TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Bogeyman]

Lol SETA, I remember one of their analysts spent a year on a report on SNA, published it only for social media to tear it apart for showing high rates of child recruitment. Shortly afterwards the USA put TR on the list for child recruitment. This was the first time a NATO country was on this list.

The analyst Ömer deleted the report and was promoted.

Murat Yetkin: ABD’nin Türkiye’ye “çocuk asker” suçlaması altından, AK Parti çizgisindeki düşünce kuruluşu SETA çıkabilir

Murat Yetkin: ABD’nin Türkiye’ye “çocuk asker” suçlaması altından, AK Parti çizgisindeki düşünce kuruluşu SETA çıkabilir

t24.com.tr

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1411926814327554049

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1411053219091030019

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1410884844779982853

So what if the USA blacklisted us? The USA itself provides open support to YPG, which forcibly recruits children. Nobody says a word to the USA. International relations are shaped around power. If you want to defend your own interests, then you will not accept such fake impositions on you. The genocides committed by the USA in Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq have clearly revealed how dirty they are. In this case, it is unthinkable that such a country would accuse Turkey with such allegations.

I'm telling the general public
If you turn Turkey's national values into a matter of domestic politics and open them up for discussion, you will become a partner in their plans, even if unknowingly. The essence of foreign policy is pure power politics. The power of discourses or claims is not measured by your legitimacy. It is measured by your national power elements.

They will only listen and take into consideration if you are strong. Then even if you are cruel, you will be declared right. But if you are weak, no one will listen to your righteous cause.

 

[Ryder]

EU has already closed the book on TR accession to the EU, relations worsen

Turkey's Gaza fury deepens splits with EU

After a bloody October 7 raid by Hamas fighters triggered Israel's bombardment of Gaza, Erdogan sought to position Turkey as a mediator.

www.digitaljournal.com

They would rather get Moldova in rather than Turkiye.

Shows once again what a farce the EU is.

They also took in Cyprus into the EU with that effort they know that Turkiye going into EU is now doomed as they got Cyprus in and the Cyprus issue has not been solved.

By this rate Russia even has a better chance in getting into the EU rather than Turkiye.

Good old Christian Club.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722534642085974156

Regardless of what people think of Erdogan.

He hits the spot right here.

But he also send Davutoglu to walk alongside those world leaders.

I mean, that was a terrorist attack no doubt and should have been condemned explicitly, but that was too much for someone claiming to be a devout muslim to stand with a piece of garbage like Charlie Hebdo.

 

[Ryder]

But he also send Davutoglu to walk alongside those world leaders.

I mean, that was a terrorist attack no doubt and should have been condemned explicitly, but that was too much for someone claiming to be a devout muslim to stand with a piece of garbage like Charlie Hebdo.

1 death is a tragedy while a thousand is just a statistic

 

[Bozan]

U.S. Investigating Whether Adams Received Illegal Donations From Turkey (Published 2023)

A raid at the home of Eric Adams’s chief fund-raiser was part of an inquiry into whether foreign money was funneled into his mayoral campaign, a search warrant shows.

www.nytimes.com

FBI searches home of New York mayor's chief campaign fundraiser

FBI agents searched the home of New York City Mayor Eric Adams' chief election campaign fundraiser, Brianna Suggs, on Thursday, and she was questioned by public corruption investigators, city officials and local media reported.

www.reuters.com

Hmm

"Adams's 2021 mayoral campaign conspired with a Brooklyn construction company and the Turkish government to funnel foreign money into the campaign"

F.B.I. Seizes Eric Adams’s Phones as Campaign Investigation Intensifies

Days after a raid at Mr. Adams’s chief fund-raiser’s home, federal agents took the mayor’s phones and iPad, two people with knowledge of the matter said.

www.nytimes.com

FBI have escalated the investigation. I wonder if this is related to the Turkish embassy building or anything else in new York

Also apparently TR spent thousands of dollars giving this guy free holidays in TR lol

 

[Ryder]

F.B.I. Seizes Eric Adams’s Phones as Campaign Investigation Intensifies

Days after a raid at Mr. Adams’s chief fund-raiser’s home, federal agents took the mayor’s phones and iPad, two people with knowledge of the matter said.

www.nytimes.com

FBI have escalated the investigation. I wonder if this is related to the Turkish embassy building or anything else in new York

Also apparently TR spent thousands of dollars giving this guy free holidays in TR lol

Why was Turkiye supporting Eric Adams?

