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This system is not possible for Turkey because all necessary institutions to regulate, balance and protect it is not in place. Also the Central Bank is very important in this case. Especially the head, and since RTE seems fond of forcing his vision on everyone, no trust in the CB.

Realkredit has existed for over 100 years or so in Denmark.
well, things like that should be matter of national consensus, along the jobs, health care, housing is most important thing for long term population satisfaction, hope that some steps in that direction could be made, it is really sad that every aspect of life and economy is under usual political influence.
 

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that is like islamic banking in principal, interest rates based economy will destroy everything eventually. i did not now that, one more proof thad danish people are quite smart and responsible towards their population.

Islamic banking can be a solution too bad the modern economy is run on interest.

No matter how bad interest is the modern economy is ran on it you cant escape it.
 

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Islamic banking can be a solution too bad the modern economy is run on interest.

No matter how bad interest is the modern economy is ran on it you cant escape it.
yes bro, but you need to be rather well educated and dedicated to escape traps of it on individual level, common men are not and they suffer because of system.
 

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well, things like that should be matter of national consensus, along the jobs, health care, housing is most important thing for long term population satisfaction, hope that some steps in that direction could be made, it is really sad that every aspect of life and economy is under usual political influence.

Islamic banking can be a solution too bad the modern economy is run on interest.

No matter how bad interest is the modern economy is ran on it you cant escape it.

I've said it before, if you want to have 0 interest rate, then you can not run your nations public spendings on borrowed money, at least not from foreign investors. Your public spending can not exceed your budget, in fact you need to have a budget surplus every year that you can use to invest and rack up some investment into foreign debt that will yield return.

Turkey will need 1,5 times equivalent in valuables (Gold, USD, EURO etc.) of their GDP (at least 1,5 Trillion USD worth), and never spend it.

Then you can have your 0 interest rate.

Also like the recent case with property scandal at IBB you can not decide t buy a property and some smart ass buys it and sells it to you to bloated up value (11 mio to 47 mio is too much). If the responsible twats at that time still went ahead and bought it then they have failed in being responsible. No fucktard would spend their own money buying something that quadrupled in price over 4 days.
 

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I've said it before, if you want to have 0 interest rate, then you can not run your nations public spendings on borrowed money, at least not from foreign investors. Your public spending can not exceed your budget, in fact you need to have a budget surplus every year that you can use to invest and rack up some investment into foreign debt that will yield return.

Turkey will need 1,5 times equivalent in valuables (Gold, USD, EURO etc.) of their GDP (at least 1,5 Trillion USD worth), and never spend it.

Then you can have your 0 interest rate.
let me clarify, terminology might cause confusion, when you say interest rate i mean profit margin for service and that is set up once and determined on value of the property with some fluctuations and force the majeure already calculated, that is basically reversed positioned financing system wiht intention to prevent greed and speculations, i am not delusional that can be implemented in whole under current conditions but for some crucial aspects of life like housing for example some state fonds could be founded and supported.
 

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I've said it before, if you want to have 0 interest rate, then you can not run your nations public spendings on borrowed money, at least not from foreign investors. Your public spending can not exceed your budget, in fact you need to have a budget surplus every year that you can use to invest and rack up some investment into foreign debt that will yield return.

Turkey will need 1,5 times equivalent in valuables (Gold, USD, EURO etc.) of their GDP (at least 1,5 Trillion USD worth), and never spend it.

Then you can have your 0 interest rate.

Also like the recent case with property scandal at IBB you can not decide t buy a property and some smart ass buys it and sells it to you to bloated up value (11 mio to 47 mio is too much). If the responsible twats at that time still went ahead and bought it then they have failed in being responsible. No fucktard would spend their own money buying something that quadrupled in price over 4 days.

Learning something new everyday.
 
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Murabaha ( installment sale) is legalized RİBA / interest rates:) this is the way how to deceive "Allah"..



By the way so called Islamic banks have assets of 95 % murabaha.


They don't like the other method Mudarabah or "Sharing the profit and loss with venture capital".
Venture capital loans usually occupy 5% of Islamic banking.
Actually there hadn't been any Islamic economics in history, it is fabricated discipline based on western economics .
 
