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Report on Plans in Germany

Concerns about a Possible Branch of the AKP

According to a media report, there are efforts by the Erdogan-led AKP party to establish a branch in Germany, initially with the aim of participating in the European elections. Politicians from several parties have expressed alarm.

Politicians from several parties in Germany have raised concerns about the potential establishment of a branch of the Turkish AKP party for the upcoming European elections. The background is a report by Bild am Sonntag (BamS) about the formation of a "Turkish-Islamist party" named DAVA (Democratic Alliance for Diversity and Renewal).

SPD leader Saskia Esken stated on Welt-TV that it is important to "make it clear to our Turkish fellow citizens in Germany that Germany belongs together, that we are one people." She emphasized the need to prevent both right-wing extremists who want to "deport migrants" and "the divisive tendencies of Recep Tayyip Erdogan" from playing a role in Germany.

Özdemir: "The last thing we need"

Federal Minister of Agriculture Cem Özdemir (Green Party) wrote on Sunday on the platform X: "An Erdogan offshoot participating in elections here is the last thing we need."

Four lead candidates allegedly identified

According to BamS, the declaration of establishment is available. Four men are named as lead candidates for the European elections, who are said to have previously worked for the Islamic-conservative ruling party AKP of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan or its affiliated organizations. Jens Spahn, deputy leader of the Union parliamentary group (CDU), warned on platform X that an Erdogan-AKP offshoot in Germany would be "another extreme party in the country."

CDU internal affairs expert Christoph de Vries told BamS that the federal government should "by no means take this party establishment lightly." It is urgently necessary for security authorities to closely monitor all activities of this party and its connections to the Turkish government and intervene if there is any direct influence from the Turkish government.

 

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Re Iranian connection. Iranian influence on Turkish politics haven't been this high since 90s. And now it's irking the people on the other side of the Iranian proxies that we supported financially and even militarily in some cases.

"Under the guise of defending the Palestinian cause, the Houthi militias in Yemen are trying to ignore the atrocities and massacres they have committed against the Yemeni people for 9 years, the suffering of the Yemeni people, and to justify their crimes.

As the Yemeni Students Association, we find it surprising that posters of Abdulmalik al-Houthi, the leader of the Iranian-backed Houthi militia, are being distributed and hung on the streets of Istanbul to cover up the crimes committed against the Yemeni people. These militias are not supporting the Palestinian cause. the atrocities and massacres committed against the people of Yemen for 9 years under the pretence of the "Yemenite people", They continue to ignore the suffering of the Yemeni people and to denounce their crimes.
and tries to whitewash the Palestinian people.

As the Yemeni Students Association, we would like to emphasise once again that we stand by the Palestinian people and support their legitimate resistance against the occupiers. We also condemn in the strongest terms the inhumane war crimes committed by Israel in Gaza and emphasise the need for international powers to take action to stop these crimes.

We note that these attempts are an attempt to hide the true face of the Houthi militias. These militias have massacred thousands of innocent people, starved children and besieged cities in Yemen. In addition, they have criminalised the education of Yemeni students in Turkey, closed the Turkish language department in universities, changed the curriculum, portrayed Turkey as an occupying country and demolished the Turkish monument in Sana'a.

As the Yemeni Students Association, we call on the Turkish government to stop these initiatives and take the necessary measures. In addition, civil society organisations organisations to reject these initiatives and to support the coup plotters in the present and future. the threats they pose for generations to come.

Finally, we would like to state that we are determined to take legal action against the organisations that carried out these attempts."

Round two. Group calling itself "1000 Youths for Palestine" protesting against Azerbaijan in Azerbaijani consulate in Istanbul.

 

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Round two. Group calling itself "1000 Youths for Palestine" protesting against Azerbaijan in Azerbaijani consulate in Istanbul.

They didn't protest when Armenian weapons were going to Armenia trough Iran, they didn't protest when armed attacker entered the Azerbaijani Embassy in Tehran with a AK-47, they didn't protest when Iran was threatening to bomb Baku to the stone age, they didn't protest when the Iranian intelligence organized a terrorist group on Azerbaijani territory, but they protest when Azerbaijan uses its right to determine its foreign policy by countering a natural rival in its backyard.

