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lets oversimplify things..... what will be initial total number of metors in our stocks? any number more than 2 metors per plane sounds a bit optimistic to me.... ı still think we hava a dangerously fragile supply chain concernig the Ef armament especially when we consider the time scale, as long as we operate EF we will be dependent.... and we are not talking about years but decades..... therefore, integration of our domestic armament options is VITAL
Why on earth would 2 per plane be optimistic? Initial numbers are obviously going to affected by production queues but MBDA increased its missile production by 30% last year and was going to increase it further this year.


In 2024, missile output increased by 33% compared to 2023, and by 2025, the group will have doubled production compared to 2023. Key initiatives driving this acceleration includes continuing to invest €2.4 billion over the next five years (2025-2029) and a significant recruitment drive, with 2,500 new hires in 2024 and a target of 2,600 more in 2025.

Backlog is our only problem here, but if they keep increasing the production numbers, we shouldn't have big problems. And, we are a big purchaser, we wanted a 1000 or so a2a missiles from the US and we already had a stockpile of their missiles. And these sales are important for the company as well, especially since they are making these investments and compared to US based companies, their market is far smaller.

This is not to say implementing our own weaponry wouldn't be the best case scenario, it simply is, but we are not fucked if it doesn't happen like you imply.
 

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I don't think the price is too high. Three things:

EF is expensive. It's a very expensive way of building a low volume high capacity aircraft, it has 4 countries actively building parts for it and 3 assembly lines, it's bad business.

This is the first time Turkey is getting European jet aircraft, which are different than American aircraft down to some very miniscule but important changes.

As outlined before, price is not even that high compared to other users:


And as a bonus, we already talked about how there's no MSRP for deals as complex as this; but one more thing to convey is the post covid inflation. USD and all the other currencies lost about 25 to 50% of their value in the last 15 years. 1 billion USD in 2010 is 1.5 billion now. F-35 costs are still considered using the 2012 USD for example, to make the calculation easier.
Güler agrees with me.

"The unit costs of the Eurofighter aircraft that Türkiye will acquire are at the same level as those of the countries included in the Eurofighter production consortium.

A significant portion of the contract price also consists of munition and mission equipment."

 

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Güler agrees with me.

"The unit costs of the Eurofighter aircraft that Türkiye will acquire are at the same level as those of the countries included in the Eurofighter production consortium.

A significant portion of the contract price also consists of munition and mission equipment."

Only people who were looking at the numbers without comparing them to other sales AND without thinking about how many munitions we would buy were complaining about the price. I said it at the time, we buy big. The number of munitions we wanted to buy from the US for F-16s were a good indication of what we might want and all those numbers were going to be added to our already existing stock.
 

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Only people who were looking at the numbers without comparing them to other sales AND without thinking about how many munitions we would buy were complaining about the price. I said it at the time, we buy big. The number of munitions we wanted to buy from the US for F-16s were a good indication of what we might want and all those numbers were going to be added to our already existing stock.
Will we not be able to put our own munition onto those EFs?
 

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Will we not be able to put our own munition onto those EFs?
No idea, but, it doesn't matter really. Even if we could, we would buy a lot of missiles. We can use our missiles on F-16s and yet we still wanted to more than 1000 bombs and missiles. Eurofighter gives us access to missiles we never had before and we have no stockpiles, perfect opportunity to start building one.
 

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Will we not be able to put our own munition onto those EFs?
Turkiye, will probably not buy any fighter planes if it can not have access to the codes to allow it to integrate home made munitions. That is a fact. It was most likely a non negotiable prerequisite of the agreement signed between UK and Turkiye.
There are certain munitions in the initial purchase contract that can not be replaced by any current Turkish munitions. Meteor missile is one of them. Although Gokbora and Gökhan are in development stage, there are still few years before they can be used.

Asraam missile is superior class short range missile with a longer range engagements than aim9x. Also being more lethal, it will bring a new capability to our airforce.