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Islamic Banking:))))

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Murabaha ( installment sale) is legalized RİBA / interest rates:) this is the way how to deceive "Allah"..



By the way so called Islamic banks have assets of 95 % murabaha.


They don't like the other method Mudarabah or "Sharing the profit and loss with venture capital".
Venture capital loans usually occupy 5% of Islamic banking.
Actually there hadn't been any Islamic economics in history, it is fabricated discipline based on western economics .
There is actually a reason for why they do it like that. You see if you take a bank loan at fixed interest there are still some parameters that can change, like the cost of administration and such. which means the final price will change, even slightly.

The realkredit system is like that too, but the rules governing realkredit have set a maximum amount of fluctuations which means that administration costs for 30 year loan on fixed bonds can not exceed (let's just say) 1,8%.

So if the interest on market is 1,1% and you pay 1,8% in administrative fees, then you pay in total 2,9% on your debt. over 30 years, that would make 58.000 DKK (we assume you loan 2 mio. dkk. Since it's fixed and you pay of your debt monthly the next 30 years you pay 2.058.000.

I did not factor in the exchange value of the bond, so we assumed it was 100 in the above example. But a 30 year bond would normally have an exchange value below 90, so in reality a guy who lends you money and who will get it back in 30 years would estimate it's value to be around 90 out of 100. if Someone would be interested in it. And on it goes like this.

It's pretty simple to understand once you've worked with it, and makes sense, but much harder to grasp if you're not used to it.
 

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It matters because of putting values in proper frames. I asked simple question.
And as i said it got expensive before the devaluation of recent years started, whats you point in opposing everything that i say in this forum? Come up real arguments and we can have a friendly exchange but it is simply annoying of you if you keep insist on your opinion.
 

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Surge in European house prices stokes concerns over market resilience​

NOVEMBER 6 2020

The housing market acts as the canary in a coal mine — prices tend to fall as a wider economic downturn looms. But this year, with a deep global recession caused by the coronavirus pandemic, property valuations have kept on rising in many countries. House price growth has accelerated to an annual pace of almost 4 per cent among the OECD club of rich countries this year, with even faster rises in Europe and the US. Some financiers, however, wonder if it is only a question of time before the economic fallout from the pandemic catches up with Europe’s soaring housing market, especially after many countries reimposed lockdowns to combat a fresh wave of infections. “The pandemic is not good news or helpful in any way for the housing market,” said Matthias Holzhey, a UBS economist and co-author of its annual global real estate bubble index, which compares house prices in 25 of the world’s biggest cities. “It is clear that the economic recovery is still not happening, wealth is down, and rents are falling in most cities, so your alternative to buying a house is getting cheaper,” said Mr Holzhey. “The fundamentals just do not point to an ongoing housing boom.”

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Yet all the signs are that this is exactly what is happening. While the world suffered its deepest postwar recession between the first and second quarters, house prices in the richest countries not only kept rising but accelerated, according to OECD figures. Data is more patchy for the third quarter, but it mostly points to further increases. Underpinning the resilience of housing markets are the vast stimulus packages from governments and central banks that have supported struggling companies, allowed many workers to keep earning and — crucially — kept borrowing costs near record lows. In the US, falling mortgage rates and higher state benefits combined to shield the housing market from the pandemic as prices rose by an annual rate of almost 5 per cent in the second quarter. There were even sharper price rises in much of Europe, notably Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal and Poland. Prices in Russia have soared 15 per cent, fuelled by state subsidies.

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As housing costs keep climbing, the pandemic is prompting some people to abandon expensive city locations in search of more space. In the UK, prices of detached houses rose at double the rate of apartments between March and September, according to Halifax. In France, Grégoire Kiss, a 42-year-old IT manager, and his wife Blandine recently left the rented Paris apartment where they lived with their two children to buy a farmhouse on the Normandy coast. “For us the trigger came when we exited lockdown,” said Mr Kiss. “One of the positive effects of this crisis has been employers making working from home easier.” Such newly mobile workers leaving Paris may have contributed to a rare monthly drop in house prices in the city, which fell 0.5 per cent in September, though they are still up more than 2 per cent this year, having risen over a third in five years, according to research by Meilleurs Agents. “We noticed the rush in the early days of the lockdown, as 20 per cent of Parisians went to work remotely in the countryside,” said Pierre Madec, economist at the OFCE think-tank in Paris. “That begs the question: are we ready to lose 20 per cent of Paris’s population?”

