TR Air-Force EF Typhoon

[MonteCarlo]

With all this money going to the Typhoons probably new F16 are already ditched an F35 is unlikely.

I am still in favour of buying 20 f-16v's if US are willing to give them without much trouble. Even if it is to only get familiar with what Greece will be using and learn from it for özgür 2. But it seems unlikely at the moment

 

[Oublious]

With all this money going to the Typhoons probably new F16 are already ditched an F35 is unlikely.

What i do understand is they do not allow to use non american weapons on it, so whats the point to buy if we can not use own weapons?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

With missiles, spare parts and upgrade the older EF.

İ know but still too high and at least govermwnt should push UK aslo to buy from us like drones , Anka , tulpar ifv pr something at least 2 billion
and the deal dont mention qatar , omani ones if are part of the deal or we should pay them separately
as we gonna buy
-12 qatar t3A urgent (weeks to be active) ,
- 12 Omani ones gonna upgrage ( months)
- 20 UK new ones , 2028+
- 20 option - 2030+
( 44 on order + 20 option )

 

[Kaan Azman]

 

[Sanchez]

"Clarification via BAE Systems of two figures mentioned (£5.4bn from BAE and 'up to £8bn' from No10) "The difference between £5.4bn [aircraft/weapons package] and the £8bn figure is for support and training activity, which will be contracted at a separate time."

5.4 billion GBP deal that was signed is for aircraft, weapons and presumably upgrading of Omani EFs, but not certain. Remaining 2.6 billion GBP is not yet signed and includes support and training.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982852075789693067

None of these figures also include what or how we pay Qatar and Oman if those jets are purchased. This 5.4B fixed and up to 8B figure is for BAE workshare. I'm thinking some very interesting gmynastics were made re Qatar and Oman.

 

[boredaf]

"Clarification via BAE Systems of two figures mentioned (£5.4bn from BAE and 'up to £8bn' from No10) "The difference between £5.4bn [aircraft/weapons package] and the £8bn figure is for support and training activity, which will be contracted at a separate time."

5.4 billion GBP deal that was signed is for aircraft, weapons and presumably upgrading of Omani EFs, but not certain. Remaining 2.6 billion GBP is not yet signed and includes support and training.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982852075789693067

None of these figures also include what or how we pay Qatar and Oman if those jets are purchased. This 5.4B fixed and up to 8B figure is for BAE workshare. I'm thinking some very interesting gmynastics were made re Qatar and Oman.

We are going to have to build the entire logistic and support structure around these jets really fast, unfortunately, which is something we have done for F-16 over decades. And, I would guess we want as many parts and weapons as we could, just a we did with the yanks when they approved our requests.

Edit: Btw, I would love to see the faces of some people who were acting all hoity toity on their high fucking horses lmfao.

 

[Sanchez]

We are going to have to build the entire logistic and support structure around these jets really fast, unfortunately, which is something we have done for F-16 over decades. And, I would guess we want as many parts of weapons as we could, just a we did with the yanks when they approved our requests.

Edit: Btw, I would love to see the faces of some people who were acting all hoity toity on their high fucking horses lmfao.

And it will be done, of course. We are talking up to 128 EJ200s in time, not including spares. Air force will want to have its own MRO facility for both aircraft and engines.

 

[Iskander]

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It should have been painted gold

 

[Samba]

What i like most about this agreement is the finger we show to Trump behind our back. Not only us sells fighter jets....

 

[Yasar_TR]

Keir Starmer says:
“8billion pounds worth of work for the UK.“
For the provision of Typhoons
He doesn’t say Turkiye is paying 8billion pounds for 20 planes.
The cost breakdown will come in to open in the end.
There will be spares, Engines and their spares, munitions like Meteors.
Ground maintenance set ups that will have to be provided bay UK.
Most likely that the 8 billion covers the optional Typhoons and the upgrading that needs to be done on the Omani planes.

He is doing what RTE does all the time in Türkiye .
Addressing UK public that he has done a good deal for the UK and the related workforce.

 

[valarmogu]

Finally we'll quickly close our shortfall. A total of 44 Eurofighters were purchased — 20 new and 24 second-hand. It is stated that Meteor air-to-air missiles are included in the contract signed with the UK...

https://www.ulusavunma.com/turkiye-20-adet-eurofighter-savas-ucagi-icin-sozlesme-imzaladi/

 

[AlperTunga]

I am not sure that 12 Qatar plus 12 Oman EFs will quickly close the shortfall. The Omani ones will need some upgrade, especially on the radars, which will take time. I am disappointed with Qatar that they are not offering us 24 planes. If the 20 new EFs are only coming in 2030, then we'll still have some gap I'd say till 2030. So better than nothing, but still not good enough.

