TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[selim]

So, on the one hand we have Imperialists spending trilliions of $ on war since 9/11.
Clearly trying to change borders of Iraq, Syria and likely Iran.
Who comes next if they suceed ? Turkey ! Independed of Erdogan ruling Turkey or not !
They're trying to create some kind of PKK/YPF/SDF - Kurdish state with access to Mediteranean or at least access to Israel via Syria land-bridge to Israel.
In that area of operation they placed USA GI Jonnys as human shields, personal bodyguards to people like Mazlum Abdi and also shot down Turkish UAVs.
This situation is unbearble, either we can compromise with Trump or US-Turkish relations will become very hostile-

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Turkey needs strong partners and allies in Muslim world.
Unfortunately Arab world is completely embedded into US imperial structure.
If Turkey were in war with Israel today countries like UAE, Saudi would be on opposite side of Turkey scheming, planning, plotting to hit Turkish economy.
Saudi, UAE could stop whole Israel madness in Mid-East by embargoing oil-exports to West, but they don't do it.
Monarchy, Regime survival is priority for them - Who can save their Monarchies and deploy let's say 50.000 soldiers when people rise-up ? --> USA.
That's the only reason they're in bed with Israel given Jewish control of US congress.
I don't accuse them of being convinced Israel lovers, they simply know only USA could save their regimes.

I believe someday people of this region will rise-up, probaly statring from Egypt.
UAE is totally artificial country of about 10 million with only 1 million true Emiratis, rest are basically slave-labors.
Once Saudi or Egypt falls cards will be shuffled anew.
MBS in Saudi maybe rules S.Arabia, but these are tribal societies. MBS' father still lives and is considered unchallenged King (tribal leader), we'll see if Saudi Arabian society will accept MBS's NEOM, Jew-loving aspirations once actual King dies.

You can't rely on the Arabs in the governments at the moment, they are only out to maximize the power of their families/tribes.
The second is that in their eyes Turkey is just as much an enemy as Israel, with the exception of Qatar & Co.
They are forced to let Israel have its way and to some extent they also want Israel to exercise dominance in the region.
Firstly, to have Turkey and Iran under control by Israel/USA.
Secondly, as many already know, Israel is covered by the USA and is virtually invulnerable.
They in turn, as you have already noticed, are responsible for maintaining the power of their royal families and tribes, governments in Saudi Arabia, UAE & Co.
I don't think that all the people of Saudi Arabia, UAE & Co are totally happy about what the USA/Israel has been doing in the Middle East for decades.
If the conflict continues like this there will be a revolt sooner or later, the citizens are not happy with the way their governments are destroying and burning the Middle East.
I have met many people of Arab, Moroccan and Tunisian descent in Germany who are more fixated on Erdogan than their own governments, who are totally passive and do not address things that are wrong in the Middle East.
They even think that a modified Ottoman Empire in the form of an EU/NATO would make more sense as all countries would join forces and exert pressure because the Arab League is a total farce where the royal families, rulers and the like just jerk each other off.

 

[Iskander]

You can't rely on the Arabs in the governments at the moment, they are only out to maximize the power of their families/tribes.
The second is that in their eyes Turkey is just as much an enemy as Israel, with the exception of Qatar & Co.
They are forced to let Israel have its way and to some extent they also want Israel to exercise dominance in the region.
Firstly, to have Turkey and Iran under control by Israel/USA.
Secondly, as many already know, Israel is covered by the USA and is virtually invulnerable.
They in turn, as you have already noticed, are responsible for maintaining the power of their royal families and tribes, governments in Saudi Arabia, UAE & Co.
I don't think that all the people of Saudi Arabia, UAE & Co are totally happy about what the USA/Israel has been doing in the Middle East for decades.
If the conflict continues like this there will be a revolt sooner or later, the citizens are not happy with the way their governments are destroying and burning the Middle East.
I have met many people of Arab, Moroccan and Tunisian descent in Germany who are more fixated on Erdogan than their own governments, who are totally passive and do not address things that are wrong in the Middle East.
They even think that a modified Ottoman Empire in the form of an EU/NATO would make more sense as all countries would join forces and exert pressure because the Arab League is a total farce where the royal families, rulers and the like just jerk each other off.

Or leave the Arab-Israeli problems to the Arabs and Israelis...

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Or leave the Arab-Israeli problems to the Arabs and Israelis...

