You can go and fight there then Palestine isn't our problem and turkish army isn't your toy zafer.
they wont do that, no chance.
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You can go and fight there then Palestine isn't our problem and turkish army isn't your toy zafer.
I hope to see more cooperation between India and Turkiye, We shouldn't dictate our foreign relations because what pakistan thinks or does.
You know what is never a conversation? One of the crucial factors which can help us achieve this difficult goal is a group of elite analysts in both Academia and state apparatus, esp. in the diplomatic bureaucratic structure, who know Hindi, Bengali, Tamil, know Indian culture, have a good understanding of Hinduism, are intimately familiar with India's history, esp. it's contemporary political history and environment, etc. And you send these people to engage with India. They have their own little think tank or institute, publish their studies and come up with long-term plans of engagement. One cannot even start to imagine the differences this would make when you have a fluent Hindi speaker familiar with inside jokes, culture, etc. talking with Indian officials and compare this to the interactions that a conversation through patchy translation will be like with no understanding of the opposing sides' biases, worldview, etc. in a manner conducive to a milieu of misunderstandings. This arrangement should exist for all major countries on earth and all neighbors. It would employ at most like 1000 people and would be a very small burden on the budget. But what we have instead is SETA and Menzil tarikatı getting billions of dollars worth of government contracts.Ideally you'd be friends with both and use that friendship to build bridges between both of those nations and mend any enmity between them. Easier said than done but it shouldn't have to be an either/or situation when it comes to foreign policy regarding 2 important nations who share a border.
You know what is never a conversation? One of the crucial factors which can help us achieve this difficult goal is a group of elite analysts in both Academia and state apparatus, esp. in the diplomatic bureaucratic structure, who know Hindi, Bengali, Tamil, know Indian culture, have a good understanding of Hinduism, are intimately familiar with India's history, esp. it's contemporary political history and environment, etc. And you send these people to engage with India. They have their own little think tank or institute, publish their studies and come up with long-term plans of engagement. One cannot even start to imagine the differences this would make when you have a fluent Hindi speaker familiar with inside jokes, culture, etc. talking with Indian officials and compare this to the interactions that a conversation through patchy translation will be like with no understanding of the opposing sides' biases, worldview, etc. in a manner conducive to a milieu of misunderstandings. This arrangement should exist for all major countries on earth and all neighbors. It would employ at most like 1000 people and would be a very small burden on the budget. But what we have instead is SETA and Menzil tarikatı getting billions of dollars worth of government contracts.
A very good proposal! We all see the result of the "0 problem" foreign policy from the past. While the Turkish foreign politics have its highs it also haves many low points. When we talk about official initiatives I think the closest that Turkiye did abroad to what you said was the diplomatic expansion in Africa and the wider introduction to African culture trough foreign African students studying in Turkiye.You know what is never a conversation? One of the crucial factors which can help us achieve this difficult goal is a group of elite analysts in both Academia and state apparatus, esp. in the diplomatic bureaucratic structure, who know Hindi, Bengali, Tamil, know Indian culture, have a good understanding of Hinduism, are intimately familiar with India's history, esp. it's contemporary political history and environment, etc. And you send these people to engage with India. They have their own little think tank or institute, publish their studies and come up with long-term plans of engagement. One cannot even start to imagine the differences this would make when you have a fluent Hindi speaker familiar with inside jokes, culture, etc. talking with Indian officials and compare this to the interactions that a conversation through patchy translation will be like with no understanding of the opposing sides' biases, worldview, etc. in a manner conducive to a milieu of misunderstandings. This arrangement should exist for all major countries on earth and all neighbors. It would employ at most like 1000 people and would be a very small burden on the budget. But what we have instead is SETA and Menzil tarikatı getting billions of dollars worth of government contracts.
You know what is never a conversation? One of the crucial factors which can help us achieve this difficult goal is a group of elite analysts in both Academia and state apparatus, esp. in the diplomatic bureaucratic structure, who know Hindi, Bengali, Tamil, know Indian culture, have a good understanding of Hinduism, are intimately familiar with India's history, esp. it's contemporary political history and environment, etc. And you send these people to engage with India. They have their own little think tank or institute, publish their studies and come up with long-term plans of engagement. One cannot even start to imagine the differences this would make when you have a fluent Hindi speaker familiar with inside jokes, culture, etc. talking with Indian officials and compare this to the interactions that a conversation through patchy translation will be like with no understanding of the opposing sides' biases, worldview, etc. in a manner conducive to a milieu of misunderstandings. This arrangement should exist for all major countries on earth and all neighbors. It would employ at most like 1000 people and would be a very small burden on the budget. But what we have instead is SETA and Menzil tarikatı getting billions of dollars worth of government contracts.