Soaring property prices are also causing concern in Germany, where the central bank said in a recent report that apartments in the country’s biggest cities were 30 per cent overvalued compared with the long-term ratio of prices to rents — although it added that this reflected rising land prices rather than any “destabilising, speculative demand motives”. The volume of land sold each year in larger cities has fallen by a third since 2012 while prices have more than doubled, according to the German construction industry association. The number of new apartments built in the country last year rose 2 per cent to 293,000 — but that remained below the 400,000 a year needed to meet demand. Eyebrows were raised in Munich by last month’s €8m sale of a 300 sq m apartment, which set a new record for the city. The share prices of German property developers Deutsche Wohnen and Vonovia both recently hit new 12-year highs. With Germans agreeing 10-year mortgages at rates as low as 0.6 per cent and some banks offering to lend 100 per cent of the purchase price, it is easy to understand what is fuelling the market. “We don’t expect the German housing market to come down any time soon,” said Jochen Möbert, a real estate analyst at Deutsche Bank. “Yes, there are risks ahead. But we are seeing an influx of capital as investment funds reallocate money from financial markets to the housing market.”

One worrying sign for Europe’s housing market is that banks are starting to rein in their mortgage lending, fretting about “risk perceptions related to the general economic outlook”, according to the European Central Bank’s latest quarterly survey of lenders. Pernille Henneberg, economist at Citigroup, said in a recent report that a “lack of appetite for lending or tighter credit standards, due to worries about borrowers’ creditworthiness, may challenge the degree to which the monetary easing affects the real economy”. Similar concerns are regularly expressed by Andrea Enria, ECB head of supervision, who this week repeated his warning that the pandemic could leave eurozone lenders with an extra €1.4tn of bad loans — well above the levels of the region’s 2012 debt crisis. If this worst-case scenario happens, analysts predict it could trigger a sudden tightening of the ultra-loose mortgage market, dragging down house prices. “The eurozone is the biggest risk area,” said Mr Holzhey at UBS, adding that he was telling clients “it is time to sell out of property”.


UK house prices rise at fastest rate since 2014 (this news came out yesterday)

UK house prices have risen by their fastest annual rate in seven years, driven by demand for bigger homes outside the city and a temporary stamp duty holiday, according to the Nationwide Building Society. The UK Nationwide house price index rose 1.8 per cent in May compared with the previous month, bringing the average house price to a record £243,000, up £24,000 over the past 12 months. The average house price accelerated by 10.9 per cent compared with May last year, up from 7.1 per cent the previous month, its fastest pace since August 2014. “Records are melting in the white heat of the property market’s boom,” said Jonathan Hopper, chief executive of Garrington Property Finders, an estate agents, adding that agents based in desirable rural and coastal areas have been “deluged with inquiries and prices are spiking”.

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The growth is partly a result of the housing tax break, introduced in July 2020 to kickstart the housing market after a collapse in home sales at the start of the coronavirus pandemic. The policy exempts the first £500,000 of any property purchase in England or Northern Ireland from stamp duty land tax, in place until the end of June. A £250,000 tax-free limit will continue to the end of September. The rise surpassed forecasts by a Reuters’ poll of economists, which predicted a 0.8 per cent monthly increase and 9.2 per cent annual growth. Robert Gardner, Nationwide’s chief economist, said people moving to larger properties as they spend more time working from home also contributed to the surge in house prices. “It is shifting housing preferences, which is continuing to drive activity, with people reassessing their needs in the wake of the pandemic,” he said. Nationwide reported that a third of those moving or considering a move were look at different areas, with nearly 30 per cent wanting to access a garden or outdoor space more easily. Lucy Pendleton, property expert at independent estate agents James Pendleton, said families “are still feeling the pinch of snug properties”. “This is where the growth is coming from and there are still hordes of people chasing the dream of a big move this summer,” she added.