In my opinion the best solution would be for them to tear each other apart and for Turkey to simply close the borders with a very wide and very dense concrete mix of beton walls and steel fence from Armenia -> Iran -> Syria -> Irak with drone patrols watching flights 24 hours a day like the USA does with Mexico.
Then you won't have any PKK/YPG problems at home because you will also be disrupting their network too, but there is no political will here, whether AKP, MHP, CHP or anyone else.
Nobody will do that. If we were to propose this to the EU. They would certainly support it, they don't want these people no matter what their human rights charter says.

 

[Iskander]

In my opinion the best solution would be for them to tear each other apart and for Turkey to simply close the borders with a very wide and very dense concrete mix of beton walls and steel fence from Armenia -> Iran -> Syria -> Irak with drone patrols watching flights 24 hours a day like the USA does with Mexico.
Then you won't have any PKK/YPG problems at home because you will also be disrupting their network too, but there is no political will here, whether AKP, MHP, CHP or anyone else.
Nobody will do that. If we were to propose this to the EU. They would certainly support it, they don't want these people no matter what their human rights charter says.

I can agree with all your proposals regarding the Middle East. Regarding the "Charter of Man", I have long been convinced that this Charter, speaking about Man, means only the "progressive part of humanity" (in other words - the West), but not the «regressive» Middle East, and in general Asia and Africa.

 

[Asena_great]

@IC3M@N FX @selim i dont know what to tell you your post is just showing how brainwashed you are all of your info including " erdogan rejected participation in 2003 Iraq invasion" in fact erdogan did eveything he could to help americans to land in turkey and invaed iraq and AKP voted for invasion but 28 şubat generals oppsied him and AKP needed 2/3 majorty in parliament which islamist couldnt get

in the left ismail hakkı karadayı cheif of general staff during 28 şubat in the right erdogan president of turkey
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@IC3M@N FX @selim ok since you claim turkey was supplicant in 90s let us compare ismail hakki karadayı and erdogan lets see who is supplicant and who successfully defied the imperialist's plan and protected turkey

there are even more evets during 90s but these are the point i could fit in the picture. just like erdogan haveing american protected YPG on the other side of border ismail hakki karadayı had turgut özel's mini kurdistan protected by hammer force (americans english and french soldiers ) despite they threat turkey and declared they will protect kurdistan ismail hakkı daradayı ordered the opration çelik in order to destroy the turgut özel's mini kurdistan and hand over the norhren iraq to central iraqi government

left picture leaders of çelik opration from right to left Osman Pamukoğlu Hasan Kundakçı and İlker Başbuğ futuer cheif of general staff that was puttin in jail in ergenekon and balyoz kumpas trail during tayypçi fetöcu iktidar of AKP-Fetö-PKK alliance in 2000s in the right picture "Gazi, sultangai Mahallesi olayları"

in iraq front

when TSK gather forces near border and everyone realized their attention islamist started alevi- sunni fight in istanbul the famous "Gazi, sultangai Mahallesi olayları" where army had to put it down fast. this brought time for PKK to prepare and for the west to put pressure on 28 şubat generals to stop the operation but ismail hakki karadayi didnt stop it and attacked the american soilders in northren iraq had to run and pkk left alone now erdogan have same situation with YPG and he is supplicant to the imperialist plan the west using their pawn and media blackend the name of our generals and their tactics worked as during ergenekon balyoz and 28 şubat kupas trial those who were defiant the US punished by court full of tarikat and cemaat including fetullah gulen's tarikat

Çelik Harekâtı - Vikipedi

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Operation Hammer (1997) - Wikipedia

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Operation Dawn (1997) - Wikipedia

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erdogan supported the invasion of iraqand he is responsible for kurdistan in iraq while 28 şubat generals follow the bitlis doctrine and prevented the foreign powers to gain foot hold in the region
in syrain front

jitem oprtated beyond border of turkey this include syria were they had multiple assasination attempt on öcalan including mehmut yeşil. the opration were give away by turgut özel and tansu çiller and öcalan survived. later arif doğan the founders of jitem stand trailed and sentence to jail during çözüm süreci

