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[Tornadoss]

Ottoman language was Arabic-Persian not alphabet. There no such thing as Persian alphabet. They use Arabic too.



It is a sign of dyslexia mostly. I was able to write before we had writing lessons in primary school. Almost any friend of mine were. Every normal kid can write what they learned to read.



Mahmut the Second. 1824. Talim-i Sıbyan Fermanı. Meclis-i Maarif-i Umumiye. There was a ministery for it and they were responsible of it. They were checking it but I'm not surprised for you didn't even google what I said. There are researches from western researchers that proves me. I could send you the link but maybe you should learn how to search and learn things. Start from here.



That's why illiteration rate was smth from ten percent to fifty percent. It would be around 10 if everyone did. It is at most 50.

Do not dispute me again if you don't have any arguments.

I confuse the language and alphabet, Persian has few more letter and have different pronunciation. It's my bad.

Indeed, Mahmut II. made changes regarding the many area of the Ottomans, but how it's followed in the and how it's applied it's another question. Also need to take into account reading was only limited to religious studies for most who can get it. No higher education possible for most only for the elite classes, such as the military and bureaucratic officers. In urban areas, where there were more schools, literacy rates were somewhat higher among the elite and the educated. In rural areas, however, education was not as accessible, and literacy rates were lower. And most of population in Anatolia was living in rural areas. In the end according to the census in 1927 literacy rate was around 10%.

At the end of empire, there was no heavy industry, no scientific background to back the industry. It was lost the edge due to missing the Industrial revolution. In a heavy debt. Not much possibilities for the new Republic. These are the realities.

 

[Scott Summers]

Yeah because they were beacon of development before the republic. Please don't impute mistakes during the Empire to the Republic.

An undeveloping or retarded empire could not last for 6 centuries. After the military coup we saw a new form of statehood with 1 party and 0 elections.

 

[Tornadoss]

An undeveloping or retarded empire could not last for 6 centuries. After the military coup we saw a new form of statehood with 1 party and 0 elections.

It was developed until it was not. It was underdeveloped at the end of empire, beginning from late 1600s. There would be a land locked country if there was not a coup, that people you blamed with coup fought for this country and work until very end for it. The things are done for the salvation of this country.

 

[Rooxbar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1877040918244593970

 

[hugh]

True. Illiteracy rate was less than 50% before (10%~50%) (which is far less from most european countries at that time).

Everyone knew how to read the Quran, the Quran is written in Arabic, Ottoman alphabet was Arabic, Ottoman Turkish was being read as written as todays Turkish, so everyone who could read Quran (who is everyone) was able to read and write in Ottoman Turkish too. Otherwise would mean they were not hearing what was coming out from their mouth.

Think it like writing a Turkish word you heard for the first time, it's easy because it's written as it's read right ? It's the same in Ottoman. And I'm saying less than 50% for the last century of the empire. It was way more less than that at the empire's peak.

By this logic anyone who can read(I can read it too) Quran today can read Ottoman Turkish, which is obviously false. Go ahead and test this theory if it holds water. And when you fail, please don't come back with excuses like "those words are forgotten today". Because that is not the reason. You cannot even read the words you use and know by heart.

And can you produce a source for this 50% literacy rate claim?

 

[chngr]

Imagine, tiny Netherlands had in 2023 a export of 667 billion.

Our export should hit skyrockets with our geographic position.

Thats not pruduction or exports..just re-exports

Netherlands is port country like bigger Hong Kong and Singapore.

 

[Turkic]

Go ahead and test this theory if it holds water.

I don't need to try I already can. There are some tips for it. My father is a literature teacher and he thought me how (Literature students get Ottoman Turkish classes too). So I'm not coming back with excuses. But I need to tell that this is not valid for all sentences you can face. When "divan" involves, it's impossible if you didn't educate Ottoman. I'm talking about simple Ottoman Turkish, which people used to talk. Sorry for not stating this and the tips before.

And can you produce a source for this 50% literacy rate claim?

There are a lot of sources to claim it but none is official. Just like there's no official source that claims a lower percent in the last era of the Empire.