TR Air-Force EF Typhoon

[boredaf]

lets oversimplify things..... what will be initial total number of metors in our stocks? any number more than 2 metors per plane sounds a bit optimistic to me.... ı still think we hava a dangerously fragile supply chain concernig the Ef armament especially when we consider the time scale, as long as we operate EF we will be dependent.... and we are not talking about years but decades..... therefore, integration of our domestic armament options is VITAL

Why on earth would 2 per plane be optimistic? Initial numbers are obviously going to affected by production queues but MBDA increased its missile production by 30% last year and was going to increase it further this year.

MBDA a model more relevant than ever

European collaboration through MBDA has allowed nations access to decisive sovereign capabilities. MBDA has ramped-up production. In a rapidly changing world, MBDA is standing by its customer nations and armed forces to deliver on their needs.

www.mbda-systems.com

In 2024, missile output increased by 33% compared to 2023, and by 2025, the group will have doubled production compared to 2023. Key initiatives driving this acceleration includes continuing to invest €2.4 billion over the next five years (2025-2029) and a significant recruitment drive, with 2,500 new hires in 2024 and a target of 2,600 more in 2025.

Backlog is our only problem here, but if they keep increasing the production numbers, we shouldn't have big problems. And, we are a big purchaser, we wanted a 1000 or so a2a missiles from the US and we already had a stockpile of their missiles. And these sales are important for the company as well, especially since they are making these investments and compared to US based companies, their market is far smaller.

This is not to say implementing our own weaponry wouldn't be the best case scenario, it simply is, but we are not fucked if it doesn't happen like you imply.

 

[Sanchez]

I don't think the price is too high. Three things:

EF is expensive. It's a very expensive way of building a low volume high capacity aircraft, it has 4 countries actively building parts for it and 3 assembly lines, it's bad business.

This is the first time Turkey is getting European jet aircraft, which are different than American aircraft down to some very miniscule but important changes.

As outlined before, price is not even that high compared to other users:


And as a bonus, we already talked about how there's no MSRP for deals as complex as this; but one more thing to convey is the post covid inflation. USD and all the other currencies lost about 25 to 50% of their value in the last 15 years. 1 billion USD in 2010 is 1.5 billion now. F-35 costs are still considered using the 2012 USD for example, to make the calculation easier.

Güler agrees with me.

"The unit costs of the Eurofighter aircraft that Türkiye will acquire are at the same level as those of the countries included in the Eurofighter production consortium.

A significant portion of the contract price also consists of munition and mission equipment."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1999156322990776444

 

[boredaf]

Güler agrees with me.

"The unit costs of the Eurofighter aircraft that Türkiye will acquire are at the same level as those of the countries included in the Eurofighter production consortium.

A significant portion of the contract price also consists of munition and mission equipment."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1999156322990776444

Only people who were looking at the numbers without comparing them to other sales AND without thinking about how many munitions we would buy were complaining about the price. I said it at the time, we buy big. The number of munitions we wanted to buy from the US for F-16s were a good indication of what we might want and all those numbers were going to be added to our already existing stock.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Only people who were looking at the numbers without comparing them to other sales AND without thinking about how many munitions we would buy were complaining about the price. I said it at the time, we buy big. The number of munitions we wanted to buy from the US for F-16s were a good indication of what we might want and all those numbers were going to be added to our already existing stock.

Will we not be able to put our own munition onto those EFs?

 

[boredaf]

Will we not be able to put our own munition onto those EFs?

No idea, but, it doesn't matter really. Even if we could, we would buy a lot of missiles. We can use our missiles on F-16s and yet we still wanted to more than 1000 bombs and missiles. Eurofighter gives us access to missiles we never had before and we have no stockpiles, perfect opportunity to start building one.