 

[Nilgiri]

If India will not fight with us when we go to war with Greece, then there is no need to dream big with India. Interstate relations are, above all, established with sincerity. You cannot walk a long way with a state that is hypocritical towards us. Or, for his sake, you cannot waste a country that you are truly sincere to. This is a strategic politics 101 course beyond political Islam. Some of us dream big. However, when it comes to serious matters, India will not support us at the expense of its relations with the USA. You must understand this.

No one's asking you to "dream big". Just think real.

Not everything need to be some reductive thing hinging on "war with Greece".... just like everything for countries w.r.t Pakistan need not hinge on "war with India" (or "war with AFG, Iran, with itself ").

Turkiye has developed strong relations in all kind of arenas with countries that will likely overtly take Greek side in any war in future (and such war should hopefully never come)...and are in far greater proximity to the theater to begin with. The NATO alliance, EU bloc et al. have all impressed their way upon Turkiye....does it mean Turkiye did not and does not deploy significant resources to those relationships?

Just like India has over time deployed significant relationship building with countries that have taken and still take overtly the Pakistani or Chinese side on matters (including the US, West and larger muslim world etc etc in the past and some in the present too).

But you don't know results unless you try things wisely in structured way with what you have.

It is not like Pakistan deep down doesn't know Turkish limit, the Pakistani major general gave an account here when push came to shove here:

1971 Crisis : THE GREAT CENTO LET DOWN
Maj Gen (Retd) S WAJAHAT HUSSAIN

The origins of Pakistan-Turkish BROTHERHOOD

Indian republic founded after British Indian rule ended. It is remarkable how Indian's use 'India' [present day Indian Republic] when the fact of the matter is there was a BRITISH INDIA prior to 1947. I was just going through UK National Archives yesterday from the partition files. They record...

defencehub.live

You see in the earlier days of the certain subhuman psyche forum that ejected "biraader" Turks en masse from it to spur creation of this forum in first place (that mental drama of the hyper-islamist-ummah, especially the ayatollah variant... vs Ataturk having come to its conclusion there at that point).... I remember chatting with one so called "elevated" contributor there as to what he thought of Turkiye naming a road after Sheikh Mujib Rahman, that too after this "vast help" given by TR to Pakistan in its largest existential challenge and the drastic manner of its conclusion.

In the reply he gave, was really early indication already why the hyper-islamist prefers certain things and why...and eventually out came an utter contempt for Ataturk and Turkish nationalist ethos as well (since these things made Turkiye think things in its own independent way, rather than what people like him demanded it think). There is reason ultimately why Pakistan heads down the direction it is heading down right now....the fire that Ataturk lit in Turkiye simply never had a chance to start in Pakistan's psyche.

Past that, it makes quite a lot of sense to me now, why I persist in this forum, versus the "biraaders" who prefer to persist there in their various states of depraved mental squalor (and all the fellow travellers addicted to this, incl many Indians, Bangladeshis, Iranians, Westerners, Chinese etc etc unfortunately) when options fully given regarding basic order vs chaos for trying to actually get somewhere good in discussions and understanding.

 

[Asena_great]

If India will not fight with us when we go to war with Greece, then there is no need to dream big with India. Interstate relations are, above all, established with sincerity. You cannot walk a long way with a state that is hypocritical towards us. Or, for his sake, you cannot waste a country that you are truly sincere to. This is a strategic politics 101 course beyond political Islam. Some of us dream big. However, when it comes to serious matters, India will not support us at the expense of its relations with the USA. You must understand this.

typical pelikan mentality

 

[Heartbang]

Why was Turkiye supporting Eric Adams?