These people are blinded by ideology. When 15th of July happened, when natural disasters like fires and earthquakes happened it was Azerbaijan who came for us. It was us who pushed the limits and helped our Azerbaijani brothers and sisters reclaim what is theirs. Only non-Turks would be uncomfortable by Azerbaijan.
 

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Only non-Turks would be uncomfortable by Azerbaijan.
Jackpot. And the Country is full with this type. What do you think will these people do when shit hits the fan in Türkiye? Strong Countries/Empires tend to die first from the inside. Similar to the current situation in the Country.
 
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Jackpot. And the Country is full with these typ. What do you think will these people do when shit hits the fan in Türkiye? Strong Countries/Empires tend to die first from the inside. Similar to the current situation in the Country.

beg for visas, citizenship or asylum in in European countries without realising the old saying, "Even if you forget you're a Turk, your enemies will not."


 

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Report on Plans in Germany

Concerns about a Possible Branch of the AKP

According to a media report, there are efforts by the Erdogan-led AKP party to establish a branch in Germany, initially with the aim of participating in the European elections. Politicians from several parties have expressed alarm.

Politicians from several parties in Germany have raised concerns about the potential establishment of a branch of the Turkish AKP party for the upcoming European elections. The background is a report by Bild am Sonntag (BamS) about the formation of a "Turkish-Islamist party" named DAVA (Democratic Alliance for Diversity and Renewal).

SPD leader Saskia Esken stated on Welt-TV that it is important to "make it clear to our Turkish fellow citizens in Germany that Germany belongs together, that we are one people." She emphasized the need to prevent both right-wing extremists who want to "deport migrants" and "the divisive tendencies of Recep Tayyip Erdogan" from playing a role in Germany.

Özdemir: "The last thing we need"

Federal Minister of Agriculture Cem Özdemir (Green Party) wrote on Sunday on the platform X: "An Erdogan offshoot participating in elections here is the last thing we need."

Four lead candidates allegedly identified

According to BamS, the declaration of establishment is available. Four men are named as lead candidates for the European elections, who are said to have previously worked for the Islamic-conservative ruling party AKP of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan or its affiliated organizations. Jens Spahn, deputy leader of the Union parliamentary group (CDU), warned on platform X that an Erdogan-AKP offshoot in Germany would be "another extreme party in the country."

CDU internal affairs expert Christoph de Vries told BamS that the federal government should "by no means take this party establishment lightly." It is urgently necessary for security authorities to closely monitor all activities of this party and its connections to the Turkish government and intervene if there is any direct influence from the Turkish government.

There was no problem when the Germans were directly involved in Turkish politics for decades, both through intelligence and foundations, when they were the incubator and indoctrination center for many left-wing radicals, including those involved in assassinations and terrorist activities, when German parliamentarians were directly involved in provocateur activities in the southeast of Turkiye and While there is no problem when they directly engage in social engineering on Alevis, and when they still provide FETÖ and PKK networks with extraordinary leeway and political space. There is also no problem when German state media outlets and soft power tools poison Turkish youth with fifth column activities. On the other hand, there was no problem in covering up the state relations of the organization that burned Turks alive within German borders. What's the problem now? I thought we were autocratic and the Germans were democratic?

An Akp in Germany? God help the Germans, lol. But if Armenians like Cem Özdemir are claiming this, it is worth taking it with a grain of salt. If the issue is an alliance of confederations across the country and a political presence, why do these are advocate for political parties with registered ties to a terrorist organization morning and night, while approaching this purely civil initiative with a completely opposite hypocrisy? These issues need to be pondered.
 

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How can you even prove that a party in Europe is a offshoot of AKP? That is not provable.

The Dutch media claimed for years the same about political party DENK, but the accusations stopped when DENK supported the Dutch government's harsh Covid-plans.

So to stop these false claims, this new German party should support Israel. And you will see no more Erdogan-stories.
 
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Round two. Group calling itself "1000 Youths for Palestine" protesting against Azerbaijan in Azerbaijani consulate in Istanbul.


