TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Defence Industry Enjoyer]

May some1 elaborate on why Turkey acquiring such jets will be beneficial to Turkey? I would understand if it is a transport aircraft; however, it seems to be more geared towards small business jets that Turkey may not need

Needed types of aircraft:

Fighter
Cargo
Air to Air Refuel
Trainer
EW
CAS
Testbed
Sea Patrol
Fire fighting

Type of aircraft that is easy to acquire and develop modifications. Business jets.

Why use limited funds to develop a biz jet when rather can be used to develop modifications for existing proven platforms that is suitable, like Gulfstream and Bombardier.

We would make more money selling special mission aircraft modification then the whole span of the business jet venture.

I much rather having turboprop dual-use aircraft project or innovative project like hybrid, electric aircraft.

It could be political decision tbh

 

[Nutuk]

May some1 elaborate on why Turkey acquiring such jets will be beneficial to Turkey? I would understand if it is a transport aircraft; however, it seems to be more geared towards small business jets that Turkey may not need

Not sure but there can be things going on we do not know about.

Suppose TAI is also purchasing Ivchenko progress (just hypothetically) than you could manufacture business jets with Ukrainian engines cheaper than existing business jet producers and take a piece of that market.

Secondly before jumping into big passenger aircraft or regional jets one needs to make a bit of a name, better to make name with business jets first

These are the reasons I can imagine

 

[Huelague]

May some1 elaborate on why Turkey acquiring such jets will be beneficial to Turkey? I would understand if it is a transport aircraft; however, it seems to be more geared towards small business jets that Turkey may not need

Türkiye is reaching 'level 5', so US is offering level 4-5. Can you follow me?

 

[Cypro]

May some1 elaborate on why Turkey acquiring such jets will be beneficial to Turkey? I would understand if it is a transport aircraft; however, it seems to be more geared towards small business jets that Turkey may not need

This is not just buying a small jet company, if TAI is going to be parent company, then that means TAI products will be available to USA. And TAI will have its first commercial jet product line.. alongside engineers, a factory, probably patents and know-how. Smart move IMO

Besides, after pandemic business jet industry is booming.

 

[Fairon]

May some1 elaborate on why Turkey acquiring such jets will be beneficial to Turkey? I would understand if it is a transport aircraft; however, it seems to be more geared towards small business jets that Turkey may not need

If I have to guess, that would be because business jets are highly customizable. You can use them in many different configurations. Just add different electronic/radar/intellegence suits and use them as you wish. You can also use them as testbeds as well.

It also may grant revenue on the side for selling civillian aircraft.

 

[TheInsider]

If I have to guess, that would be because business jets are highly customizable. You can use them in many different configurations. Just add different electronic/radar/intellegence suits and use them as you wish. You can also use them as testbeds as well.

It also may grant revenue on the side for selling civillian aircraft.

It also brings experience and capability in developing a passenger jet.

 

[Defence Industry Enjoyer]

According to Twitter, TAI Is not funding the acquisition. Multiple private persons are planning to acquire the company.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1527927319343648768

 

[Agha Sher]

SyberJet's aircrafts can also be used for military purposes. They are openly marketing them for military applications.

 

[Combat-Master]

SyberJet's aircrafts can also be used for military purposes. They are openly marketing them for military applications.

It's ideal for training pilots for multi-engine aircrafts, but for any other tasks it's far too small..

 

[Fairon]

It also brings experience and capability in developing a passenger jet.

I don't think developing a passenger jet is worth to trouble. Creating a worldwide logistic supply chain for spare parts to keep the aircrafts flying is difficult and porbably too costly.

Like Bombardier CSeries. Imo they created the perfect aircraft for its class but they realized they don't have the ability or capital to establish logistics chain. And we are talking abouy Bombardier, they had a lot of experience in the field. It is one of the reason that they sold the program to Airbus. (Delta and Boeing thing also had and effect but in reality they realized they won't be able to supply the aircrafts with parts in time) Until Airbus integrated the aircraft in its supply chain some of the Cseries aircraft stay grounded due to lack of parts from time to time. (Air Baltic was vocal about it and they really loved Cseries)

Another example is Sukhoi Superjets. They were good aircrafts for its time and they managed to sell some aircraft to airlines from Belgium and Mexico but again due to lack of parts aircrafts stayed on the ground for weeks. These kind of things are unacceptable in aviation business. Even couple of hour delays potentially criple your operation. So the jet didn't sell outside of Russia and even airlines from Russia were not keen of buying them.

