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They dont have the balls to hijack a American tanker, so they enter a ship with oil destinated for Turkey.

And Mr. Erdogan is taking sides here, the Houthi side.
 

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Well at least the houthis have ball to attack israeli flagged ship compare to all the sunnis countries in the region .
In fact I find the shias are far more courageous compare to the sunnis who mostly scream and shouting about palestine and yet do nothing.
 

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Well at least the houthis have ball to attack israeli flagged ship compare to all the sunnis countries in the region .
In fact I find the shias are far more courageous compare to the sunnis who mostly scream and shouting about palestine and yet do nothing.

As much as i get what your saying, for me this is what represents true courage.

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If there is to be future salvation it rests in the hands of the minds who are capable of producing such things like this.

If your rival produces this;

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While you produce this;

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You will always be defeated.
 

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Well at least the houthis have ball to attack israeli flagged ship compare to all the sunnis countries in the region .
In fact I find the shias are far more courageous compare to the sunnis who mostly scream and shouting about palestine and yet do nothing.

On surface, it may appears to be like that. But the thing is, you see, these Shia groups are ideologically driven entities under a leadership (Iran) whose end–goal is shaped by fundemental/radical belief system.

Consequently, given the huge power asymmetry between Iran+its proxies and the West, conventional warfare is not an option. Thus, they emphasize on posturing, rethoric and asymmetric strategy to achieve their objective.

And in the porcess they often don't care how much cost their actions consequently imposes on the others. And common sense tells, us most of the time their means and processes does not justify the end.

The very is example what houthies are doing right now. Does their action of disrupting international trade route in red sea helping Palestinians anyway? The answer is NO. does it hurting Israel and imposing cost on them? Sure, but not by much. Israel is an advanced economy backed by the USA.

On the other hand, guess who else their action is also hurting? Countries like Bangladesh. And it hurting us much more than Israel. Nearly half of our total export is to Europe. That amounts to approximately 30 billions. Majority of this go through Suez canal and red sea. We are a poor developing country that doesn't Petro–dollars in reserve and economy is already in the turmoil. At this point we cannot afford such strain on principle trade route and it will likely to cost us significantly. All of this for practically for no benefit for the Palestinians. So, how is it justified?

They are doing it only to satisfy their ideologically driven emotions and as an asymmetric fighting strategy against the West. And they don't care what cost others has to pay for this.

On the hand, at whatever stage of development various sunni majority states are, nevertheless these countries by and large pragmatic in their foreign policy goals.

They do recognise the reality they live in. Today international political interactions are shaped by nation state structure. It is no longer always feasible to do the morally right thing (in this case helping Palestine) because, of the huge power asymmetry bwtween muslim counries and the West. And attempting to do so may very well come in expense of their own. And even then, it would not benefit Palestine in any meaningful way. So why just throw your country away without any gain based on short lived emotions.

I mean, look where we stand now, many Muslims countries can barely keep their very own border and sovereignty intact let alone helping others. Even the most powerful ones like Türkiye and Pakistan has to fight evil force within its own border. (Sometimes supported by the West)

There is no muslim superpower like America that can afford (both financially and militarily) significant power projection and expeditionary force posturing for the shake of doing the morally right thing.

Collective Muslim world are far far way from that. If we want to live in a better world where doing the morally right is in top priority list of the international political structure and systematic arrangement instead of everyone's own raw meterial interests, then we have to change whole system that was made in the image of WW2 winners.

And it's not gonna change if you just ask it too. You have to do it yourselves and shape the international system in your own image.

And the only way to do that, is through long term progress, development and cooperation (between countries which share similar vision regarding the future of international geopolitical arrangement.) And when will that happen? Only when we have legitimate responsible democratic governments in our capitals.

Arab monarchies are not going to do it. Their first allegiance is not to their people or to the moral righteousness. Their number one priority is to hold into powers by any means deemed necessary. For that if they needed to cut a deal with devil they will do it in an instant. (And there are historical examples)

For muslim countries to be able to do the morally right thing in the long run (In this case helping Palestine) they need to get their houses in order first. Like Türkiye, they need to focus on long term development and progress, which, if successful will have meaningful impact in the end, unlike short live emotions and rehtorics and unsustainable posturing.
 
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Saudi, Turkish, Pakistani tripartite committee convenes for defense cooperation talks​

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January 14, 2024

The second meeting of the Saudi-Turkish-Pakistani tripartite committee was held in Islamabad, Pakistan, to discuss defense cooperation and ways to enhance it.

The second meeting of the Saudi-Turkish-Pakistani tripartite committee was held in Islamabad, Pakistan, to discuss defense cooperation and ways to enhance it.

