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Topography ≠ arable land

Plus, it's not like that Turkey is a big, fat zero when it comes to agriculture.

"In 18 years, our agricultural exports increased from $3.7 billion to $18 billion. Turkey has been exporting 1,827 kinds of agricultural products to 193 countries."

We're just angry about the fact that we still haven't reached our full potential. Having said that, I see some major shifts in our agricultural industry since the TRY went down badly. Let's see if these changes are lasting.
We lost the point on one single citizen. He needs a job first. This job should be well paid. The products and services he needs daily should be affordable. His children should have the possibility of a good occupational training. Something like that.
In the best way, most have houses of his own.
 

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Fitch raised its growth expectation for Turkey this year from 6.3 percent to 7.9 percent


Fitch Ratings raised its growth expectation for Turkey this year from 6.3 percent to 7.9 percent due to the high base effect and the ongoing recovery in economic activities.​

Dilara Zengin|14.08.2021

Fitch raised its growth expectation for Turkey this year from 6.3 percent to 7.9 percent


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International credit rating agency Fitch Ratings maintained Turkey's credit rating as "BB-" and its outlook as "stable".
In the statement made by Fitch, it was noted that Turkey's credit rating and outlook were confirmed. In the statement, it was stated that Turkey's long-term foreign currency issuer default rating was confirmed as "BB-" and the outlook as "stable". In the statement, which stated that policy uncertainty remains high in Turkey, it was noted that inflation is expected to decline to 16.9 percent at the end of 2021 due to the positive base effect and slowing domestic demand.
In the statement, it was stated that the average annual inflation is expected to be 14.6 percent for next year and 11.8 percent for 2023.

In Fitch's statement, it was reported that this year's growth expectation for Turkey was increased from 6.3 percent to 7.9 percent due to the strong performance especially in the first quarter of the year, due to the high turnover effect and the ongoing resistance in economic activity.
Pointing out that the slowdown in domestic demand in the second half of this year will be balanced by the strong export and the recovery in the tourism sector, it was stated that the country's economy is expected to grow by 3.5 percent in 2022.

In the statement, it was stated that the current account deficit narrowed and it was recorded that the current account deficit will decrease to 3 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) in 2021 with the improvement in tourism revenues in the second half of this year.



AA obviously Cut the FITCH Rating short but the Report is very Detailed.


Turkey's ratings reflect weak monetary policy credibility, high inflation, low external liquidity in the context of high financing requirements and geopolitical risks. These credit weaknesses are set against low government deficits and debt and stronger growth performance and structural indicators, such as GDP per capita and Human Development, relative to rating peers.

The Stable Outlook balances elevated policy uncertainty due to rising inflation, lack of central bank independence and the potential for de-stabilising stimulus ahead general elections due by 2023 against an easing of near-term external financing pressures due to a narrowing current account deficit, moderately higher international reserves, and banks and corporates' uninterrupted access to sufficient external finance to roll-over large debt payments.

Policy uncertainty increased in March and remains high after the abrupt dismissal of the central bank governor, the third since July 2019, leading to sharp lira depreciation, portfolio outflows and tighter financing conditions. The central bank's new management has kept its policy rate steady at 19% since March and maintained its predecessor's commitment to a flexible exchange rate and the use of the one-week repo rate as its main policy instrument, preserving improvements in terms of transparency. Credit and fiscal policies also remain aligned with the objective to reduce inflation.

In Fitch's view, political considerations limit the ability of the central bank to raise its policy rate despite rising inflation (18.95% yoy in July). Weak monetary policy credibility is reflected in a record of delayed response to mounting macroeconomic pressures or premature policy easing, and inflation remaining significantly above the 5% official target over an extended period.


Fitch Ratings - London - 13 Aug 2021: Fitch Ratings has affirmed Turkey's Long-Term Foreign-Currency Issuer Default Rating (IDR) at 'BB-' with a Stable Outlook.

A full list of rating actions is at the end of this rating action commentary.

KEY RATING DRIVERS​


Turkey's ratings reflect weak monetary policy credibility, high inflation, low external liquidity in the context of high financing requirements and geopolitical risks. These credit weaknesses are set against low government deficits and debt and stronger growth performance and structural indicators, such as GDP per capita and Human Development, relative to rating peers.

The Stable Outlook balances elevated policy uncertainty due to rising inflation, lack of central bank independence and the potential for de-stabilising stimulus ahead general elections due by 2023 against an easing of near-term external financing pressures due to a narrowing current account deficit, moderately higher international reserves, and banks and corporates' uninterrupted access to sufficient external finance to roll-over large debt payments.

