TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[begturan]

If we receive a significant number of Kızılelma, Anka3, and Hürjet along with domestic air-to-air missiles within a year, I don't think we'll be purchasing any foreign aircraft. How many can we produce by the end of 2026? Could it be 15 in total?

 

[Sanchez]

If we receive a significant number of Kızılelma, Anka3, and Hürjet along with domestic air-to-air missiles within a year, I don't think we'll be purchasing any foreign aircraft. How many can we produce by the end of 2026? Could it be 15 in total?

If we get 50 Kaans by 2030 we also won't need any foreign aircraft. There are things that are possible, and there are things that are nothing more than a birthday wish.

Drones are not substitute for fighter aircraft, we need fighter aircraft.

 

[begturan]

If we get 50 Kaans by 2030 we also won't need any foreign aircraft. There are things that are possible, and there are things that are nothing more than a birthday wish.

Drones are not substitute for fighter aircraft, we need fighter aircraft.

Until domestically engines are produced, we can't consider either the Kaan or the Hürjet projects final. Our relationship with the US is always on a tightrope and prone to breakage at any moment. Therefore, the Anka3 and Kızılelma, which will ensure we won't encounter any engine problems, are our top priorities. If things go well with the US or we produce our own domestic engine, we won't need anyone else for manned fighter jets anyway. There's currently no news on whether we're getting engines from the US for the other Kaan and Hürjet prototypes. Even prototype production may be stalled...

 

[Saithan]

Hürjet is possible, but the engine sales has not been approved

 

[No Name]

If we receive a significant number of Kızılelma, Anka3, and Hürjet along with domestic air-to-air missiles within a year, I don't think we'll be purchasing any foreign aircraft. How many can we produce by the end of 2026? Could it be 15 in total?

According to this article, the Anka 3 will only enter mass production in 2028, probably because that is when the TF6000 will be finished. I'm guessing that Kizilelma will enter production around the same time.

IDEF 2025 - Turkish Aerospace Industries gets new contracts and advances development programmes - EDR Magazine

The Hürjet training aircraft, the T625 Gökbey, and the T925 helicopters dominated the Turkish Aerospace Industries stand at IDEF 2025.

www.edrmagazine.eu

 

[Sanchez]

First Indonesian A400M, seen with 2 underwing refueling pods. This is a capability we could also achieve relatively easy and cheaply, which would create some contingency to Typhoons being refueled. Drogue adapter for KC-135's boom is not a real solution and it's a workaround.

 

[begturan]

According to this article, the Anka 3 will only enter mass production in 2028, probably because that is when the TF6000 will be finished. I'm guessing that Kizilelma will enter production around the same time.

IDEF 2025 - Turkish Aerospace Industries gets new contracts and advances development programmes - EDR Magazine

The Hürjet training aircraft, the T625 Gökbey, and the T925 helicopters dominated the Turkish Aerospace Industries stand at IDEF 2025.

www.edrmagazine.eu

The second prototype of the TF6000 is nearing production, and the third will be built with afterburner. If all goes well, delivery of the TF6000 could be expected soon, but the TF10000 will take a little longer. Since the Anka3 and Kızılelma currently use Ukrainian engines, we don't have any engine problems.

Our air force currently lacks sufficient air-to-air munitions, and there's also a shortage of platforms to deliver domestically produced air-to-air munitions. If the Kızılelma enters the inventory, it will be critical to meeting this need.

 

[boredaf]

The second prototype of the TF6000 is nearing production, and the third will be built with afterburner. If all goes well, delivery of the TF6000 could be expected soon, but the TF10000 will take a little longer. Since the Anka3 and Kızılelma currently use Ukrainian engines, we don't have any engine problems.

Our air force currently lacks sufficient air-to-air munitions, and there's also a shortage of platforms to deliver domestically produced air-to-air munitions. If the Kızılelma enters the inventory, it will be critical to meeting this need.

You're skipping ahead far too fast mate. TF6K isn't anywhere near delivery, it hasn't even finished its ground tests and then it has to go through another set of tests while flying. Those tests take time, as in years. Every single time people from TEI talk about this they emphasized this as well.