28 şubat generals successfully defeated islamist treachery during sincan kudus gecesi where islamist invited iranian ambassdor and call for sharia regime general çevik bir sealed the weapon deal and received f16s super cobra helicopters etc and stop the jewish lobby from kicking turkey out of f35 program when turkey recived the weapons turkey threatend war with Syria despite they had defence pact with iran and syria forced to deport öcalan he later captured in africa by kommandos of general engin alan. he was later arrested and sentance to 18.5 years in jail during ergenekon and balyoz kumpas trails

erdogan in order to 31ing his islamic fantasy strike a deal during çözüm süreci and brought the PKK terrorist from iraq to kobani in syria via turkish soil they even gave them lahmacun when PKK was entering the border. now erdogan created a kurdistan in syria which is protected by US and we got 13 million refugees as resulte when gorge soros said refugees need to stay in turkey erdogan said we wont sent them back. PKK lobby tried hard in west to remove the PKK from terrorist list by saying turkey is working with us but they faild now the bahçeli and erdogan wanting to brning öcalan to parliment to speak im sure this time PKK will be remove from the list and all the right given to us for cross border opration by international law will be lost to us and we will soon have kurdistan in turkey with this new çözüm süreci by erdogan

Cyprus front

Christian motorcycle gang from Americans to Canadians to Irish to British all of them came to Cyprus to cross the UN buffer zone to pull down Turkish flag. this was happening a summer before 28 şubat and 28 şubat generals open fired on the greek who cross the buffer zone and tried to pull down our flag then the 2 UN British soldiers who encourage the greek to pull down the flag were shot not fatally

another thing was the assassination attempt on hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu as he was army inner circle and fetö was on rise after 28 şubat around 250 fetöcu fired from army alng with around 750 other tarikat members. he was the only cheif of general staff that openly accouse west on helping pkk and he almost gone on war with the US over Kirkuk if paul wolfowitz deputy of secretary defence included kirkuk in Kurdistan he said we will enter from north.
hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu is the general who faoumusly said " if irtica gonna last for 1000 years so does 28 şubat"

and paul wolfowitz find a suitable replacement for him for tarikat member himi özkök become chief of general staff after him at 2002 the same year that akp won in parliament

the Çuval Olayı in 2003 happend during the tarikat member himi özkök time he was pro US and he sold all the hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu's men during Çuval Olayı as they were trying to created a turkmenli in iraq later when erdogan open the kozmik oda the name of all the iraqi turkmens working with 28 şubat generals revealed and later killed by peshmerga

now lets see what erdogan did he threated and forced Turkish cyprus to say yes in 2004 unifications referendum aka annan plan

2004 Cypriot Annan Plan referendums - Wikipedia

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he put admiral cem gürdeniz the father of mavi vatan in jail during ergenkon and balyoz trials now abondon the mavi vatan and now with the new çözüm süreci he is negotiating on how to give up Cyprus to greek and we only hear the news from greek media because erdgoan banned the news from turkish media

agean sea front

during kardak island crisis 28 generals sucessfully defened turkish right and as result forced US to sell some of the advanced weapons in a way that the turkis airforce become strongest airforced in islamic world and it has equpment that not even UK airforce had at the time ofc iranian used their pawn in erbakan's refah party to stop the deal during sincan kudus gecesi but diplomatic skill of general çevik bir save the day

now lets see what erdogan is doing during infamous " no problem with neighbors " aka give taviz to all neighbors with well know watermelon selling diplomacy tayyip gave away several islands then when greek violated the treaty of lausanne were state that greeks cant move population to the island cant make constructions on the island and cant militarized the island instead of stop the greek not only erdogan did nothing he allowed to greek islanders to buy supplies from turkish mainland making it easier for greek to populate the island and when we ask why are you helping the greeks he answerd oh trade is good for economy WTF. not only the " no problem with neighbors " didnt solved any problem but now with the second çözüm süreci greeks are demanding more

the enemy within

sady i cant post more picture in one post but lets start with islamist whom wanted regime change, working with saudia arabia and iran. iran used islamist to break the weapons deal between turkey and US the also have diyanet imam murdered and let the murderer to flee to iran while. iran also supported any sharia groups who wanted to over throw the republic and condemned TSK's opration in iraq. saudi arabia weaponized the hajj pilgrimage aginst turkish state and used to create radical jihadist who wanted to end democracy in turkey. they also finance the islamist groups the most famouse one was abdulah gül one of the founder of AKP they make him rich so he could create party and win elections another group was al-hariri familiy in lebenon they also invested in AKP and after they came to power erdogan gave türk telekom to them. cemalettin kaplan declared his caliphate from city of köln and in his inter view with 32 gün said democrasy is a christian practice thats why democrasy need to end in turkey. islamist start working with all the enemies of republic from pkk to armenians to iran and arabs westrens. şeviki yılmaz erbakan's refah paty's member of parliment said we must work with all intelligent service in other to overthrow the athiest regime and bring sharia law. he later said PKK did the wrong thing they took up arms before they came to power we will took up arms after we come to power ( genociding secularist) he later said either we will rise like muslim of iran to overthow the regime or we will bring a muslim party to power and finish the job softly and turkish army cant protect turkey. and finally with yeşil sermaye islamist scam mostly conservative german turks up to 4 billion euros in order to do politics. one of the 18 demands of 28 şubat was to put an end to yeşil sermaye and return the remaining money to the victims the reasons that the turkish diaspora in germnay is weak and we never saw doctors/engineers/lawyers/bussiness man generation like armenian diaspora was becouse islamist (erbakan fetullah gulen abdullah gul adnan oktar erdogan etc) took their money and ran with it some in germany committed suicide. i can go on and on on islamist terrorism but im too tired to type but the famouse one are the hizbullah and sivas massecare.