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The second meeting of the Saudi-Turkish-Pakistani tripartite committee was held in Islamabad, Pakistan, to discuss defense cooperation and ways to enhance it.

The meeting was attended by Saudi Assistant Minister of Defense Eng. Talal Al-Otaibi, Chief of General Staff of the Pakistani Army Gen. Muhammad Owais, and Turkish Deputy Minister of Defense Jalal Sami Tawfik.

The meeting explored the road map for joint cooperation in the field of defense capabilities, technology transfer and localization, and the development of scientific research.

Additionally, the Saudi-Pakistani working teams held their third meeting, chaired by Al-Otaibi.

Al-Otaibi also met with the Commander of the Pakistani Army Gen. Asim Munir, in the presence of Gen. Muhammad Owais.

He also met with the Chief of Joint Staff First Gen. Sahir Shamshad, and specialists from the Pakistani side.

The meetings addressed updates in defense cooperation, defense capabilities, qualitative scientific research, and the transfer and localization of technology.

The second meeting of the Saudi-Turkish-Pakistani tripartite committee and the third meeting of the Saudi-Pakistani working teams were attended by a number of specialists from the Ministry of Defense, the General Authority for Military Industries, and the General Authority for Defense Development.




January 14, 2024
 

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Interesting video and statements from Former Assistant Secretary of State for political & Military Affairs, Brid. Gen Mark Kimmitt.

Confirming once again that not even the US believed for a second that YPG was not the PKK. But we already knew that.
More importantly, how State Department and boots on the ground were not aligned.
 

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I feel like difficult times are coming and that requires a leadership that could make difficult decisions.

So far, Erdoğan always dodged these decisions, maybe rightly so. But times are changing fast, power centers are shifting. Western dominated world as we live now will be history.

Next 20 years we need to be really careful but also hopeful. Because we were the losers of the previous few centuries and we all took refugee in Anatolia. After a hundred years of healing and buildup, we're coming back at the game.
As Seljuks, as Ottomans, as Turks. As Devlet-i Ebed Müddet.

This is history dictating itself. Or "göklerden gelen bir karar" as you may call it.
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Euopeans that once conquered the world is being conquered by the world that they have colonized. It is "sick man Europe" now. The super powers of our grandparents' generation, that shared the world amongst themselves, can't even provide one million artillery shells for Ukraine today. Their societies are in decay, morals are lost, God is dead, they only have faith in their ego and the life is only about pleasure. People prefer doing drugs and fucking around instead of establishing families and raising good kids.

The future will not be easy with such drastic changes. We should hold on together, unite around our national security and interests.

As Huntington claimed in his Clash of Civilizations, Turks should lead the Islamic world with it's military power and courage just like it did several times before. This is not about secularism or anything related to Turkish interior politics. I just believe that Turkey should establish it's own polar in multipolar world order and that can be done through claiming Islamic leadership that of course includes Turkic countries.

I believe establishing such a power block, on the heartland of the world, should be Kızıl Elma of our nation. Only that way we can protect our world against the Crusaders and Mongols (China). Again, like we did before.

Erdoğan doesn't seem promising but I highly trust Hakan Fidan & İbrahim Kalın duo. They're both brilliant men whom have deep understanding of history, our identity and mission as a nation. They have incredible expertise/experience on important global matters, they personally know everyone that matters in this world. In addition to their qualification, both of them yerli and milli guys. Luckily they're both young and I expect them (especially Fidan) to take the lead in post-Erdoğan Turkey.

There are many problems to solve, many things to achieve but there's light at the end of the tunnel and I wholeheartedly believe.
 

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That is too much........
 

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They dont have the balls to hijack a American tanker, so they enter a ship with oil destinated for Turkey.

And Mr. Erdogan is taking sides here, the Houthi side.

As much as i get what your saying, for me this is what represents true courage.

KAAN-PAK-TURKEY.jpg


If there is to be future salvation it rests in the hands of the minds who are capable of producing such things like this.

If your rival produces this;

F-22_Raptor_edit1_%28cropped%29.jpg


While you produce this;

q133.jpg


You will always be defeated.
I understand what you are saying but then what will you do in meantime.
Just accept what they done and do nothing...
Just let them take your country and natural resourse and let them bomb and still do nothing until we achieved the level of technology parity with them.
Ok...so how long it will take us...50 or 70 years.
While we are are catching up with them,they will also move forward to compete with us .
At least these shias hezbollah and houthis are showing that they will not sit quiet while seeing their muslim palestinian brothers and sisters being victimized.....we at least should give them much respect.
Thry are willing to sacrifice tgeir lives by just saying NO....while the rest of sunni especially the politician are busy playing politics being noisy yet claiming their place for their position by these western powers .
 

