TR Economy & Updates

[Huelague]

Comparison of Panama and Canal Istanbul meaningless, as there is no alternative to Panama Canal.

That’s wrong. The opposite is right.

 

[what]

We dont earn a fucking dime with our straits because of all the restrictions and regulations.

Wrong.

Turkey raises the cost of passage of ships through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles — News — GMK Center

From July 1, 2024, the fee will increase by 14.7%

gmk.center

Still peanuts though:

Türkiye sees growth in profits from passage of ships in Bosphorus to $185M

Türkiye’s profit from the passage of ships through the Bosphorus Strait has increased over two years from $35 million to $185 million, Minister of Transport and...

report.az

 

[Tornadoss]

That’s wrong. The opposite is right.

How come:

 

[Scott Summers]

Wrong.

Turkey raises the cost of passage of ships through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles — News — GMK Center

From July 1, 2024, the fee will increase by 14.7%

gmk.center

Still peanuts though:

Türkiye sees growth in profits from passage of ships in Bosphorus to $185M

Türkiye’s profit from the passage of ships through the Bosphorus Strait has increased over two years from $35 million to $185 million, Minister of Transport and...

report.az

5 dollar per tonnage?

Thats peanuts.

 

[Huelague]

How come:

You can bypass Panama Canal. Yes, you have to buy in a longer way, but it’s possible. For Bulgaria or Romania or Georgia. it’s impossible to bypass Bosporus.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I agree. When they invented multinationals as Fokker, Philips and DAF, we were building statues and fighting about headscarfs.

Islamists are still fighting in every place you find them, mostly killing each other. Or when you find them in the west they are arguing over the age of consent.

Impossible to progress when the islamist mindset like the cultural marxist mindset is constantly at war with itself and everyone else. Just think about it, the Islamists are excited for the idea of war with Isreal. If that happens what do you think will happen to Turkiye? Ill tell you what will happen Turkiye will be entirely f'ked and the americans won't need to attack us, just a few sanctions and most of the nation will search the bins to find food. No different to how the greeks were searching the bins for food not so long ago.

 

[Saithan]

You can bypass Panama Canal. Yes, you have to buy in a longer way, but it’s possible. For Bulgaria or Romania or Georgia. it’s impossible to bypass Bosporus.

Ok, you did not understand Tornados post Mate. Because that is exactly what he wrote.

 

[Tornadoss]

You can bypass Panama Canal. Yes, you have to buy in a longer way, but it’s possible. For Bulgaria or Romania or Georgia. it’s impossible to bypass Bosporus.

I am comparing canal Istanbul to Panama not Bosporus. If canal Istanbul would built there are still Bosporus as alternative. And nobody would(commercially) go around American continent to bypass Panama.

 

[Huelague]

I am comparing canal Istanbul to Panama not Bosporus. If canal Istanbul would built there are still Bosporus as alternative. And nobody would(commercially) go around American continent to bypass Panama.

Next step is, narrow the Bosporus, increase the traffic to force the ships to use Istanbul canal.
You guys have to think that you are not the only genius on the planet.

 

[what]

I dont know how the treaties on Bosphorus work but why not simply raise the prices on Bosphorus transit and save the costs of the second channel?

 

[B_A]

I dont know how the treaties on Bosphorus work but why not simply raise the prices on Bosphorus transit and save the costs of the second channel?

The second channel is an infrastructure that increases GDP and attracts investment, allowing relevant people to make money.

 

[fushkee]

Stop investing everything into Istanbul!!! We have an earthquake reality for Istanbul. Istanbul is crowded as hell like Delhi, Bangladesh, etc.
we have a huge Anatolia. All investments should be spreaded in it.

 

[Anastasius]

Stop investing everything into Istanbul!!! We have an earthquake reality for Istanbul. Istanbul is crowded as hell like Delhi, Bangladesh, etc.
we have a huge Anatolia. All investments should be spreaded in it.

You sound exactly like the average Azerbaijani complaining about all the funding going to building new stuff in Baku instead of investing in the rest of the country.

Don't get me wrong though, I absolutely agree with the sentiment.

 

[Ryder]

Stop investing everything into Istanbul!!! We have an earthquake reality for Istanbul. Istanbul is crowded as hell like Delhi, Bangladesh, etc.
we have a huge Anatolia. All investments should be spreaded in it.

Immigration to istanbul needs to be stopped.

Istanbul takes way too much investment. Its ridiculous. What do you expect especially what Erdogan said the one who controls Istanbul controls the country.

AKP supporters from the Anatolian heartland need to wake up.

 

[chngr]

Immigration to istanbul needs to be stopped.