all that i mention above lead to 28 şubat and generals put 18 demand in front of erbakan and demanded him to sign them


im too tired to type more

in 2000s when ergenekon balyoz and 28 şubat kupas trail were on full swing and 2004 annan plan for cyprus, clearing mines from border and çözüm süreci was breaking the country apart Yaşar Büyükanıt make a last attempt to save the republic he meet with AKP's puppet masters. in the meeting with cheif of general staff of US army peter pace he said "those(the west) who trying to break apart turkey (via AKP) will only find nightmares"


edit : @IC3M@N FX @selim tell me again who successfully defended turkey and who is a "büyük ortadoğu projesi eşbaşkanı" and "garson devleti" ??

 

[Asena_great]

at the first 10 min of the videos above you can see conservatives german turks whom were scammed up to 4 billion dollar begging to turkish government to return the money islamist have stolen. one of 18 demand of 28 şubat generals was to put an end to yeşil sermaye

this book explain the whole thing

general hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu visited the commander of 1st army çetin doğan and ask whether himi özkök is member of tarikat since he is next in line to become cheif of general staff. in 90s army created 2 group to fight the 2 greatest threat the republic was facing batı çalışma grubu which was resonsible for threat of irtica (fetö adnan oktar and tarikats) doğu çalışma grubu responsible for fighting PKK .

çetin doğan was in batı çalışma grubu he was able to put his man into many tarikats including Fetö's this allowed 28 şubat generals to identify them and fire them from army. sadly when general hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu ask whether himi özkök is a member of tarikat, çetin doğan mistakenly identify him as conservative and the rest is 2000s and history

 

[Rooxbar]

Supplicant!!! Look at operation Atilla and compare that to Annan plan and you'll see what supplicant means. And that was in the 70s, what with all the global economic recession and the rest of it. The begging that's been going on for f16s which is due to the purge of the secular foreign policy actors and "monşers" who knew the ins and outs of the U.S. political system and how to exploit it is also another great sign compared to the amount of technology transfer we got when we forced them to agree to domestic production, along with the deal we got out of them via the negotiations to be partner in f-35 consortium which started in 1997 and culminated in 2002 compared to how we got kicked out and couldn't do zilch about it, along with how they've been holding every single refugee who wants to go to EU inside our country paying pennies for every dollar of our resources which they gobble up, along with this:

 

[IC3M@N FX]

@Asena_great It's just too long for me why can't you reduce it to a minimum instead of posting or telling the complete story here. Above all, I don't know if you're not cherry picking what you're doing....z.b bending the story without having watched every single video or accusing you of lying or being untruthful, I must honestly admit it's too exhausting for me to read it all.

So my question is, when you compare the past with the countless coups the country has experienced, has there ever been a benefit for the people and the country? Were the people better off after the economy was driven to the wall several times when 1 German Mark was worth 1000000 Lira? Where children sold Sümit & Cola at 10 p.m. in long-distance bus stations in torn T-shirts and plastic shoes when there were hardly any airports to East Anatolia.
Of course there is still poverty in Turkey today, but in my time I had almost only seen these situations.
There was only rich or poor, the middle class was non-existent like in many third world countries.

I also knew this Turkey in the 80-90s where there was no infrastructure, no proper medical care anywhere in Turkey, and the restaurants and stores sold expired food, where bus rest stops stank of shit because they hadn't cleaned their toilets for eons because there was no quality standard or self-esteem to pass this on to other people.
I remember when I was on vacation in my childhood, there was so well no Turkey vacation where I had no stomach virus these memories firmly anchored with me.

I want to be honest, I am not interested in what Erdogan and his family may be doing, or embezzling money, or practicing nepotism! Because I know the next politician who comes to power will do exactly the same.
It has been done in the past, it is being done in the present and it will be done in the future.

