TR Economy & Updates

[Turko]

Listen professor telling Türkiye is currently is 19th economy in the world ( barely- it could happen worse) however Turkeys economy was 12th in the 1960ies...

In 2002, total amount of world's GDP was 30 trillion usd,then in 2018 app 70 trillion usd.
We can't keep up world's growth.

 

[mulj]

Turkey definitely should boost cannabis production in mass scale, and establish factories to produce light narcotics for medications, and boost poppy production to again gain a hold on narcotics for medical uses.

Cannabis is also being legalized in Europe, would be much better for exports if it is legally cropped as narcotics but not for paper-making.

Cannabis is actually least usefull as medicament, its properties are far better as fuel, animal food, construction material, textile, ropes, terpentine substition etc, it is God given plant as black seeds. I think there is great conspiracy behind banning it.

 

[mulj]

Listen professor telling Türkiye is currently is 19th economy in the world ( barely- it could happen worse) however Turkeys economy was 12th in the 1960ies...

In 2002, total amount of world's GDP was 30 trillion usd,then in 2018 app 70 trillion usd.
We can't keep up world's growth.

Yes, meanwhile you had dozen of coups, couple of wars, silemt sanctions, nothing significant accordimg to him or he did not consider it at all. those linear observations are ony usefull as propagamda.

 

[Anmdt]

Cannabis is actually least usefull as medicament, its properties are far better as fuel, animal food, construction material, textile, ropes, terpentine substition etc, it is God given plant as black seeds. I think there is great conspiracy behind banning it.

Which one has more export chances and potential? Cannabis as fiber, or cannabis as marijuana?
Once it is officially cultivated as marijuana, legally exported and illegally distributed in country by some network it will dramatically cut PKK's income which is mainly drugs trafficking across Turkey, will lower prices, will eradicate chemicals which is poisoning the youth, sold by mafia for a few penny.
It is used.
Cannabis is not sold as is in medical uses, but as oil or patches. Used in quite vast treatments not as major medicine but rather supplement.

Medical Marijuana FAQ

Medical Marijuana: Learn how medical marijuana works, where it's legal, what it's used for, and what side effects it might cause.

www.webmd.com

Especially in psychological or psychiatric (of some) disorders, adverse affects of this is remarkably low compared to medicines used in such treatments.
From religious point of view,i don't really differ tobacco and marijuana, even latter is less addictive and banning it lets other and more dangerous chemicals to occupy market.

 

[mulj]

Which one has more export chances and potential? Cannabis as fiber, or cannabis as marijuana?
Once it is officially cultivated as marijuana, legally exported and illegally distributed in country by some network it will dramatically cut PKK's income which is mainly drugs trafficking across Turkey, will lower prices, will eradicate chemicals which is poisoning the youth, sold by mafia for a few penny.
It is used.
Cannabis is not sold as is in medical uses, but as oil or patches. Used in quite vast treatments not as major medicine but rather supplement.

Medical Marijuana FAQ

Medical Marijuana: Learn how medical marijuana works, where it's legal, what it's used for, and what side effects it might cause.

www.webmd.com

Especially in psychological or psychiatric (of some) disorders, adverse affects of this is remarkably low compared to medicines used in such treatments.
From religious point of view,i don't really differ tobacco and marijuana, even latter is less addictive and banning it lets other and more dangerous chemicals to occupy market.

No issues with that, i just wanted to emphasize that the plant is 100% usable, no waste everything cam be turned in some product with superior properties. What is great also about that plant that is very usefull for ecosystem and does not need extemsive and harmfull agricultural measures.
If the toxicomany is issue and concern that could be solved with proper surveilance and sorts that have min thc percent Anyway i woupd legalize it for personal use too if it is upto me, it is less harmfull then alcohol and ciggarettes i dont see any religious issues about it to.

 

[Saithan]

I’d like to point out that there is an old interview with Ecevit where he points at one of the main reasons for sanctions back in 70’s were the kenevir production in Turkey, Cyprus was just an excuse.

 

[the]

In reference to the video above:
Am I not wrong in thinking that he compares the growth of India with Turkey (from 2013) to see how much Turkey would need to grow annually to overtake?

But wouldn't this be irrelevant now? If Turkey really wants to achieve top 10 economies in the world; it would need to overtake Canada/Brazil/Rus which are conflict for 10th place (as of 2020) . So as long the TR economy is growing more than these countries, the goal may be achievable.

 

[Zafer]

Which one has more export chances and potential? Cannabis as fiber, or cannabis as marijuana?
Once it is officially cultivated as marijuana, legally exported and illegally distributed in country by some network it will dramatically cut PKK's income which is mainly drugs trafficking across Turkey, will lower prices, will eradicate chemicals which is poisoning the youth, sold by mafia for a few penny.
It is used.
Cannabis is not sold as is in medical uses, but as oil or patches. Used in quite vast treatments not as major medicine but rather supplement.

Medical Marijuana FAQ

Medical Marijuana: Learn how medical marijuana works, where it's legal, what it's used for, and what side effects it might cause.

www.webmd.com

Especially in psychological or psychiatric (of some) disorders, adverse affects of this is remarkably low compared to medicines used in such treatments.
From religious point of view,i don't really differ tobacco and marijuana, even latter is less addictive and banning it lets other and more dangerous chemicals to occupy market.