Istanbul takes way too much investment. Its ridiculous. What do you expect especially what Erdogan said the one who controls Istanbul controls the country.

AKP supporters from the Anatolian heartland need to wake up.

No, on the contrary, Istanbul receives very very little public investment...Anyone who has traveled to Anatolia must know this by now

İstanbul needs more infrastructure investment especially for highways and Bosphorus crossing

 

[Turkic]

Bosphorus is not suitable for heavy cargo shipment. Many crashes happened till today and there happens a lot of near-crashes every year. There are buildings everywhere in the shore of Bosphorus and people live there. Even if luckily no casualties happens, there are historical buildings including Dolmabahce Palace. These buildings are too worthy and most of them are unreplaceable. You can't just wait and watch while a big crash may happen anytime.

There are few more reasons that makes the Bosphorus not fit for shipping. Mostly because of the underwater structure of Bosphorus, streams and it's curvy nature. These causes a huge lost of money annually.

I'm not a master in treaties either but if I'm not wrong, we can not control civil shipping in bosphorus. We only can stop military ships and only in under some conditions. Idk much but what I know is treaties about Bosphorus has a lot of writing in it. No doubt these are pissing our government. Canal will let us stop shipping in Bosphorus because we will tell the world it is risky to do shipping there. And we will force them to go from a route which we have full control on.

About investment to Istanbul or Anatolia, I'm living in Samsun since I was 1 and I've seen most of the cities in Turkiye. I won't be able to join your thoughts. We have a whole area in Samsun that only factories and such industrial buildings are there. You all know Canik, which is a sub-company of SYS (Samsun Yurt Savunma), has factories in Samsun and has a great piece in exports of Samsun. Chery is also getting ready to establish a factory in Samsun (in new industrial complex).
I've spent a quite time in Bursa, which is home to a lot of factories including a lot of car manufacturers.
Similar amounts of factories in a lot of cities such as Konya, Gaziantep, Yalova, Sakarya, Kocaeli and so on..
These cities get a remarkable amount of investment. I'll give an example over Samsun again, the new industrial complex I just mentioned is built to be home to factories and industrial buildings. Hundreds of companies and manufacturers are going to be there and this will exponentially increase production in Samsun. BYD is investing 1 billion dollars to Mersin now. There are factories of Turkish defence companies all around Turkiye, TAI is heavily investing in Kahramanmaraş since the earthquake.

Long story short, there are investments aiming Anatolia, which I witnessed some with my own eyes. And there is a NEED to build a canal in Istanbul, otherwise possible crashes will create a small earthquake effect.

Most of you are living abroad. This makes you miss a lot of news and you don't see Turkiye with your own eyes as much as I do. So please pay attention to what I said.

 

[Sanchez]

Canal will let us stop shipping in Bosphorus because we will tell the world it is risky to do shipping there. And we will force them to go from a route which we have full control on

We can't, With Montreux or not, Bosphorus is still a natural waterway. We can make crossing Bosphorus harder by using bureaucracy but we cannot stop the traffic.

 

[YeşilVatan]

We can't, With Montreux or not, Bosphorus is still a natural waterway. We can make crossing Bosphorus harder by using bureaucracy but we cannot stop the traffic.

I think we can put a deal forward that would divert large ships to the canal by saying it will be treated as the original canal for all intents and purposes, and charge a little more for the upkeep of the canal. I hate it when petroleum tankers run aground in the Bosphorus and it willl continue to happen as long as those ships pass the straits.

My amateur opinion is the canal is totally not worth it, though. We are not in a position to do vanity projects.

 

[Turkic]

We can't, With Montreux or not, Bosphorus is still a natural waterway. We can make crossing Bosphorus harder by using bureaucracy but we cannot stop the traffic.

Yes. And no one would choose Bosphorus when we make it harder. Every day is important when a shipping delay is gonna happen. No company would choose 2 days delay over 1 dollar more per ton.

Edit: forcing them to submit an over-detailed maintenance report recorded in a close date would be a nice way to make them wait, wouldn't it ? We can't let structurally unsafe ships to get in Bosphorus right

 

[Huelague]

Yes. And no one would choose Bosphorus when we make it harder. Every day is important when a shipping delay is gonna happen. No company would choose 2 days delay over 1 dollar more per ton.

Edit: forcing them to submit an over-detailed maintenance report recorded in a close date would be a nice way to make them wait, wouldn't it ? We can't let structurally unsafe ships to get in Bosphorus right

Exactly! That’s the plan when If I recall my Telephone call with Erdoğa right. Maybe an additional bridge or tunnel and deposit of land to narrow the Bosporus.
Fishing boats can also make an traffic jam.