Yeah, why? He's a lackey at best.
Not a wise investment.

 

[Bogeyman]

No one's asking you to "dream big". Just think real.

Not everything need to be some reductive thing hinging on "war with Greece".... just like everything for countries w.r.t Pakistan need not hinge on "war with India" (or "war with AFG, Iran, with itself ").

Turkiye has developed strong relations in all kind of arenas with countries that will likely overtly take Greek side in any war in future (and such war should hopefully never come)...and are in far greater proximity to the theater to begin with. The NATO alliance, EU bloc et al. have all impressed their way upon Turkiye....does it mean Turkiye did not and does not deploy significant resources to those relationships?

Just like India has over time deployed significant relationship building with countries that have taken and still take overtly the Pakistani or Chinese side on matters (including the US, West and larger muslim world etc etc in the past and some in the present too).

But you don't know results unless you try things wisely in structured way with what you have.

It is not like Pakistan deep down doesn't know Turkish limit, the Pakistani major general gave an account here when push came to shove here:

1971 Crisis : THE GREAT CENTO LET DOWN
Maj Gen (Retd) S WAJAHAT HUSSAIN

The origins of Pakistan-Turkish BROTHERHOOD

Indian republic founded after British Indian rule ended. It is remarkable how Indian's use 'India' [present day Indian Republic] when the fact of the matter is there was a BRITISH INDIA prior to 1947. I was just going through UK National Archives yesterday from the partition files. They record...

defencehub.live

You see in the earlier days of the certain subhuman psyche forum that ejected "biraader" Turks en masse from it to spur creation of this forum in first place (that mental drama of the hyper-islamist-ummah, especially the ayatollah variant... vs Ataturk having come to its conclusion there at that point).... I remember chatting with one so called "elevated" contributor there as to what he thought of Turkiye naming a road after Sheikh Mujib Rahman, that too after this "vast help" given by TR to Pakistan in its largest existential challenge and the drastic manner of its conclusion.

In the reply he gave, was really early indication already why the hyper-islamist prefers certain things and why...and eventually out came an utter contempt for Ataturk and Turkish nationalist ethos as well (since these things made Turkiye think things in its own independent way, rather than what people like him demanded it think). There is reason ultimately why Pakistan heads down the direction it is heading down right now....the fire that Ataturk lit in Turkiye simply never had a chance to start in Pakistan's psyche.

Past that, it makes quite a lot of sense to me now, why I persist in this forum, versus the "biraaders" who prefer to persist there in their various states of depraved mental squalor (and all the fellow travellers addicted to this, incl many Indians, Bangladeshis, Iranians, Westerners, Chinese etc etc unfortunately) when options fully given regarding basic order vs chaos for trying to actually get somewhere good in discussions and understanding.

You are only thinking purely of international politics in peacetime.

First of all, let me remind you of the importance of strategic depth and reliability in the points you missed.

It is not possible for Turkey to target deep ties in the defense industry with both countries. Because if you deepen ties with one side, this will be seen as insincerity in the other country. This reduces you to average country status for the other side.

None of the countries that are our so-called allies in NATO are really sincere about fighting with us against Russia. This was tested and seen when we shot down the Russian plane in 2015.
However, unlike them, Pakistan has a sincerity in fighting shoulder to shoulder with us. And you cannot defend the Pakistan-India balance policy when nuclear weapons are on the table.
If Pakistan is going to put the nuclear option on the table, it will want to see our clear stance on Kashmir.

Even if Turkey's hand is not guaranteed in this regard, it is obvious that we are in a much better situation than the strategic advantages that India can provide against us.

Moreover, the deepening of Türkiye-India relations would lead us into a dangerous impasse. Because the USA will ask India to embargo us if we go to war with Greece. The USA can't impose the same on Pakistan, can it?

