from there due west to the

www.britannica.com

that line is what preventing the US to pursue the communist all the way to the Chinese border, basically there'a a base in which the communists could gather and prepare out of touch from US pursuer on the ground.

During those 10 years, public support for the continuation of the Vietnam war eroded. things like this started to happen

an anti Vietnam war protest

The US is a democracy in which the president are chosen by the people, as the war proved unpopular for the govt and not want to risk losing election, the US GOP decided to exit Vietnam.

Note that they chose to exit, not expelled militarily by North Vietnam themselves.

Look, I have great respect for the VN war and their officer like Vo Nguyen Giap, but you should read more on the US exit on Vietnam and make claims based on proven historical records.

 

[Gary]

anyway @EastseaQ77 this is a good read.

CIA operatives in Indonesia manage to smuggle SA-2 missile parts and studied the missile and its sensors, contributing to a safer operation in Vietnam

How a CIA operation in Indonesia turned the Vietnam War - Asia Times

JAKARTA - A former World War II Dutch resistance fighter played a key role in the US Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) theft of Indonesian military

asiatimes.com

 

[xizhimen]

US lost Vietnam war is a common sense in US, I never met any Americans claiming they won the Vietnam war.

 

[EastseaQ77]

During those 10 years, public support for the continuation of the Vietnam war eroded. things like this started to happen

an anti Vietnam war protest

The US is a democracy in which the president are chosen by the people, as the war proved unpopular for the govt and not want to risk losing election, the US GOP decided to exit Vietnam.

Note that they chose to exit, not expelled militarily by North Vietnam themselves.

Look, I have great respect for the VN war and their officer like Vo Nguyen Giap, but you should read more on the US exit on Vietnam and make claims based on proven historical records.

My friend, US invaded Vietnam like Mongol invasion, of course Vietnam would get support from other nations who were/ are bullied by US/Mongol (China supported Vietnam against Mongol-Japan-US's invasion ).

Naturally, You always get support from someone when a mighty empire want to invade your country, even in 1,000 years ago because that empire is the Threat to the world. It's a nature when USSR-China-Cuba (Communist bloc) and even Iraq (under Saddam Hussein) and Sweden also support Vietnam

In 1971 Sweden announced support to Viet Cong. What were the motives behind it?

A.P.



Growing popular sympathy for the Vietnamese National Liberation Front seems to have pervaded a number of countries in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The first signs of such sympathies in Sweden occurred in the late ‘60s, when the government stopped permitting the sales of the Carl Gustav M45, aka the Swedish K submachine gun, to the United States, which until then had been a weapon of choice among CIA and MACV-SOG operatives. The first explicit signs of Swedish support for the VC, however, emerged on May 27, 1971, when Foreign Minister Torsten Nilsson announced that Sweden had sent $550,000 worth of medical and humanitarian aid to the NLF, as well as to communist forces in Laos and Cambodia. He hastened to emphasize, however, that none of that aid took the form of weaponry, leaving yet another bit of irony to the Vietnam War: the only Swedish ordnance to see combat use in Vietnam was used primarily by the Americans.

Why did Sweden support the Viet Cong?

In 1971 Sweden announced support to Viet Cong. What were the motives behind it? A.P. ? ? ? Dear A.P. Growing popular sympathy for the Vietnamese National

www.historynet.com

 

[xizhimen]

Actually there were troops from other countries helping US fight in Vietnam as well

It was fought between North Vietnam and South Vietnam. North Vietnam was supported by the Soviet Union, China and North Korea, while South Vietnam was supported by the United States, South Korea, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, and the Philippines.

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

Actually there were troops from other countries helping US fight in Vietnam as well

Yeah, but its not a civil war between North Vietnam and South Vietnam like Mao-Chiang in CN after ww2, bro. The South leaders actually were traitors, helping French colony killing VNese. After French was defeated, they follow US and continue killing VNese.

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Nguyen Van Thieu (Vietnamese: [ŋʷǐənˀ vān tʰîəwˀ] (About this soundlisten); 5 April 1923 – 29 September 2001) was a Vietnamese military officer and politician who was the president of South Vietnam from 1967 to 1975.[1][2] He was a general in the Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN), became head of a military junta in 1965, and then president after winning an election in 1967. He established rule over South Vietnam until he resigned and left the nation a few days before the fall of Saigon and the ultimate North Vietnamese victory.



Born in Phan Rang in the south central coast of Vietnam, Thieu joined the communist-dominated Viet Minh of Ho Chi Minh in 1945 but quit after a year and joined the Vietnamese National Army (VNA) of the French-backed State of Vietnam. He fought rose up the ranks and, in 1954, led a battalion in expelling the communists from his native village. Following the withdrawal of France, the VNA became the ARVN and Thieu was the head of the Vietnamese National Military Academy for four years before becoming a division commander and colonel. In November 1960, he helped put down a coup attempt against President Ngo Dinh Diem. During this time, he also converted to Roman Catholicism and joined the regime's secret Can Lao Party; Diem was thought to give favorable treatment to his co-religionists and Thieu was accused of being one of many who converted for political advancement.


Thiệu and U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson

 

[Anastasius]

I don't think anyone can seriously argue that either Afghanistan or Vietnam were legitimate military losses for the US. Politically, yes, but in terms of military matters, the kill:death ratio of the US versus the Vietnamese and Afghans was ridiculously lopsided even despite the US working around limitations like having to keep two weakening regimes on life support the entire time.

Additionally, the title of the thread is silly because Russia won't fight the US for China. If anything, they'll backstab China the first chance they get.

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

US lost Vietnam war is a common sense in US, I never met any Americans claiming they won the Vietnam war.

US is just like Mongol, even defeated by VN, but they are still big and strong, thats why both US-Mongol don't say they Win the war, but they also don't admit being defeated by small VN.

But US has the same problem with Mongol, they are only good at killing , bullying the others like barbarians while failed to handle the economy bcs they both don't know how to make good and cheap products like VN-CN.

Even when Trump tried very hard to take factories from CN-VN back to US, still no investors, including US investors like Apple, wanna go back US. The Biden's plan to build the best semiconductors/chips plans in US also seem doesn't work well as TSMC founder Chang said"cheap land and electricity" in the US in a recent speech, he also complained: "We had to work very hard to find technicians. and capable workers".

Mark Liu also noted that costs in the US turned out to be "much higher" than TSMC expected.

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