TR Economy & Updates

[Scott Summers]

Imagine, tiny Netherlands had in 2023 a export of 667 billion.

Our export should hit skyrockets with our geographic position.

 

[Huelague]

Imagine, tiny Netherlands had in 2023 a export of 667 billion.

Our export should hit skyrockets with our geographic position.

Imagine that 85mio population, too. At least $ 1 trillion is what we should expect.

 

[Saithan]

Do you guys know how industrialized Netherlands is, have you seen how they do farming, and then take a look at Türkiye.

If every Village had a farming machinery building with Tractors, harvesters etc. and even professionals to support farmers, conduct soiltest etc. including making worm fertilizers to support farmers then we might be able to make more progress, but it is everyman for himself, and only people with good neighborhood relations that help each other, if at all.

Inside the Agriculture in Turkey – Agrowell

Turkey's economy has been developing at a rapid pace for several decades. Numerous sectors of the Turkish economy have seen substantial shifts.

agrowell.com.tr

Türkiye’s progress in sustainable agriculture

Türkiye's recent economic growth and agricultural sector development have placed considerable pressure on nature. Therefore, sustainable agriculture and organic farming practices have become increasingly crucial. Farmers and consumers alike recognize the benefits of these methods for both nature...

www.agroberichtenbuitenland.nl

 

[Deliorman]

When the Dutch were developing the first stock exchanges and international banks, doing world trade and later were part of the first industrial revolutions... What were we doing in our grand Empire?

The Netherlands in the 1500s had literacy rates that the Ottomans reached in the end of their existence as an Empire. There is nothing more to say.

 

[Agha Sher]

Imagine, tiny Netherlands had in 2023 a export of 667 billion.

Our export should hit skyrockets with our geographic position.

A lot of Netherlands trade is with neighboring countries. UK, Germany, Belgium, France. All major economies. Who do you want Turkiye to trade with? Bulgaria, Greece, Syria, Iraq, Georgia?

 

[Scott Summers]

When the Dutch were developing the first stock exchanges and international banks, doing world trade and later were part of the first industrial revolutions... What were we doing in our grand Empire?

The Netherlands in the 1500s had literacy rates that the Ottomans reached in the end of their existence as an Empire. There is nothing more to say.

I agree. When they invented multinationals as Fokker, Philips and DAF, we were building statues and fighting about headscarfs.

 

[Agha Sher]

I agree. When they invented multinationals as Fokker, Philips and DAF, we were building statues and fighting about headscarfs.

Now they are fighting about headscarfs while Turkiye is founding companies like Baykar, Fergani Space, Delta V etc.

 

[Tornadoss]

I agree. When they invented multinationals as Fokker, Philips and DAF, we were building statues and fighting about headscarfs.

And were Fokker, Philips, DAF invented overnight? How we are investing in education? With more religious schools and courses?

 

[Turkic]

And were Fokker, Philips, DAF invented overnight? How we are investing in education? With more religious schools and courses?

Almost any country in the world has religious schools. People really love to support when a western country do smth but they criticize it when we do the same. Cut it and think healthy please. We have slightly good education system for a 85 million country with a young population. There's nothing to do if there's no good college for who didn't get in top %10 in uni exams. It's people's fault to see it as a problem. Most of the population should be technicians in a country (population excluding service sector). What can I do if every single person tries to get a diploma ? They should get a job, learn it and then get their mastery certificate. It provides more money income than most diplomas. There's no diploma for everyone. We raise top class engineers and the best doctors in the world, no ? So what's the problem ?

 

[Rooxbar]

Globalization and faster spread of technologies makes societies look more similar on the surface than they actually are and this fools people. If we put aside the technological aspect, and look at some social and cultural parameters, no eastern nation has yet reached the level of social dynamism achieved by several west European nations already in late 18th century (except perhaps Japan approaching pre-WWII and since 80s onward).

Interesting thing is none of that dynamism had borne much fruit yet when it comes to military technology and economic productivity, hence seeming to some observers like Ottomans could sometimes hold their own, this leading some to conclude Ottoman decline started only in late 18th century; or based on Avshar Nader's performance against Ottomans to lead some to argue even Afsharid Iran could've held its own against any number of European powers.

