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Guys, we saw a rise in non-translated posts. Stick to English and if you want to discuss something in your native language you can tag the person in the respective chit chat thread of your nationality or thread where it is allowed.

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Wanting to become a member of Sco when we are a member of Nato? Our government is talking nonsense as usual.

Btw, I would say yes to leaving NATO.
The SCO is not a military bloc. You can join this organization while remaining a member of NATO. Why should Türkiye leave NATO???:rolleyes:

Hungary is a member of NATO and the EU, but also wants to be in the Organization of Turkic States.
Armenia - it is a member of the Russian military bloc CSTO, but at the same time it has become a strategic partner of the United States.
By the way, just a week after Washington announced this, China and Azerbaijan also announced a strategic partnership.
We (Azerbaijan) will become a full member of the SCO in the coming years (possibly in 2025).
Since the Europeans do not want to accept Turkey and Azerbaijan into the EU, we have every right to do what is beneficial to us.

What confuses you about the SCO?:)
 
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You upset me. You think I don't know that? The members know what I mean.
My actual point was that, no kings and queens do not hold actual power over UK politics. It is by all means a popular democracy and parties hold the power with their prime ministers, and bureaucrats who are not assigned by the crown but civil systems.
 

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The SCO is not a military bloc. You can join this organization while remaining a member of NATO. Why should Türkiye leave NATO???:rolleyes:

Hungary is a member of NATO and the EU, but also wants to be in the Organization of Turkic States.
Armenia - it is a member of the Russian military bloc CSTO, but at the same time it has become a strategic partner of the United States.
By the way, just a week after Washington announced this, China and Azerbaijan also announced a strategic partnership.
We (Azerbaijan) will become a full member of the SCO in the coming years (possibly in 2025).
Since the Europeans do not want to accept Turkey and Azerbaijan into the EU, we have every right to do what is beneficial to us.

What confuses you about the SCO?:)
Is it something wrong with the forum or is it me?

Do you think maybe I don't know that Sco is not a military organization?

Nato was founded to oppose Russia, now it opposes both Russia and China. If you cooperate with them very seriously, the US will not be silent. Besides, why would China and Russia want to take a member from Nato, which is hostile to them?

Under normal circumstances, China and Russia should say no. Unless they have another strategic plan.
 

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Is it something wrong with the forum or is it me?

Do you think maybe I don't know that Sco is not a military organization?

Nato was founded to oppose Russia, now it opposes both Russia and China. If you cooperate with them very seriously, the US will not be silent. Besides, why would China and Russia want to take a member from Nato, which is hostile to them?

Under normal circumstances, China and Russia should say no. Unless they have another strategic plan.
Turkish Ambassador to China Ismail Hakki Musa in an interview with the Chinese newspaper Huanqiu Shibao:
“The desire to join BRICS will not change Turkey’s attitude towards joining the European Union, but we are realistic. We have waited more than 50 years, but our European partners are still not ready to accept us as a full member.”

Musa suggested that the European Union's reluctance to accept his country as a full member is due to the fact that Turkey belongs to a different cultural code. “BRICS is an international organization that embraces many different cultures and is focused on economic cooperation,” explained the diplomat, discussing his country’s intention to join the bloc.
The ambassador also added that he considers Turkey’s desire to join BRICS natural, given the bloc’s role in modern economics and geopolitics.


France, being a member of NATO, pursues a foreign policy completely independent of it and is in a military alliance with countries outside the organization.
The United States 3 weeks ago declared Armenia, a country unfriendly to Turkey, a strategic partner and is literally now conducting military exercises with the Armenian army not far from the very border of Turkey. etc.
Does Turkey need NATO more or vice versa? This is still a controversial issue.
If Turkie had nuclear weapons, this question would not have arisen...

Turkey has a military alliance with Azerbaijan, and I dream of the day when our Central Asian brothers join us. If Russians, French, Americans or Armenians don't like it, let them drink cold water. They say it helps :)


China and Russia will be happy to see Turkey in both BRICS and the SCO.
 
