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Saithan

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Do you guys know how industrialized Netherlands is, have you seen how they do farming, and then take a look at Türkiye.

If every Village had a farming machinery building with Tractors, harvesters etc. and even professionals to support farmers, conduct soiltest etc. including making worm fertilizers to support farmers then we might be able to make more progress, but it is everyman for himself, and only people with good neighborhood relations that help each other, if at all.


 

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When the Dutch were developing the first stock exchanges and international banks, doing world trade and later were part of the first industrial revolutions... What were we doing in our grand Empire?

The Netherlands in the 1500s had literacy rates that the Ottomans reached in the end of their existence as an Empire. There is nothing more to say.
 

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Imagine, tiny Netherlands had in 2023 a export of 667 billion.

Our export should hit skyrockets with our geographic position.

A lot of Netherlands trade is with neighboring countries. UK, Germany, Belgium, France. All major economies. Who do you want Turkiye to trade with? Bulgaria, Greece, Syria, Iraq, Georgia?
 

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When the Dutch were developing the first stock exchanges and international banks, doing world trade and later were part of the first industrial revolutions... What were we doing in our grand Empire?

The Netherlands in the 1500s had literacy rates that the Ottomans reached in the end of their existence as an Empire. There is nothing more to say.

I agree. When they invented multinationals as Fokker, Philips and DAF, we were building statues and fighting about headscarfs.
 

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And were Fokker, Philips, DAF invented overnight? How we are investing in education? With more religious schools and courses?

Almost any country in the world has religious schools. People really love to support when a western country do smth but they criticize it when we do the same. Cut it and think healthy please. We have slightly good education system for a 85 million country with a young population. There's nothing to do if there's no good college for who didn't get in top %10 in uni exams. It's people's fault to see it as a problem. Most of the population should be technicians in a country (population excluding service sector). What can I do if every single person tries to get a diploma ? They should get a job, learn it and then get their mastery certificate. It provides more money income than most diplomas. There's no diploma for everyone. We raise top class engineers and the best doctors in the world, no ? So what's the problem ?
 

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Globalization and faster spread of technologies makes societies look more similar on the surface than they actually are and this fools people. If we put aside the technological aspect, and look at some social and cultural parameters, no eastern nation has yet reached the level of social dynamism achieved by several west European nations already in late 18th century (except perhaps Japan approaching pre-WWII and since 80s onward).

Interesting thing is none of that dynamism had borne much fruit yet when it comes to military technology and economic productivity, hence seeming to some observers like Ottomans could sometimes hold their own, this leading some to conclude Ottoman decline started only in late 18th century; or based on Avshar Nader's performance against Ottomans to lead some to argue even Afsharid Iran could've held its own against any number of European powers.

And when it comes to economic productivity, some have argued (and this revisionist view is becoming mainstream because of the new cultural relativism fad), as there wasn't much mass production yet and India and China still produced much more and had a more sizeable economies, that western dominance only started in 19th century, hence having to produce "industrial revolution" like a deus ex machina to account for the rapid "out-of-nowhere" overtaking in numbers which occurred.
 

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I agree. When they invented multinationals as Fokker, Philips and DAF, we were building statues and fighting about headscarfs.

Got it. The headscarf discussion is what held back our muftis and tarikats from inventing the next jet fighter.
Go ahead Scott, you can wear your headscarf anywhere now. Go, invent something. /s

While they were teaching their kids and women how to read, we still had illiteracy rates of 90%. Your polemics are dumb and out of place.
 

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While they were teaching their kids and women how to read, we still had illiteracy rates of 90%. Your polemics are dumb and out of place.

The rates were 90% because they switched from the Ottoman alphabet to the Latin alphabet. You thought it was easy to change the entire alphabet from a great nation and expect that they could write and read it in a fortnight?
 

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A lot of Netherlands trade is with neighboring countries. UK, Germany, Belgium, France. All major economies. Who do you want Turkiye to trade with? Bulgaria, Greece, Syria, Iraq, Georgia?

Did you know, that (just) North Iraq was our second biggest trading partner, before Arab spring? Without that „US-Spring“, Iraq would surpass Germany as our biggest trading partner!
Did you know, that Ahmedinejad (Iran) and Türkiye reached an agreement to boost our treading volume to $100 billion? Only an update of EU customs union would Türkiye bring additional +2% GDP growth (estimation of OECD)…
 

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