Policy uncertainty increased in March and remains high after the abrupt dismissal of the central bank governor, the third since July 2019, leading to sharp lira depreciation, portfolio outflows and tighter financing conditions. The central bank's new management has kept its policy rate steady at 19% since March and maintained its predecessor's commitment to a flexible exchange rate and the use of the one-week repo rate as its main policy instrument, preserving improvements in terms of transparency. Credit and fiscal policies also remain aligned with the objective to reduce inflation.

In Fitch's view, political considerations limit the ability of the central bank to raise its policy rate despite rising inflation (18.95% yoy in July). Weak monetary policy credibility is reflected in a record of delayed response to mounting macroeconomic pressures or premature policy easing, and inflation remaining significantly above the 5% official target over an extended period.

We expect inflation to ease to a still high 16.9% by end-2021, due to a favourable base effect and slowing domestic demand. The latter will be partly due to a marked slowdown in credit growth due to tighter financial conditions, the phasing out of 2020 credit stimulus and the introduction of macroprudential measures targeting retail loan growth. The potential for additional depreciation pressures, further deterioration in inflation expectations and indexation mechanisms such as wage agreements increase inflationary risks. We forecast inflation to average 14.6% and 11.8% in 2022-2023, remaining multiples above the forecast 3.4% 'BB' median.

We have revised up our growth forecast up to 7.9% in 2021, from 6.3% in June, due to high carryover effect (especially after a strong performance in 1Q21) and continued resilience in economic activity. Slowing of domestic demand in 2H21 will be cushioned by strong export growth and a recovery in the tourism sector. We forecast growth to slow to 3.5% in 2022, based on our expectation that Turkey's policy mix, especially monetary policy, avoids exacerbating macroeconomic imbalances.

The current account deficit has narrowed, as rapid export growth and a decline in gold imports have mitigated the impact of rising commodity prices, including energy imports. The full year current account deficit will decline to 3% of GDP in 2021, from 5.2% in 2020, as tourism export receipts improve yoy in 2H21. Under our baseline policy assumption and recovering tourism revenues, we expect the current account deficit to average 2.3% in 2022-2023, similar to the forecast 'BB' median.

International reserves have recovered due to strong export revenues, including export rediscounts, net external borrowing and the increase of the FX swap with China, after a decline in April-May. Reserves will receive a further boost from the special drawing rights allocation equivalent to USD6.4 billion and the recently announced FX swap with South Korea. We forecast reserves to reach USD109 billion at end-2021, but decline in 2022-2023 to USD100 billion given continued current account deficits and high financial dollarisation, and the limited upside for portfolio inflows, in our view.

General government debt will remain broadly stable at 39.7% of GDP in 2021, significantly below the forecast 59% 'BB' median. Currency risk has increased (57% of central government debt was foreign currency linked or denominated at May-2021, up from 39% in 2017). The objective of improving domestic debt composition in terms of costs, duration and currency remains dependent on reduced policy uncertainty and stronger investor confidence.

Nevertheless, the banking sector remains vulnerable to exchange-rate volatility due to the impact on capitalisation, asset quality, refinancing risk (given short-term foreign-currency financing) and high deposit dollarisation (56% including precious metals). The banking sector has increased its exposure to the sovereign both through government debt holdings (70% of domestic debt in May) and FX swaps with the central bank.

Geopolitical risks will remain elevated, but existing sanctions have so far had a limited impact on the economy. In addition to the S-400 issue and US cooperation with Kurdish forces in Syria, the relationship with the US has several potential flash points. Recent developments related to Cyprus could reignite tensions with the EU, and operations in northern Syria, Libya, and support for Azerbaijan in the conflict with Armenia could represent additional sources of tension with Russia.

General elections are scheduled for 2023 and the political calendar will have an impact on policy direction and expectations of economic actors, in Fitch's view. Given the weakened credibility and policy buffers, the potential size of economic stimulus may have to balance the expected economic and political benefits against the risk of reigniting macroeconomic instability, which seems to have hurt the government's support in 2020. Ongoing judicial proceedings against opposition parties and possible presidential candidates, potentially preventing them from participating in the election, could increase political uncertainty.

Interesting. 1 Month later and the GDP forecast has increased to 9.2%

 

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Interesting. 1 Month later and the GDP forecast has increased to 9.2%

Expected tbh!
According to reports, turkish exports have surpassed their previous 2023 target and is Rumored to may be able to surpass the new export figure for 2021

Is it just me or is the Turkish government trying to follow in the footsteps of China.
According to rumors, With the lira being weak, Turkish products are starting to take market shares from countries like Egypt, EU, USA, and even Canada. As they are cheap yet the same high quality stuff
If such rumors are true then it may be really good news for Turkey
In fact, this might motivate Investors to invest more in Turkey
 

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Expected tbh!
According to reports, turkish exports have surpassed their previous 2023 target and is Rumored to may be able to surpass the new export figure for 2021

Is it just me or is the Turkish government trying to follow in the footsteps of China.
According to rumors, With the lira being weak, Turkish products are starting to take market shares from countries like Egypt, EU, USA, and even Canada. As they are cheap yet the same high quality stuff
If such rumors are true then it may be really good news for Turkey
In fact, this might motivate Investors to invest more in Turkey
Hopefully export growth continues to happen. But its a double-edged sword.

