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Gonna be even worse if South American gangs are operating in Turkey itself. You absolutely do not want the likes of MS-13 on Turkish streets. El Salvador had to pretty much declare total martial law to stop them. And Turkish weapons in the hands of South American criminals is just going to destroy whatever positive relations Turkey has with countries there.
 

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Gonna be even worse if South American gangs are operating in Turkey itself. You absolutely do not want the likes of MS-13 on Turkish streets. El Salvador had to pretty much declare total martial law to stop them. And Turkish weapons in the hands of South American criminals is just going to destroy whatever positive relations Turkey has with countries there.

I wonder how Turkish military weapons are being traded on the black market like this
 

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I wonder how Turkish military weapons are being traded on the black market like this
Those are not Turkish military weapons. Those are Turkish-made handguns and shottys made for US domestic market that has made their way into the hands of the narco-gangs.
If there's a military who should be worrying, its the US army. Those AR's have US ARMY written all over them.
 

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Those are not Turkish military weapons. Those are Turkish-made handguns and shottys made for US domestic market that has made their way into the hands of the narco-gangs.
If there's a military who should be worrying, its the US army. Those AR's have US ARMY written all over them.

Another point is all PKK terrorists armed by USA with US weapons not only guns but Air defence systems, APCs etc.
 

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Another point is all PKK terrorists armed by USA with US weapons not only guns but Air defence systems, APCs etc.
Exactly. The US is giving 800k $ Javelin missiles to PKK, just like that. If Türkiye was actually arming the narco-gangs, they'd do so like this.
Gonna be even worse if South American gangs are operating in Turkey itself. You absolutely do not want the likes of MS-13 on Turkish streets.
MS-13 was originally established to protect the El Salvadorian immigrants in Los Angeles area. Do we even have an El Salvadorian immigrant population?!

You and @Bozan are killing me with this overqualified mankurt's slanderous tweets. He's clearly high on his farts.
 

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Exactly. The US is giving 800k $ Javelin missiles to PKK, just like that. If Türkiye was actually arming the narco-gangs, they'd do so like this.

MS-13 was originally established to protect the El Salvadorian immigrants in Los Angeles area. Do we even have an El Salvadorian immigrant population?!

You and @Bozan are killing me with this overqualified mankurt's slanderous tweets. He's clearly high on his farts.
Many MS-13 members were deported to South America and quickly spread there. They are an international organization now and pretty damn dangerous.

It also doesn't matter that the gangs are being given generic civilian arms intended for export instead of proper military hardware. The point is that they are Turkish-made and that makes for bad optics.
 

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Many MS-13 members were deported to South America and quickly spread there. They are an international organization now and pretty damn dangerous.

It also doesn't matter that the gangs are being given generic civilian arms intended for export instead of proper military hardware. The point is that they are Turkish-made and that makes for bad optics.
Your statement about MS-13 doesn't make sense since they can't spread in Türkiye, unless there are plans to deport them to Türkiye which I am unaware off.

Regarding the weapons I think it's close to impossible to completely stop them from using them since it's easy to acquire them through the USA but I agree that the use of these have to be reduced to a minimum as well as possible.
 

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It also doesn't matter that the gangs are being given generic civilian arms intended for export instead of proper military hardware. The point is that they are Turkish-made and that makes for bad optics.
As I pointed out before, nobody's giving no one weapons. Cease your subversive narrative.
 

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As I pointed out before, nobody's giving no one weapons. Cease your subversive narrative.
Then how did they get them? Perhaps they were "given" them in exchange for the drug products they peddle? It's not subversive to point out that this will seriously impact Turkey's reputation in South America. They view these gangs down there about as positively as Turkey views the PKK.
Your statement about MS-13 doesn't make sense since they can't spread in Türkiye, unless there are plans to deport them to Türkiye which I am unaware off.

Regarding the weapons I think it's close to impossible to completely stop them from using them since it's easy to acquire them through the USA but I agree that the use of these have to be reduced to a minimum as well as possible.
If Turkey is becoming a safe haven for drug-related crime, they can establish bases of operation there. MS-13 started out as a smaller gang but they are pretty international nowadays.
 

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Then how did they get them? Perhaps they were "given" them in exchange for the drug products they peddle? It's not subversive to point out that this will seriously impact Turkey's reputation in South America. They view these gangs down there about as positively as Turkey views the PKK.
Like I said before, those guns are destined for US domestic market. Those narco-gangs are notorious for screwing with international container ships.
They buy the crews in and do midnight container swaps out on the open ocean.
These are well-documented troubles.