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Turkish Ambassador to China Ismail Hakki Musa in an interview with the Chinese newspaper Huanqiu Shibao:
“The desire to join BRICS will not change Turkey’s attitude towards joining the European Union, but we are realistic. We have waited more than 50 years, but our European partners are still not ready to accept us as a full member.”

Musa suggested that the European Union's reluctance to accept his country as a full member is due to the fact that Turkey belongs to a different cultural code. “BRICS is an international organization that embraces many different cultures and is focused on economic cooperation,” explained the diplomat, discussing his country’s intention to join the bloc.
The ambassador also added that he considers Turkey’s desire to join BRICS natural, given the bloc’s role in modern economics and geopolitics.


France, being a member of NATO, pursues a foreign policy completely independent of it and is in a military alliance with countries outside the organization.
The United States 3 weeks ago declared Armenia, a country unfriendly to Turkey, a strategic partner and is literally now conducting military exercises with the Armenian army not far from the very border of Turkey. etc.
Does Turkey need NATO more or vice versa? This is still a controversial issue.
If Turkie had nuclear weapons, this question would not have arisen...


China and Russia will be happy to see Turkey in both BRICS and the SCO.
We should intensify our efforts around the Organization of the Turkic States and include a security/defence treaty.

This is an organization which should enforce its position in the region and for this it should keep a serious posture towards Russia.

After Azerbaijan did what it had to do in the Caucasus the position of Russia towards the country is different. We should enforce this same position in the whole Central Asian region, keep the independence and sovereignty of the countries part of the organization and build friendly neighboring relationships with countries like Russia and China.

As we see there is a New World Order being formed right now and the Turkic world should take its fair place in this world order as a stable and powerful alliance.
 

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One of the enemies of Turkiye is out of the game. It is time for celebration! 🥳🥳🥳

Senator Menendez, who was tried for bribery and corruption in the USA, was found guilty


Former Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez, who was tried in the USA on bribery and corruption charges, was found guilty by the court jury.

The court jury decided that Menendez was guilty of all 16 separate charges, including taking bribes, obstructing justice by pressuring investigations against him, and engaging in activities for a foreign country.

It is stated that Menendez may face up to 20 years in prison for each of the substances he is found guilty of.

Menendez is known for his anti-Turkiye stance and closeness to the Greek and Armenian lobbies in the US Congress. While Menendez was one of those who opposed the F-16 sale from the USA to Turkiye, he also brought up his discomfort with Turkiye's policies in the Mediterranean and Aegean at every opportunity.

 

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One of the enemies of Turkiye is out of the game. It is time for celebration! 🥳🥳🥳

Senator Menendez, who was tried for bribery and corruption in the USA, was found guilty

Former Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez, who was tried in the USA on bribery and corruption charges, was found guilty by the court jury.

The court jury decided that Menendez was guilty of all 16 separate charges, including taking bribes, obstructing justice by pressuring investigations against him, and engaging in activities for a foreign country.

It is stated that Menendez may face up to 20 years in prison for each of the substances he is found guilty of.

Menendez is known for his anti-Turkiye stance and closeness to the Greek and Armenian lobbies in the US Congress. While Menendez was one of those who opposed the F-16 sale from the USA to Turkiye, he also brought up his discomfort with Turkiye's policies in the Mediterranean and Aegean at every opportunity.

Mark my words, sooner or later his armenian wife will file for divorce, take half of his money and his life will crumble to hell. Loool🥳🥳🥳🥳
 
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Mark my words, sooner or later his greek wife will file for divorce, take half of his money and his life will crumble to hell. Loool🥳🥳🥳🥳
His wife is not Greek.
Worse. She is Armenian :cry:
Menendez is out of luck - she will leave him without pants:LOL:

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Folks! The lesson here is, evil cannot last forever.

And now we know how to win. We defencehub members and as a forum just need to outlast them.😁

And believe you me we will!
 

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Can you send your sources for such claims?
Mine came from the mouth of the Turkish minister of defense himself!!