And when it comes to economic productivity, some have argued (and this revisionist view is becoming mainstream because of the new cultural relativism fad), as there wasn't much mass production yet and India and China still produced much more and had a more sizeable economies, that western dominance only started in 19th century, hence having to produce "industrial revolution" like a deus ex machina to account for the rapid "out-of-nowhere" overtaking in numbers which occurred.

 

[what]

I agree. When they invented multinationals as Fokker, Philips and DAF, we were building statues and fighting about headscarfs.

Got it. The headscarf discussion is what held back our muftis and tarikats from inventing the next jet fighter.
Go ahead Scott, you can wear your headscarf anywhere now. Go, invent something. /s

While they were teaching their kids and women how to read, we still had illiteracy rates of 90%. Your polemics are dumb and out of place.

 

[Scott Summers]

While they were teaching their kids and women how to read, we still had illiteracy rates of 90%. Your polemics are dumb and out of place.

The rates were 90% because they switched from the Ottoman alphabet to the Latin alphabet. You thought it was easy to change the entire alphabet from a great nation and expect that they could write and read it in a fortnight?

 

[Huelague]

A lot of Netherlands trade is with neighboring countries. UK, Germany, Belgium, France. All major economies. Who do you want Turkiye to trade with? Bulgaria, Greece, Syria, Iraq, Georgia?

Did you know, that (just) North Iraq was our second biggest trading partner, before Arab spring? Without that „US-Spring“, Iraq would surpass Germany as our biggest trading partner!
Did you know, that Ahmedinejad (Iran) and Türkiye reached an agreement to boost our treading volume to $100 billion? Only an update of EU customs union would Türkiye bring additional +2% GDP growth (estimation of OECD)…

 

[Turkic]

The rates were 90% because they switched from the Ottoman alphabet to the Latin alphabet.

True. Illiteracy rate was less than 50% before (10%~50%) (which is far less from most european countries at that time).

Everyone knew how to read the Quran, the Quran is written in Arabic, Ottoman alphabet was Arabic, Ottoman Turkish was being read as written as todays Turkish, so everyone who could read Quran (who is everyone) was able to read and write in Ottoman Turkish too. Otherwise would mean they were not hearing what was coming out from their mouth.

Think it like writing a Turkish word you heard for the first time, it's easy because it's written as it's read right ? It's the same in Ottoman. And I'm saying less than 50% for the last century of the empire. It was way more less than that at the empire's peak.

By the Emperor's order, it was a rule to learn how to read and write in the Ottoman Empire.

 

[dBSPL]

Imagine, tiny Netherlands had in 2023 a export of 667 billion.

Our export should hit skyrockets with our geographic position.

The Netherland is home to numerous global companies in areas like electronics, pharmacology, nuclear industry, optical modules, medical machinery, engine industry, petrochemicals and many more. It is one of the technology-intensive industrial centers of the Atlantic bloc. For example, ASML alone is as strategically important as the Dutch country itself.

Unfortunately, our country has to make its own way in many critical industrial areas. For too long, the role assigned to our country as part of the same system did not go beyond subcontracting and sub-industry. While the construction/contracting sectors or the service and tourism sectors in general have made significant progress since the 90s, we have not made the same progress, especially in technology-intensive industries. Now we are trying to catch up by running faster than anyone else.

 

[Tornadoss]

The rates were 90% because they switched from the Ottoman alphabet to the Latin alphabet. You thought it was easy to change the entire alphabet from a great nation and expect that they could write and read it in a fortnight?

Yeah because they were beacon of development before the republic. Please don't impute mistakes during the Empire to the Republic.

 

[Tornadoss]

True. Illiteracy rate was less than 50% before (10%~50%) (which is far less from most european countries at that time).

Everyone knew how to read the Quran, the Quran is written in Arabic, Ottoman alphabet was Arabic

Your figures are pure BS, first of all not everybody was able read the quran second Ottoman alphabet is Arabic-Persian not solely Arabic.