On the one hand, a weak lira means that the demand for exports increase and imports decrease (Leading to a higher nominal GDP). However, that also means a lower quality of life for citizens in Turkey, who already have to deal with immense rent costs, food costs etc.

Turkey needs a somewhat low but stable exchange rate, so people and businesses can adapt.

Ultimately though, if you want to win the election, you have to think about what the citizens want. These requests juxtapose export-led growth.
 

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We literally just talked about this stuff a page or two before..... sigh....nvm.

I think I should keep some of my posts to 1 - 2 lines from now on.
 

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Expected tbh!
According to reports, turkish exports have surpassed their previous 2023 target and is Rumored to may be able to surpass the new export figure for 2021

Is it just me or is the Turkish government trying to follow in the footsteps of China.
According to rumors, With the lira being weak, Turkish products are starting to take market shares from countries like Egypt, EU, USA, and even Canada. As they are cheap yet the same high quality stuff
If such rumors are true then it may be really good news for Turkey
In fact, this might motivate Investors to invest more in Turkey
The current increase in export is not connected to a governmental policy change. It's rather the outcome of a major strategy shift that has occurred in many managements across Turkey as a result of the devastating crash of the Turkish economy.

This experience has led to many businesses founding export departments for the first time in their history in hopes of compensating the losses at home.

I've relatives and close friends who work in trading companies in Germany. They import products from Turkey on a regular basis.

There was a time when Turkish carriers had to return to Turkey without cargo (!) because the exports skyrocketed while the imports collapsed shortly after the Turkish devaluation.
 

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All the „record“ chatting is to fool the people and hype the AKP. We need jobs and good working conditions.
 

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Central Bank raises rediscount loan limit for export, forex earning services​

ANKARA​

Central Bank raises rediscount loan limit for export, forex earning services

The Turkish Central Bank on Sept. 17 changed the conditions for utilization and repayment of rediscount credits for export and foreign exchange earning services.

According to a statement by the bank, the total rediscount credit limit has been increased to $30 billion.

"Of this limit, $20 billion is allocated to the credits to be extended via the Export Credit Bank of Turkey (Turk Eximbank), and $10 billion is allocated to the credits to be extended via other banks," the statement said.

The Turkish lira equivalent of $5 billion of the aforementioned total limit can also be used for rediscount credits in Turkish lira, it added.

Loans will be extended to net exporter firms with an export amount that is at least 10% more than their import amount in the last three years or the last year and they can only be used for payments of the specified expenditures in Turkish lira.

Credit repayments will be made only with export proceeds.

The maximum maturity of credits has been updated to 180 days from 240 days, the bank said, adding for credits that are extended to finance exports to new markets, exports of high technology products, and foreign exchange earning services, the maximum maturity will remain as 360 days.

The changes will become effective from Oct. 1, 2021.

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It would seem that the government is trying to pull a China. It's a sound strategy, but for the consequences for the common worker. Since government has refugees to feed into the machinery I assume they don't give a rats ass.
 

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From FT article:

Kavcioglu, a former newspaper columnist, shares Erdogan’s unorthodox theory that high borrowing costs fuel inflation. He had repeatedly promised to keep benchmark rates higher than inflation, so investors can earn a premium on lira-denominated assets. The currency has steadied over the summer as foreign investors began to dip back into the government’s lira-denominated bonds.

But Erdogan made clear he wanted a reduction by September, arguing lower rates would rein in galloping prices. Kavcigolu signalled this month that a cut could come after he shifted the bank’s focus when setting rates to the lower core inflation figure, which does not include food and energy prices.

“This is a crazy move, a ridiculous move,” said Tim Ash, an emerging markets strategist at BlueBay Asset Management. “Inflation is high and rising so there’s no justification for this except politics. Erdogan’s gambling with the lira because he’s losing popularity and is desperate to get the economy moving. This isn’t a proper central bank, it’s Erdogan’s fiefdom.”


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This is a criminal move to Turkey's wage earning masses. They must hold these patricians to account or be doomed.
 

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It would seem that the government is trying to pull a China. It's a sound strategy, but for the consequences for the common worker.

It is not a sound strategy at all. Doubly more so with this I/R decrease just done. I'll tell you what it really is a bit later.
 

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Central bank has lowered the interest rate. Mind-blowing stuff.