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I understand what you are saying but then what will you do in meantime.
Just accept what they done and do nothing...
Just let them take your country and natural resourse and let them bomb and still do nothing until we achieved the level of technology parity with them.
Ok...so how long it will take us...50 or 70 years.
While we are are catching up with them,they will also move forward to compete with us .
At least these shias hezbollah and houthis are showing that they will not sit quiet while seeing their muslim palestenian brothers and sisters being victimized.....we at least should give them much respect.
Thry are willing to sacrifice tgeir lives by just saying NO....while the rest of sunni especially the politician are busy playing politics being noisy yet claiming their place for their position by these western powers .

Iran is using Palestinians, her proxies are not winning the region anything tangible, they further divide it. The Islamic regime despite being surrounded by western bases, 99% of those they have killed have been Muslims. The only nations they have destabilised with their proxies have been Muslim majority nations. Spreading shia sectarianism in a majority Sunni region is a recipe for disaster. They are yet to directly attack Isreal, its been 50 years since the islamic revolution. Just yesterday they were siding with Russia and Armenia against Azerbaijan. They don't care about Islam whatsoever, its just a tool to use and abuse when it pays them.

Hezbollah are just waving their fingers, gaza has been reduced to rubble and the chief wizard is still talking about a high price to pay.

The houthis i guess have some kind of integrity and honour but what tangibly will they achieve in the long run, a people that are one the poorest and most industrially backward on earth. I'm not saying that as an insult, im just saying it to highlight the disparity between them and their foes.

Erdogan is typical Erdogan, historically his real enemies are the people he says nice things about. Which maybe tells me he doesn't actually give two shits for palestine outside of getting brownie points for his islamist voter base. We know he's doing nothing for them and we also know trade has increased during the conflict.

As for waiting 70 years, that's the nature of the beast. In history sometimes you fail so hard it takes hundreds of years to be able to raise your head again.

In cyprus the Turks wanted to liberate the Muslims in 1964, but they didnt have the capacity to do it, they had to delay the intervention by another 10 years. In the end they won. Had they gone in 64 maybe they would have failed.

Turks are looking to produce all this military hardware, Muslim majority nations should be joining in with us. pooling resources and talent together sharing technologies. Then maybe things can be resolved in 20 years instead of 70.
 

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I feel like difficult times are coming and that requires a leadership that could make difficult decisions.

So far, Erdoğan always dodged these decisions, maybe rightly so. But times are changing fast, power centers are shifting. Western dominated world as we live now will be history.

Next 20 years we need to be really careful but also hopeful. Because we were the losers of the previous few centuries and we all took refugee in Anatolia. After a hundred years of healing and buildup, we're coming back at the game.
As Seljuks, as Ottomans, as Turks. As Devlet-i Ebed Müddet.

This is history dictating itself. Or "göklerden gelen bir karar" as you may call it.
.
Euopeans that once conquered the world is being conquered by the world that they have colonized. It is "sick man Europe" now. The super powers of our grandparents' generation, that shared the world amongst themselves, can't even provide one million artillery shells for Ukraine today. Their societies are in decay, morals are lost, God is dead, they only have faith in their ego and the life is only about pleasure. People prefer doing drugs and fucking around instead of establishing families and raising good kids.

The future will not be easy with such drastic changes. We should hold on together, unite around our national security and interests.

As Huntington claimed in his Clash of Civilizations, Turks should lead the Islamic world with it's military power and courage just like it did several times before. This is not about secularism or anything related to Turkish interior politics. I just believe that Turkey should establish it's own polar in multipolar world order and that can be done through claiming Islamic leadership that of course includes Turkic countries.

I believe establishing such a power block, on the heartland of the world, should be Kızıl Elma of our nation. Only that way we can protect our world against the Crusaders and Mongols (China). Again, like we did before.

Erdoğan doesn't seem promising but I highly trust Hakan Fidan & İbrahim Kalın duo. They're both brilliant men whom have deep understanding of history, our identity and mission as a nation. They have incredible expertise/experience on important global matters, they personally know everyone that matters in this world. In addition to their qualification, both of them yerli and milli guys. Luckily they're both young and I expect them (especially Fidan) to take the lead in post-Erdoğan Turkey.

There are many problems to solve, many things to achieve but there's light at the end of the tunnel and I wholeheartedly believe.

Brother you hit it right out of the park.

I agree 100%.

Ibrahim Kalin even wrote articles which were pretty interesting especially history. The man even studied Namik Kemal.
 

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Brother you hit it right out of the park.

I agree 100%.

Ibrahim Kalin even wrote articles which were pretty interesting especially history. The man even studied Namik Kemal.

I suspect, Turkish leadership claim in wider Trukic world may be effective, but with other large muslims countries? I don't know much.