Let me post the script for you👇👇
Turkish Defence Minister Nurettin Canikli has accused Israel of selling Ankara defective drones in a 2005 deal which affecting the country’s campaign against Kurdish militias in Iraq.

Canikli made the statements in an interview with Turkish newspaper Yeni Şafak, referring to ten Heron-model UAVs sold by Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) to Turkey as part of a $190 million deal signed in 2005. The deal is already a contentious issue, as Turkey had initially accused Israel of failing to provide spare parts alongside the equipment.

In 2008, Turkey froze the deal in protest of Israel’s bombing campaign in the Gaza Strip. The drones were finally delivered to Ankara in 2010.

“We paid many dollars for them, but we have never been able to effectively make use of them,” Canikli told the paper. “They [Israel] did it on purpose, so that we cannot use them. Israeli engineers sabotaged the intelligence systems of the drone. Afterwards we realized that we bombed rocks and most of the targets were missed.”

IAI released a statement denying the charges, terming them “delusional and deserve no response”.

Here is the source👇

These sources also works as a proof on how long the Israelis have been supporting the kurds against Turkey with blatant disregard to Turkish interests even when the relations were good back in 2005.

Israel, regardless of the narrative they take, will always view Turkey as an enemy! For the Zionists to be happy, they need to feel that they are the supreme power in the region and Turkey (in their eyes) is a pain in the ass towards such an ambition
Of course.

this is from Batman, in 2018

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These are from Batman again, in 2021.


Politicians lie for a living.
 

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I don't know this is the appropriate thread to post this, but it suprisingly fair article from Jerusalem Post on Cyprus.

The Cyprus crisis and Turkish invasion of 1974 - 50 years on​

The Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 was a pivotal event in the island's history, rooted in long-standing ethnic tensions and geopolitical rivalries.

By ALEX WINSTONJULY 14, 2024 12:34
Updated: JULY 14, 2024 13:07

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis met last week on the sidelines of the NATO Summit in Washington, D.C.

The two discussed the bilateral relations between Türkiye and Greece and Erdoğan emphasized Turkey's ongoing commitment to fostering a spirit of solidarity with Greece grounded in good neighborly relations, expressing that these efforts will continue to strengthen.

However, good neighborly relations have been difficult to come by over the years between the two Mediterranean neighbors.

Saturday, July 20, marks 50 years since the Turkish invasion of the island of Cyprus, the ripples of which are still being felt today. The precursor to the invasion was a Greek-engineered coup d’etat on July 15.The Turkish invasion of Cyprus, also known as the Cyprus Crisis of 1974, was a complex conflict with historical roots and significant geopolitical implications for the Mediterranean arena.

The conflict in Cyprus can trace its roots back to the island's diverse population and colonial history. Cyprus, located in the eastern Mediterranean, has a population comprising primarily Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. The island was under Ottoman rule from 1571 until 1878 when it came under British administration. Cyprus then remained a British colony until gaining independence in 1960 and British Army bases still dot the island. The constitution established a power-sharing arrangement between the Greek Cypriot majority and the Turkish Cypriot minority, but tensions soon emerged.


The Greek Cypriots, led by Archbishop Makarios, aspired to “Enosis”, or union with Greece, while the Turkish Cypriots, fearing marginalization, advocated for “Taksim”, or partition, of the island to ensure their security. These conflicting aspirations fueled communal strife and violence throughout the 1960s, leading to the establishment of United Nations peacekeeping forces in 1964.

The catalyst for the Turkish invasion

The immediate catalyst for the Turkish invasion was a coup d'état on July 15, 1974, orchestrated by the Greek military junta and the Cypriot National Guard. The coup aimed to overthrow President Makarios and achieve Enosis with Greece. The coup installed Nikos Sampson, a pro-Enosis hardliner, as the new leader of Cyprus. This move alarmed the Turkish government, which feared for the safety of the Turkish Cypriot community.

On July 20, 1974, Turkey launched Operation Atilla, a military intervention justified under the Treaty of Guarantee, which allowed Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom to intervene in Cyprus to restore constitutional order.

