TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[No Name]

I thought this might interest some of you as you discussed him a few days back.

 

[YeşilVatan]

I thought this might interest some of you as you discussed him a few days back.

Great video. Can anyone point me at some channels like this?

 

[Bürküt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646541243038539777

Foreign Minister Çavuşoğlu: "We want to combine it with the new wide-ranging joint projects and success stories we have started with Egypt"

Foreign Minister Çavuşoğlu: "From now on, we are in closer cooperation (with Egypt) on Libya"

Egyptian Foreign Minister Shukri: "We have a strong political will behind us, for the further activation of Turkey-Egypt relations and their rise in all fields"

Shukri: "We have a common will (with Turkey) regarding Libya. We agree on the establishment of a government that will reflect the will of the people and the preservation of Libya's territorial integrity"

 

[No Name]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646541243038539777

Foreign Minister Çavuşoğlu: "We want to combine it with the new wide-ranging joint projects and success stories we have started with Egypt"

Foreign Minister Çavuşoğlu: "From now on, we are in closer cooperation (with Egypt) on Libya"

Egyptian Foreign Minister Shukri: "We have a strong political will behind us, for the further activation of Turkey-Egypt relations and their rise in all fields"

Shukri: "We have a common will (with Turkey) regarding Libya. We agree on the establishment of a government that will reflect the will of the people and the preservation of Libya's territorial integrity"

The last line about territorial integrity is really interesting I wonder what he means.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

The restore of ties between Turkey and the GCC/Egypt is a good step for both parties. How it will work i have no idea since both Turkey, and Saudi wants to be regional leaders. Wish the best!

 

[Bürküt]

Relations between Egypt and Türkiye should not have been this bad. We experienced these because of the bad policies of the government in Turkey.After the election, relations will improve I hope. Opposition leader Akşener has been blaming the government for bad relations with Egypt for a while.What do you think @Knowledgeseeker as an Arab? After the government changes in Turkey, do Egypt come to an agreement with Turkey on the continental shelf? Or have we lost Egypt completely against Greece?

 

[Sanchez]

Don't know how FoPo will fare post elections but one thing to consider. So far with both Israel and Egypt, their leaders always also met with their Greek counterparts before or after they met with ours. They're keeping Greece in loop, which is just smart for them.

 

[Afif]

Relations between Egypt and Türkiye should not have been this bad. We experienced these because of the bad policies of the government in Turkey.After the election, relations will improve I hope. Opposition leader Akşener has been blaming the government for bad relations with Egypt for a while.What do you think @Knowledgeseeker as an Arab? After the government changes in Turkey, do Egypt come to an agreement with Turkey on the continental shelf? Or have we lost Egypt completely against Greece?

Bro, i think we should ask @Knowledgeseeker opinion as individual, not an Arab.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Bro, i think we should ask @Knowledgeseeker opinion as individual, not an Arab.

I don't think he meant to offend the guy. Many of us can't follow arabic media because of the language barrier. I also would like to know the opinion of someone who knows arabic.

 

[Bürküt]

Bro, i think we should ask @Knowledgeseeker opinion as individual, not an Arab.

Since I don't know much about the views of the Arab community on this issue, I asked in this way so that there is no misunderstanding .If I hadn't forgotten Arabic, I would have tried to get ideas from Arabic sources. Even if I hadn't forgotten, it would be very difficult to read without words as a "Turk" @Afif .

 

[Lool]

Relations between Egypt and Türkiye should not have been this bad. We experienced these because of the bad policies of the government in Turkey.After the election, relations will improve I hope. Opposition leader Akşener has been blaming the government for bad relations with Egypt for a while.What do you think @Knowledgeseeker as an Arab? After the government changes in Turkey, do Egypt come to an agreement with Turkey on the continental shelf? Or have we lost Egypt completely against Greece?

You are wrong about Egypt's foreign policy which mainly stems from the unawarness of Egypt's political atmosphere. I know a lot of Arabs so I have an idea about the predicament Egypt faces

First of all, I do agree that Erdogan's policy towards Egypt has been a mistake; however, only after El-Sisi won in the elections of 2014 which gave him the democratic legitimacy

Secondly, Egypt didnt hate Turkey out of nowhere; El-Sisi wanted gurantees from Turkey that Erdogan will support his tenure no matter what which Erdogan strictly refused as this is undemocratic amd honestly, Erdogan does have a point in this sole instance regarding Egypt

Thirdly, Egyptian military is heavily influenced by Russia, USA, and FRANCE! thus, the well-being of the top political/military administrators of Egypt depends on these nations as their sole lifeline since the people will kill El-Sisi if they ever got the chance. That is why I dont think that Egyptian military will sacrifice their lifeline for Turkey no matter who rules it

