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Rooxbar

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Funny coming from the Chinese channel, because they're not an American ally and still don't oppose Israel. They made the J-10 and J-20 thanks to Israel.

The channel is platforming anyone who is willing to poo-poo Israel, defend Hezbollah, etc. while China is over there saying "We want to live in love and peace with the world, please don't downgrade our credit rating, we love Israel and Hezbollah should disband itself."
 

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Funny coming from the Chinese channel, because they're not an American ally and still don't oppose Israel. They made the J-10 and J-20 thanks to Israel.
Don't we have veto rights on all-non tripartite military establishments? (anyone else but TR-GR-UK?)
 

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You are proving my point.

Yes, Israel and the Jewish lobby is actively working against Turkey but let's not forget who started this "Cold war"- it was Erdogan with his ambitions to be a Muslim leader and protector of Palestinians who provoked it (Davos, Mavi Marmara and etc). Out of nowhere he created problems and helped old ones to become even bigger.

I can write more and more but don't really want to waste time for stuff that we have discussed 1000 times before.
Yes, Erdogan started it all. He started with his speech in January in Switzerland, at a panel dedicated to restoring peace in the Middle East and Gaza.


That's how he "restored" peace :(
He was offended there by the American presenter of Greek origin Ignatius. And he ... exploded. And then and now I consider his speech a big mistake.
Erdogan announced "zero problems with neighbors" that same year.
(Probably few people remember the "Zurich Protocol" today, which provided for the opening of the border with Armenia)
The following year, he sent Mavi Marmara to Gaza.
In 2016, Obama himself decided to reconcile him with Netanyahu. Netanyahu personally asked for a petition for Marmara. But...
This, so to speak, policy has been going on for 15 years:(
 
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Never pay attention to what they say, everything they say is meant to distract, destabilise you or influence your actions in their favour. Only pay attention to what they do and once you do that, everything they have done is consistent and everything they do moving forward will be consistent.

I dont care how many positive or negative things they have said about Turkiye, what i can see is their PKK policy has been consistent, didn't matter who came in and who went out, the agenda remained the same. I treat American foreign policy as if a total dictatorship is calling the shots, because a thousand elections wont change its course.

Only thing that can effect it or change it, is the power the opposing side has to bring to the table.

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”

Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time"

For the most part American elections are just theatre.

In England for example even the common lay person can see how both parties labour and conservative are nearly identical in policy and outlook. Nothing changes except that the agenda persists.
You might find this an interesting read, relevant to what you're saying here: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/narrative-and-reality-in-trump-47
 

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It started at early 90s with First Gulf War(gas atack on Iraq Kurds and no fly zone ban ) and became offical with Second Gulf War(hood event).Erdogan's Davos thing was the day we started our active retalation towards them thats all.
 

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