Coming to the price of 8 bn pounds!! This is horrendous. If each plane costs 120mio, and we buy spare parts (including engines) for a plane worth of 1/2 of the unit price, as well as 10 Meteors per plane, then it results in a bill of 4bn. To reach the bill of 5.4 bn, we must have ordered some other weapons. Now coming to the 2.6bn additional work for BAE, this probably includes the modernization of the Omani EFs, including new radars. Or the spare parts for Omani jets, are within the 5.4bn bill and the 2.6 bn not only includes logictics, training etc, but also the cost of work for modernization. Still, very expensive. It can only be justified if we have obtained the flexibility to integrate our own radars and munitions. All in all, given all these expenses, I'd have expected to get 20 more planes, because only then it makes sense to invest so much in spare parts, logistics etc. that much money.

 

[Khagan1923]

So

20 T4+
12 T3A
12 T3 which will be modernized by BAE in England to T4/4+ standart.

I expect the Qatar T3A to stay the same as they are relatively young and have not even seen triple digit flight hours and are already equipped with Captor-E (Mk0)

Curious if our EF to be produced will come with the LAD https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/medulla

We know Meteor will be part of the ammunition package. Really interested was else it will entail.

 

[Sanchez]

Really interested was else it will entail

Probably ASRAAM as well. Unsure on Storm Shadow.

 

[hugh]

What i like most about this agreement is the finger we show to Trump behind our back. Not only us sells fighter jets....

you snooze you lose. but seriously, this purchase might have a positive effect on a prospective F35 acquirement. they might not act so high and mighty anymore.

price is controversial but it was stupid to structure your entire air force around a single supplier. we're fixing that finally

 

[Oublious]

Minister Yaşar Güler and UK Prime Minister Mr. Keir Starmer Examined the Eurofighter Aircraft

 

[BordoEnes]

God I feel violated. 8-10 billion dollars for 20 aircrafts, even with including maintenance, spare parts and training just seems like such a steep price to pay. This is Gulf Arab pricetag. For 40 it would be understandable but damn that is a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[GoatsMilk]

what happens if the british pull an american on us with the jets?

Also isnt the price crazy?

 

[UkroTurk]

Regarding the price, guys you all neglecting today's inflation and future inflation.

Look at the gold prices, usually need to calculate gold/ weapon ratio.

Don't compare ,10 year's ago price with today prices. Nowadays all currencies have lost value.
On the other hand anyone knows how much UK and Qatar paid for them?

Eurofighter Typhoon procurement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"5 April 2016, Kuwait signed a contract with Leonardo valued at €7.957 billion (US$9.062 billion) for the supply of the 28 aircraft, all to third tranche standard. The Kuwaiti aircraft will be the first Typhoons to receive the Captor-E "

Qatar buys 24 Eurofighter Typhoon jets in £6bn deal

The move will help safeguard thousands of jobs at BAE Systems, mainly at Warton in Lancashire.

www.bbc.com

In 2017:
" Qatar buys 24 Eurofighter Typhoon jets in £6bn deal"

 

[Sanchez]

Regarding the price, guys you all neglecting today's inflation and future inflation.
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Look at the gold prices, usually need to calculate gold/ weapon ratio.

Don't compare ,10 year's ago price with today prices. Nowadays all currencies have lost value.
On the other hand anyone knows how much UK and Qatar paid for them?

Eurofighter Typhoon procurement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"5 April 2016, Kuwait signed a contract with Leonardo valued at €7.957 billion (US$9.062 billion) for the supply of the 28 aircraft, all to third tranche standard. The Kuwaiti aircraft will be the first Typhoons to receive the Captor-E "

Qatar buys 24 Eurofighter Typhoon jets in £6bn deal

The move will help safeguard thousands of jobs at BAE Systems, mainly at Warton in Lancashire.

www.bbc.com

In 2017:
" Qatar buys 24 Eurofighter Typhoon jets in £6bn deal"

One could say that Gulf nations are not the best examples, but Italy was presented a bill of up to 8.1 billion USD for 24 Tranche 4s to replace their T1s last year.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/italy-spend-75-bln-euros-new-eurofighter-jets-document-shows-2024-07-08/