During the Cyprus Crisis, the Turkish military demonstrated its superiority through its well-coordinated invasion. The operation, known as "Operation Attila," involved a large-scale amphibious landing on the northern coast of Cyprus, supported by air and naval forces. Turkish paratroopers and infantry quickly established beachheads, despite facing resistance from Greek Cypriot and Greek forces.

The Greek and Greek Cypriot forces, although brave and determined, were ultimately overwhelmed by the superior numbers and firepower of the Turkish military. The Turkish forces secured key strategic locations, including the port city of Kyrenia and the Nicosia International Airport, effectively dividing the island.

The Crisis highlighted the significant military imbalance between Turkey and Greece at the time. Turkey's larger and better-equipped military force enabled it to execute a successful invasion and secure a strategic foothold in Cyprus.

Despite a ceasefire agreement on July 22, hostilities resumed, and by August 14, Turkish forces had secured approximately 37% of the island, effectively partitioning Cyprus along the Green Line, which remains the de facto border today.

The Turkish invasion led to significant displacement, with around 200,000 Greek Cypriots fleeing to the south and 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moving to the north. The conflict resulted in substantial loss of life and widespread destruction. A new political reality emerged with the establishment of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) in 1983, recognized only by Turkey.

The invasion and subsequent partition of Cyprus have had enduring consequences. The United Nations continues to maintain a peacekeeping force in Cyprus, and numerous rounds of negotiations have aimed to reunify the island, with varying degrees of success. The Annan Plan of 2004, a United Nations proposal for reunification, was accepted by Turkish Cypriots but rejected by Greek Cypriots in a referendum, illustrating the ongoing mistrust and divergent aspirations of the two communities.

To this day, in the island’s capital of Nicosia, one can see walls and border posts dividing the city into two.

The Cyprus conflict has left deep scars on the island and its people. The division of Cyprus has hindered economic development, perpetuated communal mistrust, and complicated the island's international relations. The Republic of Cyprus, representing the Greek Cypriot south, joined the European Union in 2004, but the acquis communautaire, the body of EU law, is suspended in the North due to the lack of a final settlement to the war.

Celebrations commemorating Turkey’s invasion within Turkey have been condemned by the Greek government - according to Turkish media reports an aircraft carrier along with some 50 naval ships will sail to Cyprus on July 20. Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis will be attending commemorative events, including memorial services, on the same day in the Greek part of Cyprus.

Efforts to resolve the Cyprus issue continue, with periodic talks brokered by the United Nations and other international actors. However, the path to reconciliation remains fraught with challenges, including property disputes, security concerns, and divergent national narratives.

The Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 was a pivotal event in the island's history, rooted in long-standing ethnic tensions and geopolitical rivalries. The invasion resulted in the partition of Cyprus, creating a legacy of division that persists to this day. Despite numerous attempts at reconciliation, a lasting resolution to the Cyprus conflict remains elusive, underscoring the complexities of addressing historical grievances and achieving peace.


The Cyprus crisis and Turkish invasion of 1974 - 50 years on
 

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President Erdogan:

Turkiye; It is a country that cannot be compressed into a single bloc due to its geographical, human, economic and historical ties.

We do not allow anyone to confine us to their own narrow patterns. We neither turn our backs on the East for the sake of the West nor neglect the West for the sake of the East.

 

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I thought it was Russia that would bring the uranium and return the waste at the end 🤔
 

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Contrary to all the rethoric and discourse, the fact is Custom Union with EU has been benefical we simply cant deny it .... İf joining BRICS will bring any economic benefits why not, since major players like China and Russia have very advantages economic relation with us... but I doupt it I mean I doupt that it will be really beneficial for us. Concerning cultural code we belong to Turkic Union and muasır medeniyet - contemporary civilization:devilish: but sure this should be not a reason to neglect Africa or any influence area newly appering or coming from our past Yet we should embrace the fact that we are TURK.

And we will continue to be a NATO member for quite a while:devilish:
 
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