For me, only tangible things are important!
What he do in his term of office:

Has the quality of life of the people in the country been improved compared to before in the general population? Yes

Has the air, train and bus infrastructure been improved? Yes

Would medical care be improved across the board? Yes

Has the energy infrastructure been improved? Yes

Has the technology in the country been improved both in the industry & defense industry and most recently also for the civilian population through synergies? Yes

Have standards been set for food regulations in stores and healthcare in restaurants? Yes

As I said, Erdogan is no saint and there are many things he does wrong, but no one can deny his successes!

 

[Asena_great]

It's just too long for me why can't you reduce it to a minimum instead of posting or telling the complete story here.

dede i have nothing else to tell you and in my opinion your right to vote need to be revoked.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

dede i have nothing else to tell you and in my opinion your right to vote need to be revoked.

I am 42 years old and far from Dede, there are many people like me who know the past and the present, and I am glad that many people think rationally. If I were an American, I would vote for Trump. I just want to see people in government who can act and make a difference.
Previous governments have had their chance and have failed miserably. For me, the debate about whether Erdogan is good or bad is also exhausting. If you can do better, then you should stand for election and convince people that you can do better and help all people in Turkey with different interest groups and ethnicities. Good luck...... because you will always be the asshole of one interest group.

 

[Zoth]

Has the air, train and bus infrastructure been improved? Yes

Would medical care be improved across the board? Yes

Has the energy infrastructure been improved? Yes

Has the technology in the country been improved both in the industry & defense industry and most recently also for the civilian population through synergies? Yes

Have standards been set for food regulations in stores and healthcare in restaurants? Yes

By just reading this part i can tell that this friend has not lived in Turkey for a very long time, i'm not trying to personally target him but living in Turkey as a Turk can be considered one of the worst fates. A typical normal Turkish person dosn't even have a free healthcare compared to a syrian refugee in damn Turkey.

I won't even mention the food regulation part, this is just totally wrong.


Has those points you mentioned improved? Yes, but at what cost? Making a bridge that costs 4x times the amount that would normally cost, making it also passenger guaranteed that burdens the daily person even more with taxes and costs.

Again, at what cost?

 

[Rooxbar]

@Asena_great Were the people better off after the economy was driven to the wall several times when 1 German Mark was worth 1000000 Lira?

That's not how currencies work btw, the brute numbers tell us nothing; it's like saying 10000 mm is bigger than 5 inches. 46 Mauritian Rupee is 1 dollar, while 154 Japanese Yen is also one dollar, but obviously the bigger number, Japanese Yen in this case, is not the worse one, although its nominal value is lower than the Mauritian one.

It's about average income, rate of minimum wage workers, inflation, purchasing power, circulating supply, etc.; it's relative. You can have a currency (let's call it Lorin) with exchange rate of 1 billion Lorin to 1 dollar but the people in the country earn on average 10k billion Lorens a month which makes it 10k dollars, if it's with comparable inflation with the world average that would make it a very strong currency due to the purchasing power of the amount of it in circulation.

 

[Zoth]

That's not how currencies work btw, the brute numbers tell us nothing, it's like saying 10000 mm is bigger than 5 inches. 46 Mauritian Rupee is 1 dollar, while 154 Japanese Yen is also one dollar, but obviously the bigger number is not the worse one. It's about average income, rate of minimum wage workers, inflation, purchasing power; it's relative.

Just to add to this very true take, what's more important is the stability of the currency(inflation/deflation), when the currency is very unstable, inland market has hard time on setting the real prices, which what they end up doing is overpricing just so they can compensate against very unstable currency( for the inflation in our case).

 

[Iskander]

Washington insists on the extradition of Hamas members if they are really in Turkey, State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said at a briefing.

"I've seen reports that some of the Hamas leadership that was in Doha has now moved to Turkey," he said. "We don't believe that the leaders of a brutal terrorist organization should live comfortably anywhere, ... some of these individuals have been accused by the United States for a long time [of committing various crimes]. We believe that they should be handed over to the United States."

The Americans seem to have found an excellent excuse to refuse Turkey supplies ... already F16.
Hamas will now play the role of the S400

Американцы потребуют у Турции хамасовцев

haqqin.az

 

[Ryder]

Washington insists on the extradition of Hamas members if they are really in Turkey, State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said at a briefing.

