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First of all, comparing him with Atatürk is not true IMO, in fact we shouldnt compare anyone with Ataturk who is one of the symbols that defines our nation.

Believe it or not, I have been following Selçuk Bayraktar since 2009. When I first saw him on youtube, that famous video "just 5 years" he was saying with a small drone, self believe and determination caught my eyes. I was working in an aviation company back then. Like a lot of people who knows the region, I always thought there would be no military solution other then UCAVs, hundreds of them. Now he has become the man I always hoped to be, indeed far exceed all my expectations. And his TB2s has become the nemesis of terrorists and the most iconic drones of the world. As a cousin of martyr, I will always be grateful to him for all his accomplishments.

But nowadays, he is showing up and giving speech too much and he looks anxious. There is no need for that. Our nation have a tradition of opposition, protest like no matter what or who, even Ataturk or Sultan Suleiman got criticized heavily. That is normal. He is too important and can not lose sympathy. There are a lot of people who criticize or hate him, but there are much more people who love him and will defend him to the end, including humble me. He should just calm down and must realize he cant convince everybody in our country, especially in this political climate.

I disagree very much with your point, for a country like Turkey where there very much has to be figure heads to drive progress.
Ataturk was the figure head that established from tatters Ottoman Empire a united country, he could not have done it if the tribal leaders of regions of Modern Turkiye didn't recognise his vision - and a few didn't. S.Bayraktar is the figure head of Turkey's technological transformation, he couldn't have done it if various factors wasn't aligned with him either.

So, I understand others point of view when S.Bayraktars achievements are compared to Ataturk's, but the greater picture here is that 1 genius can't move mountains without the support and skills of others.
That's what we should be taking away from this.

Not a whole assortment of tribal thinking and picking sides, ya numb skulls.
 

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The real reason that people don't really rise up against Aliyev is because of the notion (whether real or exaggerated) that as soon as Azerbaijan starts infighting, foreign entities will intervene to destroy the nation. A stubborn belief that we have to be united at all costs even if it means tolerating a quasi-monarchy of assholes. Ironically enough I think Ilham's desire to solve the Nagorno-Karabakh issue and secure his legacy as "the man who liberated the land" will spell his doom in the end because without the "Karabakh Question", people really aren't going to tolerate him nearly as much. As much as I'd love his head on a pike, he will likely go away peacefully with his stolen millions but he will go away, of that I'm sure.

This part is really parallel to Turkey right now.
 

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Foreign Policy win there.
 

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Ataturk is entirely different context and principle to that....given what he saw as eating away the Ottoman empire and the scale and intensity of battles he had to face himself against all manner of enemies stemming from the consequences of the Ottoman empire's deep flaws and utlimate failure.

His closest counterpart is something more along the lines of Washington. Neither Ataturk or Washington progeny (in fact both didnt have direct progeny) took over after with same name perseverance for example to create some dynasty.

Washington also went one step further and refused to represent any political party at all (so that none later could claim him exclusively and create or add tension or strife that way).

They both were much more interested in creating a republic (including waging the war to first secure it) with a proper fair system for its people's democratic ambition, the suppression of which played some large part of the earlier strife and war they found themselves in and fought in. They wanted a meritocratic system that would self-improve and self-correct as far as possible.

I was just thinking someone like Washington compares to Ataturk or since Washington came first Ataturk compares to him. Seljuk is just a drone maker in comparison. The cult mentality forming around a basic drone maker is unhealthy for Turkiye, because it will lead to more of that nepotism that you talk about.

To be compared to Ataturk a people or nation has to enter some real dark and troubled times and then achieve great military victories on the battlefield and then assemble a state that respects personal liberties and freedoms.

In Turkiyes case no one can really compare to Ataturk and that's both good and bad, good in the sense that we are not living such terrible times as in Ataturks era, bad in the sense that our statesman in general have been of such terrible quality that we have to keep looking back to Ataturk for inspiration and guidance.

Its 2023 and we are entering an election and no one is talking about things that will elevate the nation, education, science, opportunities, etc. Instead its whose the bigger traitor and whose the lessor danger, because under intense fear and anxiety Turkiye will disappear if you don't vote this way or that way. Total failure.
 

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It is funny to equate Atatürk with Heydar Aliyev, who took over the country at that time as a manifestation of the coup. Atatürk is the one who founded and saved this homeland by fighting. Who are the Aliyevs?