Fun fact: this is also how North Korea breaks the oil embargo enforced upon them.
 

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Then how did they get them? Perhaps they were "given" them in exchange for the drug products they peddle? It's not subversive to point out that this will seriously impact Turkey's reputation in South America. They view these gangs down there about as positively as Turkey views the PKK.
I'm sure that you are aware of the fact that anyone can purchase semiautomatic weapons over the counter in USA. So, if someone needs cheap and darn good weapons then they go and get turkish stuff. No need or even will to give free weapons to cartels.

However, if you are looking for a group which are famous for weapons and drug smuggling then look no further than your favorite western terrorist organization PKK financed by CIA.
 

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Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu:

"(Syrians) We are entering into an engagement with the regime, we have taken a decision for the infrastructure of this. Why did I go to Russia for a meeting in Moscow during the election time. We discussed the issue of migration there. We are preparing the road map for this."

"Syrian Kurds in Turkiye do not want to return to where there is terrorism (PKK-DAESH). It would not be right to send them without co-operating with Assad."

"(Syria) We agreed on the road map. The committee will prepare the road map and present it to us."


/facepalm/

Unless the areas cleared from terrorist organisations are physically united and this line is stay under the command of the Turkish Armed Forces, all this is nothing more than selling dreams. First, unfinished business must be completed. Terrorism must be destroyed at its source. These table-top stalling processes only further complicate the process.

The property of millions of Syrians was seized, their lands were expelled and the regime planned a settlement there in accordance with its ideology. The idea of squeezing the 25% of the Syrian population who are outside the country today into completely encircled areas that cannot stand on their own economically is very stupid, no one will volunteer, even if you give them houses and businesses for free. Because most of them have already made a new life for themselves. Sending them back to isolated areas may be forced, not voluntary. These zones will only provide relief for refugees already in Syria and which are mostly lives in tents and containers, mostly on the TR borders and in Idlib provinces, until the line is completed and the appropriate economic and bureaucratic structure is established.

There is a Cyprus experience in our past. And while there were great determination and struggles in that experience, the steps we hesitated to take, the results of the strategies we failed to achieve or planned incorrectly had repercussions even 50 years later. This time, the consequences of the mistakes to be made will be incomparably greater than in Cyprus. Because there is a big difference in scale, but most importantly, Cyprus was the extension of the Mainland and the part of the same nation abroad. The rupture of Syria, on the other hand, is a very different story; the common national consciousness was lost long ago and there is no unity of language and culture. You cannot retreat militarily until you have established a firm foothold.

Therefore, the precondition for the regime is the cessation of the existence of the TAF. If you abandon an unfinished and incomplete plan, you cannot ignore the danger of falling further behind than where you started.
 
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Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu:

"(Syrians) We are entering into an engagement with the regime, we have taken a decision for the infrastructure of this. Why did I go to Russia for a meeting in Moscow during the election time. We discussed the issue of migration there. We are preparing the road map for this."

"Syrian Kurds in Turkiye do not want to return to where there is terrorism (PKK-DAESH). It would not be right to send them without co-operating with Assad."

"(Syria) We agreed on the road map. The committee will prepare the road map and present it to us."


/facepalm/

Unless the areas cleared from terrorist organisations are physically united and this line is stay under the command of the Turkish Armed Forces, all this is nothing more than selling dreams. First, unfinished business must be completed. Terrorism must be destroyed at its source. These table-top stalling processes only further complicate the process.

The property of millions of Syrians was seized, their lands were expelled and the regime planned a settlement there in accordance with its ideology. The idea of squeezing the 25% of the Syrian population who are outside the country today into completely encircled areas that cannot stand on their own economically is very stupid, no one will volunteer, even if you give them houses and businesses for free. Because most of them have already made a new life for themselves. Sending them back to isolated areas may be forced, not voluntary. These zones will only provide relief for refugees already in Syria and which are mostly lives in tents and containers, mostly on the TR borders and in Idlib provinces, until the line is completed and the appropriate economic and bureaucratic structure is established.

There is a Cyprus experience in our past. And while there were great determination and struggles in that experience, the steps we hesitated to take, the results of the strategies we failed to achieve or planned incorrectly had repercussions even 50 years later. This time, the consequences of the mistakes to be made will be incomparably greater than in Cyprus. Because there is a big difference in scale, but most importantly, Cyprus was the extension of the Mainland and the part of the same nation abroad. The rupture of Syria, on the other hand, is a very different story; the common national consciousness was lost long ago and there is no unity of language and culture. You cannot retreat militarily until you have established a firm foothold.