It sounds easy but it is really difficult and expansive to establish on the clock worldwide logistics for commercial aircraft. Your troubles only begining to start after you build the aircraft

So I don't think we should focus on that, it is a high risk low reward project and a money sink for a loong long time.

 

[Zafer]

If you want to make a small fortune in aviation start with a big one

 

[Zafer]

MIUS / Kızılelma has a monocoque shell body while Hürjet has rivets all over it. I wonder if it is just because it does not need to be stealthy and rivets are better otherwise. AFAIK although it is riveted the skin sections are composite all the same.

 

[MADDOG]

MIUS / Kızılelma has a monocoque shell body while Hürjet has rivets all over it. I wonder if it is just because it does not need to be stealthy and rivets are better otherwise. AFAIK although it is riveted the skin sections are composite all the same.

I assume it's easier to work with (it's less risky) . Having single piece composites is better for sure. But again, it's not a stealth aircraft. Hurkus looks exactly the same way, with rivets all over the place.

 

[TheInsider]

F-35 has rivets too if you look at its close-up shots. F-35 uses special rivets which create a smoother surface compared to normal rivets. After fastening the rivets a special filler/putty is applied on top of the rough areas caused by rivets to make the surface silky smooth.

 

[Zafer]

F-35 has rivets too if you look at its close-up shots. F-35 uses special rivets which create a smoother surface compared to normal rivets. After fastening the rivets a special filler/putty is applied on top of the rough areas caused by rivets to make the surface silky smooth.

That is called countersunk rivets that goes flush with the surface.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The Best F-16 Fighter On the Planet Isn't in the U.S. Air Force

There are many different variations on the classic F-15 Falcon fighter jet. However, the UAE might have the best F-16 ever.

www.19fortyfive.com

Interesting article about the UAE F16V60 planes.
The engines of these planes are overhauled and maintained by TEI. They develop 32500lbf thrust. With the Apg80 radar and IRST system it has, this bird is probably the most capable f16 around.
However I would like to see how well Aselsan’s GaN based Aesa radar will perform when compared to this one and the SABR Apg83 radar on the V70 version we want to buy 120 of.
On paper and theoretically our Aesa should outperform most GaAs based radars. But how much of a compromise we have had to accept with respect to performance versus heat control and power output will be interesting to see.
I guess to have 120 of your fighters lined up to be fully compatible with NATO standards is logical. To have the rest of your f16s fitted with electronics only you know the capability of , is an advantage one can not sneer at.
Performance of the Aselsan’s f16/ radar will show us a glimpse of what we can expect from the TFX’s Aesa radar.

 

[Brave Janissary]

After the Greece buying rafales and possible F-35 sale looks like wewill be in the disadvantage againts greek.

On the other hand we have a problems with usa about f-16V, f-35's etc. And last one Ef-2000 is not itar-free and have many other problems.

From my side most logical move from us (attention its not solution just most logical move) return to us and increase internal capabilities.

1-) Creating a stealth jet who can carry aesa radar and capable to use bvr aa weapon. (contrary to f-35's stealth ranged bvr attack capabilty)- also dont forget we already have a capabilty launch a bvr missile from a platform with help of another platform guidance and radar.

2-)

Are there any posibilty about next gen more air to air concantrated F-16 Solution ?

Nowadays 4.5 th gen air superiorty fighters comes with good radar range , Aesa radar and irst, esm, advanced air to air missiles , good aa missiles carrying quantity, maneuvrabilty and range/endurance in the air.

As I know F-16 in the begining is a light tactical Fighter not multirole or bomber. And also we know that F-16 is have good thrust to weight ratio and climb rate performance when compared other west 4-4.5 gen fighters when clean configuration.

So if we are add a 2x 200+ gallon cft's for extra fuell and incraese his AA weapon amount to 6x Amraam/Gökhan/Gökdoğan + 2x Aim-9x/ Bozdoğan Also Aesa +İrst+ Mehpod ( A ED system againts a bvr missiles who targeted f-16's) + decoy target capability and esm capability can be convert f-16 very capable fighter aircraft.

3-) Finalize to MMU
4-) İntagrate to UCAVS AND USV's to Anadolu like drone motherships and use hims againts enemy penetration strike roles.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Imail Demir: The ground tests of HÜRJET will start towards the end of this year.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Mr Imail Demir: The ground tests of HÜRJET will start towards the end of this year.

Wasn’t the first flight scheduled towards the last quarter of 2022 ?

 

[Heartbang]

Wasn’t the first flight scheduled towards the last quarter of 2022 ?

1st flight is scheduled for march 18th, 2023. 2 flying prototypes, 1 static prototype and 1 load fatigue prototype to be delivered by the end of 2022.