It is a great misfortune for Azerbaijan that a person like Ebulfez Elchibey, who pursued Turkism, was overthrown by a coup.
Really? Am I equating Ataturk with Aliyev? Is that only what you understood from what I wrote?

When Atatürk was establishing this republic, he developed harsh countermeasures against the many rebellion, organisations defending mandate, mullahism, invasion threats etc. Meanwile He intimidated those who betrayed the homeland. He also developed co-operation with the Soviets and showed a balanced attitude towards the West. Atatürk was not a dictator, as the western media has always written and still does not stop writing. He did what was necessary against the conditions around him and the insidious plans against his country.

This is the part I am referring to, I wrote this in more detail in the other thread against Afif who provoked me. Apart from that, I am not making a comparison either in terms of personality or in terms of his previous life and struggle. I have very detailed posts explaining my thoughts with Atatürk, if you had read one of them, you would not fall into this misunderstanding.

What I wrote is clear. Azerbaijan has been under occupation for 30 years, and after breaking away from the Soviet Union, it has to maintain a very careful balance against Russia's influence, and there is a threat to the south that completely denies its national existence and history, and even denies the name of the country. A rebellion has been organised in a part of the country's territory and occupied by a neighbouring state with Russian support. Inside, the cells of the Mullahs and the Armenian-supported 5th column are carrying out their activities. You are not the kind of people who believe that a president who is a butterfly of love will fight against these, I do not believe it. I know why you saying that, actually.

Or, you are not even aware of the seriousness of these conditions. And you do not care. Today, even in Azerbaijan, where many people have left behind old blood feuds and put the homeland first, your concern is whether Azerbaijan is a dictatorship or not... A higher model of this mentality, two years ago, argued that the liberation war of Azerbaijan was fought by Deashli terrorists and advocated a more balanced policy between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Elçibey was a great man of the cause who won the hearts of all nationalists. And the shame of the counter-coup against him in Azerbaijan belongs to Turkiye politics rather than the Turks living in Azerbaijan. First we destroyed it, then we practised romantic nationalism. I am aware of this historical background as much as you are, maybe better or less, to drag the example I gave about Aliyev here, to squeeze it here, is to distort what I want to explain. When Azerbaijan reaches normal conditions, then you can compare it with western democracy. Those who bring this to the forefront today are divided into two groups, the first group has no representatives here. The second group, which has a representative here, mostly ignore the circumstances and imposed conditions, only argue that why this process was carried out with Aliyev. All are a discussion of democracy detached from the historical context and isolated from the external factors that created the current situation. Maybe I'll support you now that the war is over, but not today.
 
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Funny how profchaos cant make any proper posts apart from haha reactions then attacking users.
He seems one of the guys who is fanatical about policy. I would say him technological progress is much more important than the elections but it is impossible to tell a thing such people. They just dont listen

Thank you for backing me
Which technological advencements. The ones that made by engineers which majority of them hate erdogan adn the situation of turkey. The engineers that leave the country in masses.

you can also include doctors. Erdogan made them leave the country. He always praised ignorance and bigotry.

after the brain drain we will end up with ulkucu and tarikat people. I think thats enough to explain.
 

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Opposition Leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu has warned Russians

Dear Russian Friends,
You are behind the montages, conspiracies, Deep Fake content and tapes that were exposed in this country yesterday. If you want the continuation of our friendship after May 15, get your hands of the Turk's state. We are still in favor of cooperation and friendship.

Edit: I couldn't know which title to put it.Mods can move the message to a more appropriate thread.
 
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Opposition Leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu has warned Russians

Dear Russian Friends,
You are behind the montages, conspiracies, Deep Fake content and tapes that were exposed in this country yesterday. If you want the continuation of our friendship after May 15, get your hands of the Turk's state. We are still in favor of cooperation and friendship.

Edit: I couldn't know which title to put it.Mods can move the message to a more appropriate thread.
What is this Russia :D the same things were said about elections and politics in the US. I think in France, too, it was said that Russia was interfering in their internal politics.
 

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It is not a secret that Russia has been meddling in Turkish politics, or even NATO / Turkish relations.
Look at what happened in Sweden. This country needs to be cleaned and freed from any Russian interference.

Moscow is of course interested in keeping the current government for very obvious reasons. Just a couple of days ago they deferred 600m € in gas bills till next year.
 