Cannabis has many uses but I like it as a house or garden plant too.

 

[the]

GDP Growth Trend in the last 3 years

Canada:

Brazil

Russia

Turkey

As you can see, Turkey is the only country ,out of its current top 10 competitors, that has seen positive growth. And if reforms continue its quite possible that this growth will be greater the more the economy progresses.

 

[what]

To be fair you need to compare Turkey to other emerging markets. Canada is not in the same group, already a developed country. Brazil and Russia are similar, but Russia ofcours is facing sanctions because of Crimea and more. Take a look at Russia when people say that sanctions will be good for Turkey.

 

[what]

German FM announced that any mediation between Turkey and EU has failed and that they are now looking into the consequences. Meaning sanctions from the EU incoming. (Handelsblatt)

But it looks like Germany, Italy, Spain and Malta are still in the same block opposing sanctions for now.

EU countries feel 'numb' about Turkey ahead of critical EU summit

EU member states cannot find a common ground to respond to an escalating situation with Turkey ahead of a crucial summit later this week, EURACTIV has learnt.

www.euractiv.com

 

[Anmdt]

German FM announced that any mediation between Turkey and EU has failed and that they are now looking into the consequences. Meaning sanctions from the EU incoming.

timing is strange indeed, synced with CAATSA? Now that doesn't really seem like a sanction which was really meant to.
Doing nothing against Greek provocation and arming of unarmed islands, is not called "mediation".

 

[Turko]

in 1975 after Cyprus invasion and a load of sanctions Turkey was able to be in 15th place. İn 1960 when so called "Cehape zihniyeti " reigned , Turkey's economy was 13 the in the world.
Türkiye Republic has been always great country although currently 19 the economy in the world.

 

[mulj]

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in 1975 after Cyprus invasion and a load of sanctions Turkey was able to be in 15th place. İn 1960 when so called "Cehape zihniyeti " reigned , Turkey's economy was 13 the in the world.
Türkiye Republic has been always great country although currently 19 the economy in the world.

I would make different approach, how turkey stand in range of 50-100 mil population countries, how it stands within "white" economies, how it stands along muslim countries, what is the percentage of stem people etc. global comparation is like rollercoaster of facts to put it in one firm conclusion.

 

[what]

timing is strange indeed, synced with CAATSA? Now that doesn't really seem like a sanction which was really meant to.

The German block will follow Bidens lead and the others want to sanction Turkey anyway. So one way or the other the country is now facing sanctions from the EU and US.

The government needs to make 1-2 positive or at least not negative moves if it seriously wants to improve ties and avoid sanctions.

 

[Anmdt]

The government needs to make 1-2 positive

What to do when Greeks are abusing any kind of positive move with some provocative counter-actions? When seismic research ship was called back, their officials kind of went " Turkey is scared of us" and talked such in interviews, when military ships were called back they have immediately conducted exercises in the same areas.
They go nuts Turkey declares military exercise in EEZ claimed by them calling it provocative, while a few months ago they conducted military exercises in areas claimed by Turkey which is not called such by EU.
For a negotiation or mediation EU should stop being biased for their own gain. They claim themselves to be fair and lawful, thus they should act such.
The matter is not something which can not be resolved but when EU pushes Greek claims and forcing that to be accepted, what else to be done? They are not seeking for a mid-way solution they are pushing for a deal in favor of Greece which Meis island gets an EEZ along with all small-mid sized islands.

 

[what]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335855564765745153

And another indicator that the government is anticipating the worst, there seems to be willingness to talk to Israel about the EEZ. A positive sign but I dont know if Israel is interested in talking EEZ when they already got a good deal with Southern Cyprus.


Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel - all of these moves because of incoming Biden

 

[what]

What to do when Greeks are abusing any kind of positive move with some provocative counter-actions? When seismic research ship was called back, their officials kind of went " Turkey is scared of us" and talked such in interviews, when military ships were called back they have immediately conducted exercises in the same areas.
They go nuts Turkey declares military exercise in EEZ claimed by them calling it provocative, while a few months ago they conducted military exercises in areas claimed by Turkey which is not called such by EU.
For a negotiation or mediation EU should stop being biased for their own gain. They claim themselves to be fair and lawful, thus they should act such.

The EU is biased because Greece and Southern Cyprus are EU members, don't expect them to be neutral. Germany is pulling all its weight and expected the government to show some goodwill. Not giving up anything. But still the majority of the EU is on Greece side.

Whether we like it our not the EU block is buying 50% of our exports.

 

[mulj]

what would be Turkey counter measure both in political and economy means if EU impose sanctions?

 

[what]

What can Turkey do without hurting its own economy? This is not a fight on eye level, as I said EU represents 50% of our trade, they do have more power over us than we do over the block of around 300m people.

Refugee deal comes to mind but the borders are closed and locked. Frontex is helping on the sea and the land border is pretty walled off by now too. Best move would be to let diplomacy commence and find a deal for the EEZ in international courts or with mediation.

Even only agreeing to talks with an open end would probably stop the sanctions in its tracks for the time being.

With the Americans CAATSA is coming, there's not stopping. Whether Trump will select a couple soft sanctions or Biden with harder ones that only time can show us.