 

[Strong AI]

BAE Systems lauds Turkey-Typhoon talks, says “two to three” years to meet possible Eurofighter production ramp up

The company saw a strong H1 2025 in terms of sales momentum and orders, with CEO Charles Woodburn noting that talks with Turkey on Eurofighter Typhoon were progressing “quickly”.

BAE Systems lauds Turkey-Typhoon talks, says “two to three” years to meet possible Eurofighter production ramp up | Shephard

The company saw a strong H1 2025 in terms of sales momentum and orders, with CEO Charles Woodburn noting that talks with Turkey on Eurofighter Typhoon were progressing “quickly”.

www.shephardmedia.com

 

[Turkic]

I'm guessing that Kizilelma will enter production around the same time.

Selçuk Bayraktar last night on CNN Türk:

"Kızılelma is in serial production as of this year."

First Kızılelma will be delivered in 2026.

 

[boredaf]

Selçuk Bayraktar last night on CNN Türk:

"Kızılelma is in serial production as of this year."

First Kızılelma will be delivered in 2026.

Yeah, he has been saying that for the last 2 years.

BAYKAR'ın yıllık TB2 ve AKINCI üretim adetleri açıklandı | SavunmaSanayiST

Dünyanın en büyük SİHA üreticisi olan BAYKAR, yılda 300 adet Bayraktar TB2 ve AKINCI tiplerinde insansız hava aracı üretiyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

"Bayraktar stated that they plan to produce at least 12 Bayraktar Kızılelma models in 2024, adding that they will continue to increase this number in 2025 and reach at least 48 units in 2026. He emphasized that this increase will continue exponentially."

KIZILELMA üçüncü uçuşu yaptı seri üretim tarihi verildi

Bayraktar KIZILELMA insansız savaş uçağı gökyüzünde testlere başarıyla devam ediyor. Üçüncü uçuşunu gerçekleştiren KIZILELMA'nın seri üretim tarihi de açıklandı

www.savunmasanayist.com

"Going forward, we will continue to conduct numerous tests as part of our development activities. We aim to begin mass production of KIZILELMA in early 2024."

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yeah, he has been saying that for the last 2 years.

BAYKAR'ın yıllık TB2 ve AKINCI üretim adetleri açıklandı | SavunmaSanayiST

Dünyanın en büyük SİHA üreticisi olan BAYKAR, yılda 300 adet Bayraktar TB2 ve AKINCI tiplerinde insansız hava aracı üretiyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

"Bayraktar stated that they plan to produce at least 12 Bayraktar Kızılelma models in 2024, adding that they will continue to increase this number in 2025 and reach at least 48 units in 2026. He emphasized that this increase will continue exponentially."

KIZILELMA üçüncü uçuşu yaptı seri üretim tarihi verildi

Bayraktar KIZILELMA insansız savaş uçağı gökyüzünde testlere başarıyla devam ediyor. Üçüncü uçuşunu gerçekleştiren KIZILELMA'nın seri üretim tarihi de açıklandı

www.savunmasanayist.com

"Going forward, we will continue to conduct numerous tests as part of our development activities. We aim to begin mass production of KIZILELMA in early 2024."

Where is he getting the engines?
By the way, the Anka-3 engine using the non AB version of the same Ukranian engine stopped in the air causing it to crash land. Are these engines really dependable on these platforms?

 

[boredaf]

Where is he getting the engines?
By the way, the Anka-3 engine using the non AB version of the same Ukranian engine stopped in the air causing it to crash land. Are these engines really dependable on these platforms?

No idea mate, I'm not even sure their factory is working right now because Russia hit them hard at least twice just this year, and they were hit before as well.

 

[TheInsider]

Selçuk Bayraktar lost me when he said you can buy 20 Kızılelmas instead of 1 F-16 with the same money. Even if we factor total life cycle costs it is impossible. IMHO he doesn't need to talk bullshit.