That's why I prefer not to believe that India will come to help Turkey in difficult times.

Military balances also have a weight in peacetime. Turkey has long-term and large-scale plans with Central Asian countries. It is possible that Pakistan will also be included in the equation during Turkey's efforts to establish unity with the countries in the region. We can expect Pakistan to be a military deterrent against Russia. However, while India has deep ties with Russia, it is impossible to think that it will support the Central Asian countries, let alone go to war for them.

Therefore, the ties we can establish with India are doomed to reach a dead end. And the Pakistan-India balance policy may result in us losing the bulgur we have.

 

[Saithan]

https://x.com/sabahatinismail/status/1723075962806370802?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

Remind me again when and how did we lose Cyprus. Allowing enemies to rent land and prevent further development is not in our interest.

Turks who got development rights to land should fulfill that obligation or lose it. Then give it to someone else. Force this israeli to develop it or sell it. Force him enough and he’ll have to sell with loss

 

[Bogeyman]

You are only thinking purely of international politics in peacetime.

First of all, let me remind you of the importance of strategic depth and reliability in the points you missed.

It is not possible for Turkey to target deep ties in the defense industry with both countries. Because if you deepen ties with one side, this will be seen as insincerity in the other country. This reduces you to average country status for the other side.

None of the countries that are our so-called allies in NATO are really sincere about fighting with us against Russia. This was tested and seen when we shot down the Russian plane in 2015.
However, unlike them, Pakistan has a sincerity in fighting shoulder to shoulder with us. And you cannot defend the Pakistan-India balance policy when nuclear weapons are on the table.
If Pakistan is going to put the nuclear option on the table, it will want to see our clear stance on Kashmir.

Even if Turkey's hand is not guaranteed in this regard, it is obvious that we are in a much better situation than the strategic advantages that India can provide against us.

Moreover, the deepening of Türkiye-India relations would lead us into a dangerous impasse. Because the USA will ask India to embargo us if we go to war with Greece. The USA can't impose the same on Pakistan, can it?

That's why I prefer not to believe that India will come to help Turkey in difficult times.

Military balances also have a weight in peacetime. Turkey has long-term and large-scale plans with Central Asian countries. It is possible that Pakistan will also be included in the equation during Turkey's efforts to establish unity with the countries in the region. We can expect Pakistan to be a military deterrent against Russia. However, while India has deep ties with Russia, it is impossible to think that it will support the Central Asian countries, let alone go to war for them.

Therefore, the ties we can establish with India are doomed to reach a dead end. And the Pakistan-India balance policy may result in us losing the bulgur we have.

I would not trade my relationship with my strategic partners in international relations for a relationship of average depth. Our nation complains about the absence of a reliable strategic partner when these issues begin to be discussed.

If you want a strategic partnership then you need to prove that you are trustworthy. If you cannot establish reliable partnerships, then when EU countries embargo you, you cannot turn around and demand an embargo from Central Asian countries for uranium sent to EU countries.

 

[GoatsMilk]

the hyper-islamist prefers certain things and why...and eventually out came an utter contempt for Ataturk and Turkish nationalist ethos as well (since these things made

In general all forms of hyper islamism today have been cultivated and promoted by the anglo-american world. It keeps the muslim brain dead, it controls how he thinks and thus by extension constantly act in a way that is counter productive to his interests.

The problem we have is that we are in the generations who have been brainwashed in these ideas from birth, there is nothing that can be done to bring them out of it. In many ways i think Islamic civilisation has been condemned to dive head first off a cliff. You get an Ataturk today, before he has a chance to raise his voice the Islamist will murder him.

I honestly think that if Turkiye completely falls to this western financed islamism, its over for Islamic civilisation in the mid to long term. Keep in mind that FETO and AK party were meant to turn Turkiye into another Iran. The ambition would have been that the leader of FETO would have been the returning Ayatollah to Turkiye. In Irans case their pre baked leader was shipped in from France, in Turkiyes case it would have been from America.