Gardner expects the housing market’s near-term outlook to be “buoyant” supported by the tax break, a low supply of housing stock and continued government income support. Low borrowing costs have improved affordability despite surging prices. Data from the Bank of England showed that in March rates on newly drawn mortgages were only marginally up from a record low reached in August 2020. Mark Harris, chief executive of mortgage broker SPF Private Clients, reported that mortgage lender Platform is launching the cheapest ever two-year fixed rate this week at 0.95 per cent. “Rates this low will continue to support the market, while the increased availability of low deposit mortgages will assist first-time buyers who are finding rising house prices increasingly difficult to deal with,” he said.

Is there an increase in the housing market globally? Yes there is absolutely. Even if someone ignores it. Even if someone thinks house prices are only going up in Turkey.
Yep, thats what im saying, but our friend insists that it went up everywhere except in Turkey, that kind of fanaticism is just ridiculous.
 
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Yep, thats what im saying, but our friend insists that it went up everywhere except in Turkey, that kind of fanaticism is just ridiculous.
I already retracted my opinion in reply to the niligri but somehow you oversaw that, anyway i will try not to initiate convo with you as you find it personal which is far from truth and asking for friendly discussion in your previous post and after thay you write something like this, simply does not go that way for me.
 

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Murabaha ( installment sale) is legalized RİBA / interest rates:) this is the way how to deceive "Allah"..



By the way so called Islamic banks have assets of 95 % murabaha.


They don't like the other method Mudarabah or "Sharing the profit and loss with venture capital".
Venture capital loans usually occupy 5% of Islamic banking.
Actually there hadn't been any Islamic economics in history, it is fabricated discipline based on western economics .

I studied history especially the Islamic World and its economics. Islamic World for centuries had its own economic system along with its own taxation system.

You dont know shit.


Hurr durr Muslims dont know economy but for some reason Ronald Reagan references Ibn Khaldun.

Islamic World switch to a western based economy due to westernisation or modernisation. Some over time embraced socialist and communist practices.
 
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I am now believing that they are doing this on purpose. There is no other explanation.
Even I believe so,
I always wonder, certainly, the AKP isnt stupid enough to know that the ppl are pissed from the high devalued lira; then why tf are they doing this
The fact is during the last year, when the lira reached 8.50 for the first time; RTE immediately said they will swallow tough pills and return to orthodoxy and it eventually bore fruit. Then why the hell are they doing this even at the cost of ppl satisfaction
Like what is going on in their heads that is what iam interested in
 
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Islamic World is littered with poverty because we abandoned the concept of a welfare state.

Only Pakistan seems to be the only Muslim country that wants to bring it back.
 

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Islamic World is littered with poverty because we abandoned the concept of a welfare state.

Only Pakistan seems to be the only Muslim country that wants to bring it back.
How are you going to be bring back something if you try to make use of a different system at the same time ?

I know the government tried to certify some banks as "Islamic banking practice", but if the government interferes with how the system is run afterwards because they lack funding for their own grand constructions projects etc. etc. isn't it counter productive ?

Banking regardless of which you pick and choose should be run with an eye for profit. This profit doesn't have to be 5-15%, If the concept is "I give you money worth 100kg gold, you return to me 105kg gold" then that imo is fair enough.

If government forces you to give the loan in TL and fuck the economy so TL loses 400% value, then that is not viable or profitable for anyone. Our problem is not so much the islamic banking or not. It's the unreliability of the Government.

I've been there almost every summer since birth and I remember how it was from the 90's onwards. If you haven't been to Turkey. I suggest you do whatever it takes to visit Turkey now as a point of reference for the future.
 

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I think this idea has merit. Reduce export of raw material and shift towards semi-products or even products. I'll cross fingers for this to work. I hope limit on food products will be introduced as well. Except conservated stuff in can etc.
 

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