"I've seen reports that some of the Hamas leadership that was in Doha has now moved to Turkey," he said. "We don't believe that the leaders of a brutal terrorist organization should live comfortably anywhere, ... some of these individuals have been accused by the United States for a long time [of committing various crimes]. We believe that they should be handed over to the United States."

The Americans seem to have found an excellent excuse to refuse Turkey supplies ... already F16.
Hamas will now play the role of the S400

Американцы потребуют у Турции хамасовцев

haqqin.az

Hamas stayed in Qatar for a decade or so. I never heard of the USA screeching about sanctions or embargoes on Qatar.

 

[Zoth]

Hamas stayed in Qatar for a decade or so. I never heard of the USA screeching about sanctions or embargoes on Qatar.

At this point we shouldn't really care to be totally honest, the world is not unipolar anymore, they don't have the balls to fully sanction us, even if they do something this crazy, they should be ready to fully lose us at this rate.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Washington insists on the extradition of Hamas members if they are really in Turkey, State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said at a briefing.

"I've seen reports that some of the Hamas leadership that was in Doha has now moved to Turkey," he said. "We don't believe that the leaders of a brutal terrorist organization should live comfortably anywhere, ... some of these individuals have been accused by the United States for a long time [of committing various crimes]. We believe that they should be handed over to the United States."

The Americans seem to have found an excellent excuse to refuse Turkey supplies ... already F16.
Hamas will now play the role of the S400

Американцы потребуют у Турции хамасовцев

haqqin.az

s400 was typical terrible islamist style politics. They probably thought both russia and the usa is supporting my enemies in sryia, if i buy s400, Russia will show me favours, while the Americans seeing i'm moving towards Russia they will relent on their support for greater middle east. In reality all that happened is that once they went russian they encouraged the americans to screw us, while the russians seeing we lost leverage with the americans bent us over harder. S400 was so dumb, a proper belly dancer style of politics that has been typical of ak party.

However once they booted these loser islamists from f35 and humilated them in front of the entire world, they had to hold course. What they could not do is go back begging the americans. Because by doing that, you basically told them that their strategy to bully and humiliate Islamic civilisation worked. Guess what, they will keep doing it.

Whichever short-sighted moron thought to buy russian shit, had to do so with the full acceptance that this may be the point we never buy american again. But ofcourse these belly dancers didn't think of that. But don't worry an airport or two got built in the southeast so the success cannot be refuted.

Middle east is finished, its just a matter of time when the entire region becomes the new Palestine.

 

[Asena_great]

Washington insists on the extradition of Hamas members if they are really in Turkey, State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said at a briefing.

"I've seen reports that some of the Hamas leadership that was in Doha has now moved to Turkey," he said. "We don't believe that the leaders of a brutal terrorist organization should live comfortably anywhere, ... some of these individuals have been accused by the United States for a long time [of committing various crimes]. We believe that they should be handed over to the United States."

The Americans seem to have found an excellent excuse to refuse Turkey supplies ... already F16.
Hamas will now play the role of the S400

Американцы потребуют у Турции хамасовцев

haqqin.az

sure why not i am willing to handover hamas leaders to US in exchange i have a list of fetöcu including Ünal Tatar the former employee in TÜBİTAK who made forged document and evidence against army and play a key role in opening of kozmik oda

he is currently a professor in american university and tech cyber security

Unal Tatar

Dr. Unal Tatar is an Associate Professor in the Department of Cybersecurity at the University at Albany, SUNY, where he has been a member of the faculty since 2018. He brings more than two decades of experience in cybersecurity, spanning government, academia and international initiatives.

www.albany.edu

the link above is his page

 

[Dennixtoue]

Washington insists on the extradition of Hamas members if they are really in Turkey, State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said at a briefing.

"I've seen reports that some of the Hamas leadership that was in Doha has now moved to Turkey," he said. "We don't believe that the leaders of a brutal terrorist organization should live comfortably anywhere, ... some of these individuals have been accused by the United States for a long time [of committing various crimes]. We believe that they should be handed over to the United States."

The Americans seem to have found an excellent excuse to refuse Turkey supplies ... already F16.
Hamas will now play the role of the S400

Американцы потребуют у Турции хамасовцев

haqqin.az

This is America State Department hypocrites, the indiscriminate slaughter of Afghans and Iraqis, the slaughter of defenseless children by Washington, all because of the Zionist politicalin Washington, all serial killers who support colossal genocide committed by the hands of Israel. The Jews of America who commit war crimes around the world, yes, the collaborators to traitors of America should be handed over to us for trial.