Otherwise would mean they were not hearing what was coming out from their mouth.

So buy your assumption kids are able to read without learning how to read, because they would know what is incoming out of their mouth? Reading and speaking are two different things.

By the Emperor's order, it was a rule to learn how to read and write in the Ottoman Empire.

By which emperor? Who was checking it?

 

[Turkic]

Your figures are pure BS, first of all not everybody was able read the quran second Ottoman alphabet is Arabic-Persian not solely Arabic.

Ottoman language was Arabic-Persian not alphabet. There no such thing as Persian alphabet. They use Arabic too.

So buy your assumption kids are able to read without learning how to read, because they would know what is incoming out of their mouth? Reading and speaking are two different things.

It is a sign of dyslexia mostly. I was able to write before we had writing lessons in primary school. Almost any friend of mine were. Every normal kid can write what they learned to read.

By which emperor? Who was checking it?

Mahmut the Second. 1824. Talim-i Sıbyan Fermanı. Meclis-i Maarif-i Umumiye. There was a ministery for it and they were responsible of it. They were checking it but I'm not surprised for you didn't even google what I said. There are researches from western researchers that proves me. I could send you the link but maybe you should learn how to search and learn things. Start from here.

first of all not everybody was able read the quran

That's why illiteration rate was smth from ten percent to fifty percent. It would be around 10 if everyone did. It is at most 50.

Do not dispute me again if you don't have any arguments.

 

[B_A]

Globalization and faster spread of technologies makes societies look more similar on the surface than they actually are and this fools people. If we put aside the technological aspect, and look at some social and cultural parameters, no eastern nation has yet reached the level of social dynamism achieved by several west European nations already in late 18th century (except perhaps Japan approaching pre-WWII and since 80s onward).

Interesting thing is none of that dynamism had borne much fruit yet when it comes to military technology and economic productivity, hence seeming to some observers like Ottomans could sometimes hold their own, this leading some to conclude Ottoman decline started only in late 18th century; or based on Avshar Nader's performance against Ottomans to lead some to argue even Afsharid Iran could've held its own against any number of European powers.

And when it comes to economic productivity, some have argued (and this revisionist view is becoming mainstream because of the new cultural relativism fad), as there wasn't much mass production yet and India and China still produced much more and had a more sizeable economies, that western dominance only started in 19th century, hence having to produce "industrial revolution" like a deus ex machina to account for the rapid "out-of-nowhere" overtaking in numbers which occurred.

Russian Empire/Soviet Union was actually replaced the position of Ottoman empire after 18 century.

Russia was not a western or European powers.Westerners guess it as a eastern empire.

Russian Illiteracy rate was as low as Ottoman but it was a superpower because of its size and military technology,we can say it is a Big population version of Ottoman empire with some western technology.

As a country, Russia/USSR was rising and much stronger than the Netherlands, but socially and in living standards, Russia was not better than us,

 

[B_A]

Globalization and faster spread of technologies makes societies look more similar on the surface than they actually are and this fools people. If we put aside the technological aspect, and look at some social and cultural parameters, no eastern nation has yet reached the level of social dynamism achieved by several west European nations already in late 18th century (except perhaps Japan approaching pre-WWII and since 80s onward).

Interesting thing is none of that dynamism had borne much fruit yet when it comes to military technology and economic productivity, hence seeming to some observers like Ottomans could sometimes hold their own, this leading some to conclude Ottoman decline started only in late 18th century; or based on Avshar Nader's performance against Ottomans to lead some to argue even Afsharid Iran could've held its own against any number of European powers.

And when it comes to economic productivity, some have argued (and this revisionist view is becoming mainstream because of the new cultural relativism fad), as there wasn't much mass production yet and India and China still produced much more and had a more sizeable economies, that western dominance only started in 19th century, hence having to produce "industrial revolution" like a deus ex machina to account for the rapid "out-of-nowhere" overtaking in numbers which occurred.

Were Russian and Ottomans west or east that was an arguement.

Russian had so much non-western features and she still a great power until now even his level of social dynamism never achieve Western.Russia even has a more backward serfdom