Therefore, the precondition for the regime is the cessation of the existence of the TAF. If you abandon an unfinished and incomplete plan, you cannot ignore the danger of falling further behind than where you started.

Syria is another example of such a fiasco that alone should end governments. Erdogan gets to watch the world invite Assad back into the fold, for him to go to his Muslim brothers at the ethnocentric Arab league to endorse him again as a legit leader of the arabs, to give him the platform to insult the Turkish nation and to state that he will claim for compensation from Turkiye of around 100 billion.

As far as i'm concerned the entire north has to come under Turkish control, that's it. The days of tolerating these clowns with words have to be over for anything to improve regionally.

All these jokers need to be treated with absolute contempt.

Keep in mind that none of these arab nations have shown any concern for Turkiye regional problems by inviting the clown back. Not only have they shown no concern for Turkiye's national sovereignty and stability, they have shown they couldn't give two shits that the Turks have fed millions of Arabs for years now.
 
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The retired Greek ambassador called on Mr Mitsotakis to demand the return of Gökçeada and Bozcaada to Greece, adding: "Greece's line towards Turkiye must be firm and we must prevent the mediation efforts of the US and Germany".

We can laugh at this idiot's delusions. But on the other hand, we should know that there is such a motivation across the sea and it never dies. They cannot do it through hard power, such an adventure would mean the collapse of their state. However, there is a more long-term method of struggle. And its first step will be the acceptance of the local government autonomy imposed by the EU.
 

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The retired Greek ambassador called on Mr Mitsotakis to demand the return of Gökçeada and Bozcaada to Greece, adding: "Greece's line towards Turkiye must be firm and we must prevent the mediation efforts of the US and Germany".

We can laugh at this idiot's delusions. But on the other hand, we should know that there is such a motivation across the sea and it never dies. They cannot do it through hard power, such an adventure would mean the collapse of their state. However, there is a more long-term method of struggle. And its first step will be the acceptance of the local government autonomy imposed by the EU.
Soon those retard puppet greeks will ask for indonesian islands , saying you have too much islands and they belong to us 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ . While reality is that west Trakya and dodecanese islands belong to Turkiye . Trakya have Turkish people while Dodecanese given ilegaly to Grecce by Italy while they took from Turkiye .
 

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"COME AND TAKE IT!"
You're asking for something unprecedented in history.

Even one is not enough, they cannot muster up the courage without take 2-3 states that will be the military superpower of the period behind them at the same time, they can only dream of it in their beds at night. However, the irony is that no matter how much they try to problematise their own maximalist ideology and market it as a common European problem, in history these backings have always taken place when situation is about not Greece but of those military power states. In short, Greece must risk being cannon fodder.

In the event of a total mobilisation and war by both states, Greece would not be able to maintain the balance for more than a week. If they are not able to completely sweep all missile batteries and air bases up to Malatya-Amasya line with the surprise attack factor (technically impossible), they will have to find a base to land for a few days at best, and in the worst case, before those planes return to their bases. The military balance has already irreversibly deteriorated. Our aim is not to raise flag at Parthenon and listened there 'Irmağının akışına' song, but there is no chance to save the islands within swimming distance for them.

Greece cannot embark on such an adventure unless it is completely out of its mind, knowing how it has violated international agreements and that Turkiye, which is struggling with other problems, does not yet have a governmental structure capable of taking a tough stand against the violations in the Aegean. So no one wanna wake what is sleeping. Military issues are on the fridge. The US, too, has set up a sufficient number of safety mechanisms to ensure that its own interests are not harmed. If Greece acts according to its own mind and disrupts this mechanism, it will suffer the consequences, just like 74. I think the open door here is not the militarly. Because it is an opportunity that we have been longing for.

The loophole here is the economic and political implosion of the TR and its failure to comply with the acquis communautaire in the name of harmonization with the EU acquis in the name of increased terrorism and weakening of the central authority, which would lead to a crisis of survival within the TR itself and hence to the elimination of its own advantages. This includes cultural and identity collapse. All this in projections of 30-50-60 years, not 3-5 years. Therefore, I personally believe that we should always focus on this horizon. We should be flexible in our political understanding and instrumentalize orientations according to the conditions of the times. We have to be empowered to manipulate Greek politics and therefore to shape their society. What do we want, what do we want to drag Greece into? Through these questions and by understanding the plans for the disintegration of our country in the long projections, we have to make the whole 'national' ideological spectrum of our country part of the same goal.
 

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