Lowering the interest rate is a good idea if we have stable and relatively strong currency. Actually all Central Bank lower the interest rate, including Indonesia, in order to stimulate the economy and lower the burden of businesses during this Pandemic situation

I dont know why Turkish currency is still weak that make them cannot implement this policy without getting negative effect from currency market. Trade deficit is one of the reason of weaker currency but countries like Bangladesh which has quite big trade deficit still has stable currency until Today. It could relate to much less exposure to foreign investor on BD stock market.

I also know Turkey has high inflation currently and this then relate to foreign investor and currency market. Currency with higher rate of inflation must be backed by high interest rate since the value is less than currency with low inflation rate, thus decreasing the interest rate will also make people and businesses which hold Lira to sell it and buy USD

To make Turkish economy stable then dont ever tried to go against the financial market like what happened previously. Currency depreciation can lead into higher burden to the business sector who has foreign debt ( which include foreign denominated bonds ), foreign investors in Turkish stock market would also sell their investment in Turkey to avoid further loss, and this can give second blow for the currency.

If the depreciation is too extreme, it can create a catastrophic damage on the economy like what was happening in Indonesia during Asian Financial Crisis
 
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Considering that Turkey's population is at 1.08% of the world population our fair share of exports should be at $228bn. Almost there. However we have potential to make more than the average export performance as Turkey is location in the center of mass of all land in the world with transportation capabilities far better than most other countries. Our export numbers can go as high as $400bn unless we make a breakthrough in some technology area that serves every individual in the world.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting approach to Turkey’s Central Bank rate cut here. IIF says it is good for Turkey to make cuts since Lira is overvalued<br><br>Devaluated Lira always helps the exports but also increases the cost for the imports. And huge impact on the inflation, which is already high <a href="https://t.co/fOu4xN45uf">https://t.co/fOu4xN45uf</a></p>&mdash; Ragıp Soylu (@ragipsoylu) <a href=" ">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In recent years, Turkey has become the export champion in EM, with export volumes doing far better than elsewhere (lhs, red). Devaluation is seen as bad, but strong exports are partly due to the large real devaluation of the Lira, which is helping rebalance Turkey&#39;s economy... <a href="https://t.co/Pd9OfRGWNy">pic.twitter.com/Pd9OfRGWNy</a></p>&mdash; Robin Brooks (@RobinBrooksIIF) <a href=" ">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Apparently, Robin brooks believe that the fair value of the lira is at 9.5 just like the government wanted
Still dont think it is that good IMO
 

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The main issue is the policy should be really made by the Economist, Erdogan should understand that his understanding on economy is not as good as Turkish professional economist. From what I understand Erdogan only has real sector understanding and his understanding on financial sector and monetary policy is so limited. Indonesia economic crisis started from the financial sector that later effect the real sector so badly.

Private sectors should also be asked and there should be discussion with Turkish business association whether they can really bear Lira devaluation policy ?

This I bring Indonesian Data on Interest Rate policy and real Inflation

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting approach to Turkey’s Central Bank rate cut here. IIF says it is good for Turkey to make cuts since Lira is overvalued<br><br>Devaluated Lira always helps the exports but also increases the cost for the imports. And huge impact on the inflation, which is already high <a href="https://t.co/fOu4xN45uf">https://t.co/fOu4xN45uf</a></p>&mdash; Ragıp Soylu (@ragipsoylu) <a href=" ">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In recent years, Turkey has become the export champion in EM, with export volumes doing far better than elsewhere (lhs, red). Devaluation is seen as bad, but strong exports are partly due to the large real devaluation of the Lira, which is helping rebalance Turkey&#39;s economy... <a href="https://t.co/Pd9OfRGWNy">pic.twitter.com/Pd9OfRGWNy</a></p>&mdash; Robin Brooks (@RobinBrooksIIF) <a href=" ">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Apparently, Robin brooks believe that the fair value of the lira is at 9.5 just like the government wanted
Still dont think it is that good IMO

That's only one vs. the majority of analysts advising against it.
 

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That's only one vs. the majority of analysts advising against it.
Iam not in favour of a low lira
Iam just sharing a perspective that is all
However, most of the time, Robert brooks used to be really pin point on the fair value of the lira
 
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Electricity bills came in this month at almost double the price of the previous month.
Buttttt it's not end!!!
30 percent hike in electricity is at the door!!
Economy is great.

Notice that this year natural gas prices has been doubled in global market.
Don't forget your citizens will have to pay the bills in dollar currency.

Engineers in factories work for 350EUT.
Currently Minumum wage is 260EUR if you could find a job!

Thanks to foreigners you can't find a flat to rent. Rental prices also skyrocketed.

Let them survive with those salaries and economy.


Regarding Turkish export : our exports are not high value added. İn order to export , we have to import raw materials and energy. So your independency to USD is anourmous.
Don't confuse our export with EU countries which is high value added.

Hammallık yaptırıyorlar onu bile yapmak için yurtdışı krediye dolara ihtiyaç var.
 
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