Iranian saboteurs nothing else.

They dont care about Palestine and they dont care about Azerbaijan.

Palestine is Sunni do the Iranians think they will sacrifice themselves for Sunnis.

Azerbaijan is majority Twelver Shia same the religion which Iran follows still Iran chose Armenia over Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan rejected being a Iranian proxy and rejected Iran stoking the flames of secratarianism. Azerbaijan has a 20% Sunni population now imagine if Azerbaijan became another secratrian wrecked hell hole like Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

Azerbaijanis are Turkic. Iran has lots of Turkic peoples. This is what both Secular Iranians and Mullah rum Iranians fear a Turkic uprising.

Azerbaijan and its relations with Israel is just geopolitics. Both have interests that converg and work for both parties. As many Azerbaijani posters here said the Azerbaijani Jews are pretty patriotic about their country hence why became a bridge between both countries.
 

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Iranian saboteurs nothing else.

They dont care about Palestine and they dont care about Azerbaijan.

Palestine is Sunni do the Iranians think they will sacrifice themselves for Sunnis.

Azerbaijan is majority Twelver Shia same the religion which Iran follows still Iran chose Armenia over Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan rejected being a Iranian proxy and rejected Iran stoking the flames of secratarianism. Azerbaijan has a 20% Sunni population now imagine if Azerbaijan became another secratrian wrecked hell hole like Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

Azerbaijanis are Turkic. Iran has lots of Turkic peoples. This is what both Secular Iranians and Mullah rum Iranians fear a Turkic uprising.

Azerbaijan and its relations with Israel is just geopolitics. Both have interests that converg and work for both parties. As many Azerbaijani posters here said the Azerbaijani Jews are pretty patriotic about their country hence why became a bridge between both countries.
While I completely agree, I wish that we will soon get rid of this made-up terminology that we use as 'Azerbaijanis'. There is no such thing as Azerbaijanis, Azerbaijan is a geographical characterization formed from the combination of two words, and Azerbaijani actually means Khazarian. One of the biggest daggers to the Turkish national consciousness during the Soviet Russian era was the changing of the alphabets of all central Asian Turks against Ataturk's policy of alphabet unity, which was followed by indoctrination in the schools of Turkish cities with fabricated false historical theses.

I also do not like use word of 'Turkic' for describing brotherhood between AZR and TR. To define two states successors of Oghuzes together with this seems to me a very disingenuous definition. We are not only the same nation, we come from the same narrow kinship. We are brothers and sisters who have given their lives for each other and we do not see our destinies as independent of each other.
 
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While I completely agree, I wish that we will soon get rid of this made-up terminology that we use as 'Azerbaijanis'. There is no such thing as Azerbaijanis, Azerbaijan is a geographical characterization formed from the combination of two words, and Azerbaijani actually means Khazarian. One of the biggest daggers to the Turkish national consciousness during the Soviet Russian era was the changing of the alphabets of all central Asian Turks against Ataturk's policy of alphabet unity, which was followed by indoctrination in the schools of Turkish cities with fabricated false historical theses.


Won't that require changing the State's name itself? Afaik, no country has ever done that.
 
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While I completely agree, I wish that we will soon get rid of this made-up terminology that we use as 'Azerbaijanis'. There is no such thing as Azerbaijanis, Azerbaijan is a geographical characterization formed from the combination of two words, and Azerbaijani actually means Khazarian. One of the biggest daggers to the Turkish national consciousness during the Soviet Russian era was the changing of the alphabets of all central Asian Turks against Ataturk's policy of alphabet unity, which was followed by indoctrination in the schools of Turkish cities with fabricated false historical theses.

We are all Turks. Nothing wrong in using terms like Turkish, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, Kyrgz, Yakut, Salar, Uygur, Qashqai, Afsar, Turkmen and Uzbek.

They are all Turks but just think of it as branches of a big family.

We also have to remember the reason why Russian influence is strong in the Caucasus and Central Asia because the Russians ruled region for like 100+ years hence why they use the Cyrillic alphabet and many speaking Russian alongside their own languages.

You also have lots of Turkic peoples living inside what is now Russia.
 