Fourth, the Egyptian military administrators arent really rulong for the sake of the Egyptians tbh; the recent maritime deal between Egypt and Israel in which Egypt gave control of some of its territories to Israel, as well as the sale of Tiran and Sanafir islands to KSA (which acts as the gateway to the main economic lifeline to Suez canal) and finally the permittance of Ethiopia to build its own dam which literally placed the only source of fresh water to 110 million Egyptians at stake

Fifth is the economy. Under El-Sisi, Egyptian economy crashed so hard, corruption runs rampant, and the military nearly controls everything. In just 9 years of his rule, the currency devaluated and the Egyptian foreign debt skyrcoketed to unimaginable levels to a point that El-Sisi financial backers such as KSA, UAE, and Bahrain are actually keeping their distanc away from him

The only reasons Egypt is making amends with Turkey rn is for 2 main reasons
1- Money; the Egyptian govt is begging even the poorest nations for any dollar they can provide. Turkey has a lot of money either in foreign assets belong to the govt (~250 billion dollars) or state-owned gold (~500 tonnes) either of which can remove Egypt's debts and problems in an instant

2- to avoid direct confrontation with Turkey. With Egypt's main backers UAE and KSA on better realtions with Turkey and Russia entangled in the Ukrainian war, Egypt is left alone to fight against the Turkish armed forces in Libya which Egypt can ever ever win alone. With Turkey's daily advancements in defence fields and Egypt's stagnation, the top brass of the Egyptian military wants to avoid confrontations that can erase the Egyptian military which theynhave been boasting about in the media

To give you just an idea about how screwed up Egypt is, The Egyptian central bank offers the highest interest rate at 19% worldwide and yet their currency is devaluating at a higher rate than the Turkish lira which has a negative interest rate, compared to inflation, and stands at a meager 8%

 

[Heartbang]

Foreign Minister Çavuşoğlu: "From now on, we are in closer cooperation (with Egypt) on Libya"

Egyptian Foreign Minister Shukri: "We have a strong political will behind us, for the further activation of Turkey-Egypt relations and their rise in all fields"

Shukri: "We have a common will (with Turkey) regarding Libya. We agree on the establishment of a government that will reflect the will of the people and the preservation of Libya's territorial integrity"

As long as they keep the TR-LY EEZ agreement, I'm game. The signals that came from Libya about that was a bit shaky in the recent times. Its time to put the house in the order.

 

[Ryder]

Egypts hostility to Turkiye stems because of that piece of shit called Gamal Nasser.

For decades they worked against us.

Only Morsi seems to have been alright but still did not bother to take Turkish relations further and kept it the same pretty deluded of Erdogan to sway Egypt to Turkish influence a stupid miscalculation.

North Africa like Tunisia, Algeria, Libya and Morocco are key to Africa.

 

[Ryder]

As long as they keep the TR-LY EEZ agreement, I'm game. The signals that came from Libya about that was a bit shaky in the recent times. Its time to put the house in the order.

I doubt it as Egypt supported the Greeks in the Cyprus crisis.

You are talking about a country that banned the Fez hat because it represented backwards Turkish imperialism to them.

Egypt has overall been pretty much hostile hence why Turkiye and Egypt have never had proper relations.

Erdogan betted on the Muslim brotherhood to turn things around but they were just as incompetent as their predecssors.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Bro, i think we should ask @Knowledgeseeker opinion as individual, not an Arab.

Haha all good brother but in Morocco we have Arabs, sahrawis, and different types of Amazigh/Berber groups. In Morocco, we actually do speak "darija" that's kind of far from classical Arabic.

Relations between Egypt and Türkiye should not have been this bad. We experienced these because of the bad policies of the government in Turkey.After the election, relations will improve I hope. Opposition leader Akşener has been blaming the government for bad relations with Egypt for a while.What do you think @Knowledgeseeker as an Arab? After the government changes in Turkey, do Egypt come to an agreement with Turkey on the continental shelf? Or have we lost Egypt completely against Greece?

The cut of ties between Egypt, and Turkey had many different factors. Many claims that it was all because of the brotherhood support that Turkey gave to Egypt under Morsi, and after the coup attempt against Morsi. However, if we look into it we can find many different factors that play a role in the bad relations between Turkey, and GCC-Egypt. First of all, you have the status quo in the region where the 2 big powers Turkey, and Saudi clash. Then you have the support that Turkey gave Qatar that angered the whole GCC-Egypt axis. The only thing I can blame the Turkish state for is perhaps how they handled their relations with Egypt condemning the coup attempt publically and creating a media war between the 2 countries. Rather than that, I don't see that Turkey has shown any hostility towards Egypt except for promoting its influence in Syria, and Libya.