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Yes, co-chairman of the panty sniffing committee CG works for Russian intelligence, and here's the proof:


By the way, I am only talking about the footage that was put forward as Ince's sex tape. This is Kılıçdaroğlu's tweet, that is, he claims that this account is from Russian intelligence.


There is only a one-sentence difference between the Turkish message and the tweet of the official CHP account.
 

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I was just thinking someone like Washington compares to Ataturk or since Washington came first Ataturk compares to him. Seljuk is just a drone maker in comparison. The cult mentality forming around a basic drone maker is unhealthy for Turkiye, because it will lead to more of that nepotism that you talk about.

To be compared to Ataturk a people or nation has to enter some real dark and troubled times and then achieve great military victories on the battlefield and then assemble a state that respects personal liberties and freedoms.

In Turkiyes case no one can really compare to Ataturk and that's both good and bad, good in the sense that we are not living such terrible times as in Ataturks era, bad in the sense that our statesman in general have been of such terrible quality that we have to keep looking back to Ataturk for inspiration and guidance.

Its 2023 and we are entering an election and no one is talking about things that will elevate the nation, education, science, opportunities, etc. Instead its whose the bigger traitor and whose the lessor danger, because under intense fear and anxiety Turkiye will disappear if you don't vote this way or that way. Total failure.

There is no comparison to Ataturk among any well known Turkish people today.

None whatsoever as simply the era back then Ataturk faced and confronted, the trial and tribulation.... is of entirely different intensity and context to what was being faced and had to be surmounted.

Not taking anything away from achievements of notable Turkish people today of course, but everything they do was made possible by Ataturk to begin with.

You eat the fruit of a great tree while resting under its shade, you thank the one that planted it, nurtured and protected it all that time ago to begin with.

It is this premise that leads to very old Tamil proverb that says....all sins are ultimately forgivable, except for ingratitude.
 
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Yes, co-chairman of the panty sniffing committee CG works for Russian intelligence, and here's the proof:


By the way, I am only talking about the footage that was put forward as Ince's sex tape. This is Kılıçdaroğlu's tweet, that is, he claims that this account is from Russian intelligence.


There is only a one-sentence difference between the Turkish message and the tweet of the official CHP account.
Even children know that Ali Yesildag is backed by the United States, he is just misleading the target. By the way, I know that this Seçim 2023 is an AKP troll account.
 

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Gulen movement released forged videos and allegations about İnce. Only a moron believes the Russian story but it is a good way to justify the opposition's Russian foreign policy after the elections.
 

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Even children know that Ali Yesildag is backed by the United States, he is just misleading the target. By the way, I know that this Seçim 2023 is an AKP troll account.
I saw the tweet here, I couldn't find it in the source account,so I used the link to the screenshot here. The important thing is, did this CG's side-char get ta*ak to followers in this way or not?

Also, when Kılıçdaroğlu says 'yesterday', does he mean the sextape screenshots that was leaked, or does he mean a wider time period? If he means yesterday, he definitely means that this twiiter account is directed Russian intelligence. Not only did he claim it, but similar tweets were sent in three languages. If it is used in the sense of past times, then did Russian intelligence also bring down Baykal?
 

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Gulen movement released forged videos and allegations about İnce. Only a moron believes the Russian story but it is a good way to justify the opposition's Russian foreign policy after the elections.
If Chp becomes the government, we will hang out with the US and the EU again. So, we will see a simulation of Akp again. :LOL: :p;)

Even though I know this, I will vote for the chp because I know the base of the chp, they are not like akp. They have the capacity to fuck the administration and their leaders. They believe in democracy, for them homeland and nation come first.
 

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I saw the tweet here, I couldn't find it in the source account,so I used the link to the screenshot here. The important thing is, did this CG's side-char get ta*ak to followers in this way or not?

Also, when Kılıçdaroğlu says 'yesterday', does he mean the sextape screenshots that was leaked, or does he mean a wider time period? If he means yesterday, he definitely means that this twiiter account is directed Russian intelligence. Not only did he claim it, but similar tweets were sent in three languages. If it is used in the sense of past times, then did Russian intelligence also bring down Baykal?
Kılıçdaroğlu speaks in general terms and I think he is right about Russia. I guess he got this information from the US.

Baykal was brought down jointly by AKP and Fetö, this is a known fact. The US and Europe-loving, Tesevist Kılıçdaroğlu was brought in.

By the way, let me say this, most of the defense industry accounts are AKP supported or AKP trolls. Including forums.
 
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