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We are all Turks. Nothing wrong in using terms like Turkish, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, Kyrgz, Yakut, Salar, Uygur, Qashqai, Afsar, Turkmen and Uzbek.

They are all Turks but just think of it as branches of a big family.

We also have to remember the reason why Russian influence is strong in the Caucasus and Central Asia because the Russians ruled region for like 100+ years hence why they use the Cyrillic alphabet and many speaking Russian alongside their own languages.

You also have lots of Turkic peoples living inside what is now Russia.
The distinction between Turkic and Turkish is a terminology coined in foreign literature to identify the Turks living in Turkiye and the Turks of the Caspian and Asian regions as distinct nations, mostly originating from Russian Turkologists. When Turkic people is used, it is possible to create sub-national lineages within it, and the same sources also invented a nation called Azerbaijanis. They even went further to present the Azerbaijanis as Turkicized Iranians. There is nothing in what I have said to offend you, I think it is a mistake. You cannot destroy this false fiction by accepting the concepts and definitions you are fighting against.
 

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The distinction between Turkic and Turkish is a terminology coined in foreign literature to identify the Turks living in Turkiye and the Turks of the Caspian and Asian regions as distinct nations, mostly originating from Russian Turkologists. When Turkic people is used, it is possible to create sub-national lineages within it, and the same sources also invented a nation called Azerbaijanis. They even went further to present the Azerbaijanis as Turkicized Iranians. There is nothing in what I have said to offend you, I think it is a mistake. You cannot destroy this false fiction by accepting the concepts and definitions you are fighting against.

Us Turks are a oral culture rather than a written culture.

Hence why most things about us in history always came from our enemies like the Chinese, Arabs, Europeans, Iranians and the Russians.

You do make a case of Russian Turkologists who used terms to divide the Turks with each new term. Which makes sense as most of those Russian Turkologists were funded by the Tsars and the Soviets.

I still do believe we can use these terms as long as they are not negative or denying anybodys identity and heritage.
 

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Round two. Group calling itself "1000 Youths for Palestine" protesting against Azerbaijan in Azerbaijani consulate in Istanbul.

During the 30 years of Armenian occupation, not a single Arab state helped us with a single bullet. And all this time Palestine supported only the aggressor - Armenia. By the way, Lebanon too. They sheltered the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA. 3 years ago, during the 44-day war in Karabakh, they attacked our embassy in Beirut, supporting the Armenians. Now let their Armenian “Christian brothers” help them.
 

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Iranian saboteurs nothing else.

They dont care about Palestine and they dont care about Azerbaijan.

Palestine is Sunni do the Iranians think they will sacrifice themselves for Sunnis.

Azerbaijan is majority Twelver Shia same the religion which Iran follows still Iran chose Armenia over Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan rejected being a Iranian proxy and rejected Iran stoking the flames of secratarianism. Azerbaijan has a 20% Sunni population now imagine if Azerbaijan became another secratrian wrecked hell hole like Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

Azerbaijanis are Turkic. Iran has lots of Turkic peoples. This is what both Secular Iranians and Mullah rum Iranians fear a Turkic uprising.

Azerbaijan and its relations with Israel is just geopolitics. Both have interests that converg and work for both parties. As many Azerbaijani posters here said the Azerbaijani Jews are pretty patriotic about their country hence why became a bridge between both countries.

This is exactly why i think that the inner circle of the Ayatollahs and the high command of the IRGC arent muslims or even Shia.

Because a real Shia would never support a Christian country against another Shia.

Iran should be the best friend of Azerbaijan. They are both Shia and neighbours. There is even a province in Iran called Azerbaijan.

If the Ayatollahs were real, than the brotherhood between Iran-Azerbaijan would be just so strong as the brotherhood between Turkey and Azerbaijan, because in the Islam, religion is higher than race.

But Iran does not think that way. They are racialists and see themselves as a Persian Republic or Persian Empire, not as a Islamic theocracy.

They see the Azerbaijanians as Turks and dont give a damn about their common Shia religion. They have better relations with Tajikistan, another Persian country, despite they are mostly Sunni's.
 