 

[Turkic]

Selçuk Bayraktar lost me when he said you can but 20 Kızılelmas instead of 1 F-16 with the same money. Even if we factor total life cycle costs it is impossible. IMHO he doesn't need to talk bullshit.

He didn't say that

He said Kızılelma will be 5-10 times cheaper than manned fighter jets.

Later Fulya forced him on the topic and he said "I can't say if it will be 20 times cheaper. Fighter jets aren't sold for fixed prices. It can be 20-30 times cheaper if you count all (referring to the Eurofighter/Rafale sales with a price tag of up to 300 million euros per jet when all spare parts and others added)"

It's not the exact conversation. I translated with what's left in my mind from last night but that was what he said. He said 5-10 times cheaper than 5th gen manned fighters. When he said 20-30 times was after Fulya asked him if it will be 20 times cheaper than F-16.

So it's not Selçuk's fault but media's.

 

[Ahlatshah]

He didn't say that

He said Kızılelma will be 5-10 times cheaper than manned fighter jets.

Later Fulya forced him on the topic and he said "I can't say if it will be 20 times cheaper. Fighter jets aren't sold for fixed prices. It can be 20-30 times cheaper if you count all (referring to the Eurofighter/Rafale sales with a price tag of up to 300 million euros per jet when all spare parts and others added)"

It's not the exact conversation. I translated with what's left in my mind from last night but that was what he said. He said 5-10 times cheaper than 5th gen manned fighters. When he said 20-30 times was after Fulya asked him if it will be 20 times cheaper than F-16.

So it's not Selçuk's fault but media's.

Agree that , he also explicitly said that 5 or 10 times cheaper than 5. gen aircrafts. If you count all the expenses 20x 30x cheaper he outlined

But you know, media is always tend to exagerrate things to get more views. If one doesnt watch entire program, headline or fixed subtitles can be very much misleading.

However, in the program, he seems more uptight than usual I can say. That doesnt help anyone, Baykar is very important company and he himself very important figure for our nation and country.

He also stated 6 KE have already been built

 

[TheInsider]

He didn't say that

He said Kızılelma will be 5-10 times cheaper than manned fighter jets.

Later Fulya forced him on the topic and he said "I can't say if it will be 20 times cheaper. Fighter jets aren't sold for fixed prices. It can be 20-30 times cheaper if you count all (referring to the Eurofighter/Rafale sales with a price tag of up to 300 million euros per jet when all spare parts and others added)"

It's not the exact conversation. I translated with what's left in my mind from last night but that was what he said. He said 5-10 times cheaper than 5th gen manned fighters. When he said 20-30 times was after Fulya asked him if it will be 20 times cheaper than F-16.

So it's not Selçuk's fault but media's.

Unmanned fighters that are on par with today's modern manned fighters won't be a magnitude cheaper compared to manned fighters. This is selling snake oil. A Kızılelma with a 20000 lbs engine, AESA radar, EOTS, DAS, improved production quality, stealth coating and supersonic flight capability will cost half the price of F-35(~40 million) at best, and it will carry less payload.

 

[TheInsider]

Agree that , he also explicitly said that 5 or 10 times cheaper than 5. gen aircrafts. If you count all the expenses 20x 30x cheaper he outlined

But you know, media is always tend to exagerrate things to get more views. If one doesnt watch entire program, headline or fixed subtitles can be very much misleading.

However, in the program, he seems more uptight than usual I can say. That doesnt help anyone, Baykar is very important company and he himself very important figure for our nation and country.

He also stated 6 KE have already been built

He is outright lying.

 

[Ahlatshah]

He is outright lying.

If you explain things what he says is impossible, it would be a much productive argument. Instead, you just saying he is lying.

We are tired of that kind of attitude.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Selçuk Bayraktar lost me when he said you can buy 20 Kızılelmas instead of 1 F-16 with the same money. Even if we factor total life cycle costs it is impossible. IMHO he doesn't need to talk bullshit.

I aslo shocked , At best kızılelma can cost 20 million dollar while f16 depends on variants cost 70-80 million , thats around 4x cheaper that still is amazing but 20 x ?!