FeatureASRAAMAIM-9X
ManeuverabilityHigher-speed maneuvers, Mach 3.5Faster initial turn rate (80G), 180-degree off-boresight launch
RangeHigher effective range, ~25km (50km max)Lower effective range, 16-25km (35km max)
SeekerAdvanced, high-resolution imaging seekerAdvanced, but more susceptible to flares and decoys
WarheadLarger and more lethal warhead designed to penetrate aircraft skin and explode insideSmaller and less lethal warhead
SizeWider diameter (166mm vs 127mm), but more space for warhead, motor, and computing powerSmaller diameter, resulting in less space for warhead and motor

Brimstone-3 missile is a supersonic anti armour missile with sub1m CEP precision for fast moving targets and has a range of 65+km. This will add to the capability of our airforce.
 

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Güler agrees with me.

"The unit costs of the Eurofighter aircraft that Türkiye will acquire are at the same level as those of the countries included in the Eurofighter production consortium.

A significant portion of the contract price also consists of munition and mission equipment."


I am wondering how much of the P4E and LTE advancement will be channelled into Turkish jets. I assume two things will largely be there. ECRS Mk 2 and Praetorian eVo (next gen EuroDass). Also a task based management software update for new sensors will be implemented on existing mission computer.

However, the biggest thing on Phase 4 Enchancement cycle seems to be a new unified mission computer yielding a processing power 300 time higher than that of the existing one. Along with large area display, and new data links that supposed to allow '5th gen' like networking and sensor fusion. (Passive targeting, collaborative engagement) Some of technologies being developed under FCAS and GCAP will be implemented on this new architecture. (Like MUM-T) German trench 5 expected to feature this unified mission computer with delivery starting from 2031.
 

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I am wondering how much of the P4E and LTE advancement will be channelled into Turkish jets. I assume two things will largely be there. ECRS Mk 2 and Praetorian eVo (next gen EuroDass). Also a task based management software update for new sensors will be implemented on existing mission computer.

However, the biggest thing on Phase 4 Enchancement cycle seems to be a new unified mission computer yielding a processing power 300 time higher than that of the existing one. Along with large area display, and new data links that supposed to allow '5th gen' like networking and sensor fusion. (Passive targeting, collaborative engagement) Some of technologies being developed under FCAS and GCAP will be implemented on this new architecture. (Like MUM-T) German trench 5 expected to feature this unified mission computer with delivery starting from 2031.
We don't really know what the fresh build Turkish Typhoons will look like, nor do we really know the delivery timeline. We only have "they will be brand new". But, Tranche 5 production did not start yet. Neither is Mk2 radar ready for production. If we go for that route, first brand new planes won't be delivered before early 2030s.

To be honest I'm more interested in the make up and future development of the existing Qatari and Omani jets. Per Güler, Qatari jets will come in early 2026, only few months; with Omani jets probably coming later after being "serviced" first.

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Yup, we have the basic timeline covered, but no details whatsoever.

"The Turkish government has established a clear path for Eurofighter Typhoon delivery which includes using Qatar and Oman aircraft until British manufacturers start delivering their new production models. The Ministry of National Defence states that this agreement follows the terms which President Erdoğan established during the signing event.

According to the ministry, the 12 aircraft to be procured from Qatar will be delivered after the contract signing, while the 12 aircraft from Oman will arrive following a modernisation process. No information has been released regarding the duration or cost of these upgrades. The interim fleet is expected to sustain airpower availability until UK-assembled Typhoons begin joining the Turkish Air Force inventory."

 
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Lovely reporting from TurDef.

UK Embassy Details Türkiye’s Eurofighter Timeline and Rights​


The UK Embassy in Ankara has given TurDef full written answers about Türkiye's plans to buy 20 Eurofighter Typhoon planes. This is the first formal timetable marker and numerous policy-level confirmations. While some issues remain undisclosed due to multinational sensitivities, the answers outline a clear political framework for Türkiye’s entry into the Eurofighter community.