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This is exactly why i think that the inner circle of the Ayatollahs and the high command of the IRGC arent muslims or even Shia.

Because a real Shia would never support a Christian country against another Shia.

Iran should be the best friend of Azerbaijan. They are both Shia and neighbours. There is even a province in Iran called Azerbaijan.

If the Ayatollahs were real, than the brotherhood between Iran-Azerbaijan would be just so strong as the brotherhood between Turkey and Azerbaijan, because in the Islam, religion is higher than race.

But Iran does not think that way. They are racialists and see themselves as a Persian Republic or Persian Empire, not as a Islamic theocracy.

They see the Azerbaijanians as Turks and dont give a damn about their common Shia religion. They have better relations with Tajikistan, another Persian country, despite they are mostly Sunni's.

When the Iranian Paramilitaries were gunning down Southern Azerbaijanis.

It mainly cricket noises when the Persian secularists, Persian liberals, Persian monarchists like those idiot shah supporters. Imagine supporting a failed monarchy.

The Persian disaspora are racist to the core they were perfectly fine with the Basji gunning down Azerbaijanis in Tabriz.

People think a Secular Iran is better but deep down regardless if its Ayatollah run Iran or a Secular Iran. Persian supremacism runs deep in the society.

When the Ayatollah regime collapses with Secular Iran taking its place they will just continue where they left off except the West will back them even more.

Dont be surprised if Turkiye and Iran still come to blows.
 

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During the 30 years of Armenian occupation, not a single Arab state helped us with a single bullet. And all this time Palestine supported only the aggressor - Armenia. By the way, Lebanon too. They sheltered the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA. 3 years ago, during the 44-day war in Karabakh, they attacked our embassy in Beirut, supporting the Armenians. Now let their Armenian “Christian brothers” help them.
dont take them seriously these are none turks who are trying to ruin our relationship. i posted how Palestinians recondnsied the so called Armenian geocide , uploaded a picture of Turkish Cypriot mother brutality murdered in bathtub with her 3 children and how Palestinians supported that then i show how Palestinians supported Russians when they kick Crimean Tatars out of their homes and settle Russians in those houses as well as how Palestinians supported china when they were doing geocide against Uyghurs then i uploaded a picture from ASALA attack on ankara airport by an Armenian who was trained by Palestinians who gun down 81 people. in the end i upload picture of dead children from khojaly geocide and how Palestinians called that a just war against Azerbaijan. do you know what they did ?? they just pretend that my post didn't exist and keep uploading twitters in support of Palestinians

with what Palestinians did, it is well with in Azerbaijan's right to support Israel even if it wasn't for geopolitical need , but rather for revenge for Palestinians past actions​

 
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So what?

Isis has created so many non existent Wilayas which they believe they will rule. Funny how westerners take it literally. Isis even claims Azerbaijan as a wilayah.

Islamic state collapses many of its fighters either deserted or scattered. Some turned into insurgency. But the African ones are a threat as we can see how they are growing in the sahel. I do believe they dont answer to Isis of Iraq and Syria basically operate in their own accord.

A lot of them are all foreigners that are holed up in Turkiye. They just have to be caught one by one.
according to sinan oğan we have 13 million illegal aliens in turkey 2 million of them fought in a conflict (wars/civil wars)

according to Erlik there are 27 million illegal (kaçak) guns in turkey and the case of right to self defense with guns need to be consider. this is a nightmare becouse even after 12 eylül coupe when army gathered all the illegal guns from the people that number didn't pass 500k now we are dealing with 27 million illegal (kaçak) guns and 2 million millitant jihadist from all over the world while TSK personal is 700k. thats why both Osman Pamukoğlu and ümit özdağ call to increase the years of military service as well as abolishing selling the service

according to ümit özdağ in the last 2 years the number of operation against salafi and jihadis passes the number of operation against PKK which shows the number 1 terror problem of turkey is no longer PKK but islamist terrorist which btw you were very found of them last year when i uploaded their video harassing our citizens and making islamic/ sharia propaganda, thanks to people like you, we are about to become second Syria in the next 5 to 10 years
 
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