I already can see, KSA, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia (and even BD) are being uncomfortable with additional Turkish 'leadership' posturing and too much 'main character' mindset.
 

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Interesting video and statements from Former Assistant Secretary of State for political & Military Affairs, Brid. Gen Mark Kimmitt.

Confirming once again that not even the US believed for a second that YPG was not the PKK. But we already knew that.
More importantly, how State Department and boots on the ground were not aligned.
This video is old. more 2+ years
This meeting included 3 person. 1 woman and 2 men. They try to explain the issue with usa ally PKK in details.
BUT the problem is that, They do not have any weight on the matter. They are nobody.
People of usa and active politician know vary well what they are doing.

USA government made their plan for Syria:
Government gave permission and power to person called Brett McGurk. He became executive of usa plan in Syria
Brett McGurk made usa ally with PKK. Turkiye is pushed as enemy and this follow as big news campaign showing PKK good guy and showing Turkiye as enemy

Via Brett McGurk PKK received -> money, weapons, intelligence, close support, protection, systematic military planing how to - when- where- what to attack and more
Brett McGurk able to execute and complete usa plan for Syria vary well.
PKK able to take north and east parts of Syria and became owner via usa protection. PKK made many genocides against Syrian citizens by kill them and taking their properties.
usa did NOT support Syrian citizens at all, they only supported PKK. Therefore if you are not PKK then you die or became refugee


Brett McGurk able to made even more success, he start to build up infrastructures along Turkiye boarder to increase protection for PKK.
PKK is the ally of usa and Turkiye the enemy were trying to invade and kill PKK on usa protected territory.
Brett McGurk openly keep saying that usa ally PKK should be supported and protected against Turkiye!

At end do not Lie yourself that usa government did NOT know about Syria or thier military responsible in Syria did things which usa government did not allowed etc.
usa did all shit knowing it and usa did made this plan to happened that way. So if usa representative just saying things like we did not know or owner local people in Syria made thing with out usa gov approval -> This is BIG FAT LIE. They vary well know what they are doing. No excuse for them.

Now in present day usa should prepare plan a plan for 2 decades how they can build up relation with Turkiye to the level which usa destroy it in order to make PKK ally
 
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The best thing that can happen for Turkey in their militairy campaigns and foreign policy is a victory for Donald Trump.

Turkey achieved the most militairy success with a Republican President instead of a Democratic one.

No mate you are Vary wrong.
When come to Foreign policy
usa have plan and each president is following it
So if plan say for next 5-10 years usa need to do following and Turkiye is enemy then any new president taking the chair applying this plan no matter what
 
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No mate you are Vary wrong.
When come to Foreign policy
usa have plan and each president is following it
So if plan say for next 5-10 years usa need to do following and Turkiye is enemy then any new president taking the chair applying this plan no matter what

I understand but Trump is not following the script, thats the reason they ley him loose the election against Biden (fraud).

He never followed his spindoctors and advisers in foreign and domestic policy.

They dont want him be POTUS again. I really think the Inner Circle of the US rather kill him than make him sit in the White House again.

All those trials against him, and interviews of ex-security agents and Western leaders that he is a threat to the West etcetera, those are not for nothing. They are sabotaging his campaign and forcing him to give up.
 
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Turkey skips Davos over Forum’s organiser’s stance towards Gaza war

The Turkish officials would not attend this year’s World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Bloomberg reported on Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.

 

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iye boarder to increase protection for PKK.
PKK is the ally of usa and Turkiye the enemy were trying to invade and kill PKK on usa protected territory.
Brett McGurk openly keep saying that usa ally PKK should be supported and protected again

One of the tricks they play is to pretend it was all a mistake. No its all planned and executed with great attention to detail. But, we sat on our dicks for over a decade and allowed them to build it up. Each day that passes is another wasted day.

If pkkistan is settled in iraq and syria, the americans will move to talking about war with us directly. They already made all sorts of threats and implied all sorts of actions. But they want to make sure the first two building blocks are placed before coming for the 3rd.

They have to pretend its all a mistake because if they say they are doing it intentionally its pretty much an open declaration of war against us. Lets say Turks take the entire north of syria and claim it was all a mistake, we just intended to hit a few pkk positions and before we knew it we somehow control the entire north, but what we do now isnt easy and how do we get out of this mess, while actually doing nothing to get out of it, just move to take more. That would be how the americans are "prentendting" over their pkk project, a project in which the zionists are at least open about.

You do to england, france, germany, the usa what they are doing to us on our border they would declare war on us. The English suffering just one terrorist attack are happy to dehumanise the entire muslim world, we have experienced thousands of pkk terrorist attacks and they want to dictate to us they are the good guys.
 
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