Turks must remember that the British empire were the first ones to understand the value in hyper islamism being used to destroy the empire from with in. It never stopped, today the anglo-american world is the biggest instigator of extremist islamism globally. All you have to do is pay attention to the results of Islamism and you see its nearly all leads to failure.

On a side note the biggest media entities in Turkiye like "daily zaman" used to constantly write articles about how great the feto leader was and how his wisdom and guidance was important for Turkiye. Meanwhile every other article was promoting the balkanisation of Turkiye and constantly insulting Turkish history and culture.

Many racists within Turkiye realised that clinging to islamism allowed them to attack Turks and get away with it. We are a country where the Turk experiences the most racism. We even had mentally sick islamist given TV shows to tell Turks how bad Ataturk was and it would have been better for Islam had the christians destroyed the Turkish armies of Ataturk.

 

[Sanchez]

Wasted a whole decade and back to starting point.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723365054064578875

 

[Ryder]

Wasted a whole decade and back to starting point.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723365054064578875

Hey at least we get to see Erdogan cry on national televsion lol

 

[Bozan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723319679656075268

Lol, Israel did not sign the non-proliferation treaty, but Turkey has. Bringing attention on nukes means that attention will soon come to you

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

So what if the USA blacklisted us? The USA itself provides open support to YPG, which forcibly recruits children. Nobody says a word to the USA. International relations are shaped around power. If you want to defend your own interests, then you will not accept such fake impositions on you. The genocides committed by the USA in Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq have clearly revealed how dirty they are. In this case, it is unthinkable that such a country would accuse Turkey with such allegations.

I'm telling the general public
If you turn Turkey's national values into a matter of domestic politics and open them up for discussion, you will become a partner in their plans, even if unknowingly. The essence of foreign policy is pure power politics. The power of discourses or claims is not measured by your legitimacy. It is measured by your national power elements.

They will only listen and take into consideration if you are strong. Then even if you are cruel, you will be declared right. But if you are weak, no one will listen to your righteous cause.

They support ypg and we support jihadists terrorist same shit diffrent breed. FSA is made out of diffrent jihadist groups who plunder and kill in the name of allah.
They are not even good at fighting our tax money is going to these narco terrorists.

One who is living in glass house shouldn't throw rocks at others.

 

[Bogeyman]

They support ypg and we support jihadists terrorist same shit diffrent breed. FSA is made out of diffrent jihadist groups who plunder and kill in the name of allah.
They are not even good at fighting our tax money is going to these narco terrorists.

One who is living in glass house shouldn't throw rocks at others.

The US military used uranium-impregnated bullets in all the countries it occupied. That's why babies are born deformed in Fallujah, Iraq. (@FDefects has enough visuals on the relevant X account) With the genocides committed by the US army and torture in places such as Abu Ghraib prisons, they cannot even come close to the Turkish army. I'm not talking about groups supported in proxy wars here. I'm talking directly about the millions of people who were murdered here. They did the same thing in Vietnam.
They used orange gas as a chemical weapon there too.

The United States is the country that dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, which withdrew from the war in World War II, just to intimidate Soviet Russia, even though it was about to surrender. They did this arbitrarily. They had no military gain.

Yes, Americans living in glass houses should not talk to us about human rights. Because the last country in this world that can talk about human rights is the USA.

 

[Bozan]

They support ypg and we support jihadists terrorist same shit diffrent breed. FSA is made out of diffrent jihadist groups who plunder and kill in the name of allah.
They are not even good at fighting our tax money is going to these narco terrorists.

One who is living in glass house shouldn't throw rocks at others.

America is smart enough to NOT fund extremists on the border that will cause trouble and turn on you, when you stop funding them

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

America is smart enough to NOT fund extremists on the border that will cause trouble and turn on you, when you stop funding them

We had that problem with FSA yeah some of the groups turned against the orders even against us very dangerous situation