The Embassy verified that the first delivery of planes to Türkiye is planned in 2030. This is the only official timeframe for the program. There was no more information given on early or late 2030 delivery or contingency margins. This suggests that the government is still arranging the order of production rather than the industry making an announcement.

The Embassy also noted that the aircraft configuration has been finalised
, confirming that the capability package is politically settled even though the underlying Tranche designation has not been disclosed.

On radar, the Embassy declined to specify whether Türkiye will receive the ECRS Mk1 or Mk2 standard. It noted that “conversations between Oman and Türkiye are ongoing,” signalling that radar decisions are intertwined with wider export considerations among Eurofighter users. The Embassy did not address whether radar choice affects production time or programme cost.

Regarding weapons, the Embassy reaffirmed that Meteor is included
and provided two strategic clarifications absent from industry responses. First, it stated: “Türkiye has made their intent clear. The UK will work with Türkiye to achieve the best possible outcome,” signalling political openness to the integration of Turkish air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons. Second, it confirmed that Türkiye may export its sovereign systems to other Eurofighter nations, a policy position that could expand Türkiye’s industrial role beyond national use.

On sustainment, the Embassy stated that a separate follow-on contract will define long-term maintenance, overhaul, EW/MDF infrastructure and training. This confirms a two-phase model: aircraft and initial weapons under the first agreement, and lifecycle support under a second, still-to-be-negotiated framework.

The Embassy also provided a comprehensive description of the UK’s role in Eurofighter production. It noted that around one-third of major aircraft components—such as the front fuselage, tail section and spine tank—are produced at Samlesbury. Ongoing German, Spanish and Italian orders will keep UK Typhoon production active into the next decade. However, the Embassy did not comment on whether Warton’s production tempo could affect Türkiye’s delivery speed or cost, leaving industrial pacing questions unanswered.

One of the most consequential confirmations concerned operational sovereignty. The Embassy stated that Typhoon provides operators with sovereign control of mission data, enabling Türkiye to generate and update its own mission-data files and EW libraries. This level of access—rare in modern fighter exports—indicates full national authority over electronic-warfare reprogramming and tactical configuration.

Together, the Embassy’s responses form the clearest political outline yet of Türkiye’s Eurofighter package: a confirmed configuration, a stated first delivery year, openness to integrating Turkish weapons, permission to export sovereign systems, a defined two-phase sustainment structure, and sovereign control of mission data. While radar variant, Tranche details and cost-timing linkages remain undisclosed, the governmental foundation of the programme is now far more visible.


Still many details are missing with no clear remarks from officials as Orko commented:

•" Maintenance and repair capability: A separate contract is required. Later.
• Offset? Domestic contribution? If it's in the cards, it may happen.
• National weapons integration? What is that?"

 

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On sustainment, the Embassy stated that a separate follow-on contract will define long-term maintenance, overhaul, EW/MDF infrastructure and training. This confirms a two-phase model: aircraft and initial weapons under the first agreement, and lifecycle support under a second, still-to-be-negotiated framework.

This part is not likeable. Considering $7.1 billions being the size of the primary contract for 20 aircrafts only.

That should have included training and sustainment (at least for some years initially) don't you think?
 

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This part is not likeable. Considering $7.1 billions being the size of the primary contract for 20 aircrafts only.

That should have included training and sustainment (at least for some years initially) don't you think?
You're not disagreeing with the quote there.

5.4B GBP includes aircraft, weapons and "integration":

"The UK Government has announced a c.£5.4 billion agreement with the Republic of Türkiye for the purchase of 20 Typhoon aircraft and an associated weapons and integration package"

Meanwhile lifecycle support for the about entire 20-40 year service life of the aircraft will be subject to another agreement. The real details we want to see like MRO capability in house will be on that second deal. Re the training part, we don't know what kind of arrangement will they follow. Will we see a joint TurAF/Qatari or TurAF/RAF fleet like we saw in Qatar?
 

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