The normalization between Turkey, and the Arab states is a coordinated step by Saudi followed by the rest of their neighbors, and that's why you see that Saudi-UAE-Egypt has all normalized their relations with Turkey in a span of 12 months after a decade-long dispute. It seems for the movement that the parties have found a middle ground, and the relations will improve regardless if a new government comes to Turkey, or not.

 

[Heartbang]

I doubt it as Egypt supported the Greeks in the Cyprus crisis.

I have my doubts as well.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Egypts hostility to Turkiye stems because of that piece of shit called Gamal Nasser.

For decades they worked against us.

Only Morsi seems to have been alright but still did not bother to take Turkish relations further and kept it the same pretty deluded of Erdogan to sway Egypt to Turkish influence a stupid miscalculation.

North Africa like Tunisia, Algeria, Libya and Morocco are key to Africa.

Turkey and Morocco could do huge cooperation in many different fields. However I feel like we have not yet broken the ice even if our trade volume is 4 billion USD, and Turkey provided us with TB2, and Koral EW. Our relations span over 500 years since the times of the Mamluk, and even more in-depth during the Ottoman times. At one point we fought against each other and had different interest however mutual respect between the 2 states have always been there. If Turkey wants a strong ally that will be here today, but also tomorrow then Morocco is the right choice. We are the gateway to Africa and Europe. With all humbleness I would not wish Turkey to become strategic allies with the other countries you mentioned, they are in turmoil and very unreliable states.

 

[Bürküt]

Turkey and Morocco could do huge cooperation in many different fields. However I feel like we have not yet broken the ice even if our trade volume is 4 billion USD, and Turkey provided us with TB2, and Koral EW. Our relations span over 500 years since the times of the Mamluk, and even more in-depth during the Ottoman times. At one point we fought against each other and had different interest however mutual respect between the 2 states have always been there. If Turkey wants a strong ally that will be here today, but also tomorrow then Morocco is the right choice. We are the gateway to Africa and Europe. With all humbleness I would not wish Turkey to become strategic allies with the other countries you mentioned, they are in turmoil and very unreliable states.

Even if Turkey will not a strategic ally with these countries, I think we should keep the relations at a good level.I would prefer them to be with us on Libya issues than they be against us.Turkey may want to disturb France, (which is trying to put us in a difficult situation in the Eastern Mediterranean) through Algeria.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Even if Turkey will not a strategic ally with these countries, I think we should keep the relations at a good level.I would prefer them to be with us on Libya issues than they be against us.Turkey may want to disturb France, (which is trying to put us in a difficult situation in the Eastern Mediterranean) through Algeria.

100 % Turkey should keep good relations with all the states in the region. Yes, the power fight is taking place all over Africa, and France is definitely losing its influence across the continent. If Turkey would want to disturb France, Morocco would be the perfect partner in Africa. Algeria to disturb France? Brother, i don't think you are aware of the geopolitical reality on the ground for the past 50 + years in North Africa. If you want to talk about it more specifically we can take it on the private chat to not derail the thread..

 

[Ripley]

As long as they keep the TR-LY EEZ agreement, I'm game. The signals that came from Libya about that was a bit shaky in the recent times. Its time to put the house in the order.

Exactly!
The EEZ agreement between Turkey and Libya must always be observed as the mainstay of Turkish foreign policy by all governments.
Remember, this geostrategic ‘leap’ from classical Turkish ‘reactive’ foreign policy stand was not our doing.
This EEZ thing came to this world after an unwanted pregnancy. Turkey was merely a midwife here and we all know who the parents were.
Now Turkey actively must take care of this new geopolitical goal at any cost because if we let it go the lost will not be limited to loss of soft power in the region but it will practically shackle us to littoral waters of Aegean Sea. Just remember the league that was formed against Turkey which in time rapidly turned into an undeclared loosely organized political alliance with the main goal of diminishing Turkey’s vital life lines.
When you add the semi openly dictated US desire and - not to mention - behind the closed doors efforts to dysfunctionalize the Montreux Convention at the same time, again by her, to turn the Black Sea into a “NATO Sea” channeling through NATO (unadmittedly, nothing but a US sea zone to choke Russia in practice), it’s really not hard to appreciate the vitality of this particular EEZ for Turkey.

And a word about Egypt.
I never understood how can any government in the region can afford to ignore Egypt no matter how messed up she is.