Turkmen officials I spoke to in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq say that there are between 300,000 and 400,000 Turkmens living in Erbil alone. According to some, this figure is close to 100 thousand.
However, in the 2018 elections in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq, even the total vote rate of the 5 quotas reserved for Turkmens is less than 9 thousand. (Photo)
Turkmens, who were elected as ministers and parliament secretaries with a few thousand votes, may not be able to win even a single seat with their performances if they enter the elections outside the quota.
Moreover, considering that the KDP intervened in the Turkmen quotas and made the candidate in Erbil vote for the candidate from Duhok or the Peshmerga in order to get the candidate close to it elected, less than 9 thousand votes that went to these Turkmen quotas are not even Turkmen.
that's pure imperialisms. now that the din qardaşlar turns out to be too much traitor to be redeem, you turn to imperialisms to save them ?? and no we dont want that you want that , like i said before buy a ticket to Egypt smuggle yourself to gaza why you are still here go rule your backyard from there not from turkey
I'm starting to think that Hamas's attack on Israel was an Iranian plot to break the Israeli-Turkic shadow alliance.
Let's face it, Hamas would've known that this would be suicide. I'm sure that whoever ordered the October 7 attacks was far and away from Gaza and the West Bank.
I'm sure that the Palestinians knew damn well that the Israeli response would be horrid.
If you remember a month ago, just before the violence started, everyone was talking about Israeli support of Azerbaijan and the possibility of the creation of a Turkic corridor. Iran was going crazy, not only threatening Azerbaijan, but also Israel. Straight after the fighting began, the IRGC made a direct threat to Azerbaijan saying something along the lines of "your Zionist dogs can no longer protect you".
The USA doesn't mind this at all, as they see Iran as a counterbalance to the Türkiye and the main blockage for a united Turkic world. In fact I'd wager that the US knew an attack was imminent, and allowed it to happen in order to break the ties between TR and IL.
Remember that Iran and the USA probably fear a united Turkic world more than Russia or China do. Why? Russia has already given up on that front, its main focus is on confronting the west. It will give away its power to the Turkic world knowingly, it's a necessary sacrifice for them. Meanwhile, China is separated from the bulk of the Turkic World by a massive mountain range. It also has no interest in being the world police.
Iran knows that a united Turkic world means a divided Iran. Meanwhile, the USA sees a united Turkic World as a direct competitor to US hegemony. Not only would it be a military powerhouse which would fight with unrivaled ferocity, but it would also have massive influence in Eastern Europe. Furthermore, it would lead a new civilization which could outpace the current western/US one in all fields. The thing which scares them the most about this is that we are essentially talking about a new Turkic-led Eurasian bloc which could not only have influence throughout Asia and the Middle East, but also Europe.
I'm starting to think that Hamas's attack on Israel was an Iranian plot to break the Israeli-Turkic shadow alliance.
Let's face it, Hamas would've known that this would be suicide. I'm sure that whoever ordered the October 7 attacks was far and away from Gaza and the West Bank.
I'm sure that the Palestinians knew damn well that the Israeli response would be horrid.
If you remember a month ago, just before the violence started, everyone was talking about Israeli support of Azerbaijan and the possibility of the creation of a Turkic corridor. Iran was going crazy, not only threatening Azerbaijan, but also Israel. Straight after the fighting began, the IRGC made a direct threat to Azerbaijan saying something along the lines of "your Zionist dogs can no longer protect you".
Meanwhile, Iran has a lot of Kurdish Islamist supporters in Türkiye which it is using to create tension and hatred.
The USA doesn't mind this at all, as they see Iran as a counterbalance to the Türkiye and the main blockage for a united Turkic world. In fact I'd wager that the US knew an attack was imminent, and allowed it to happen in order to break the ties between TR and IL.
Remember that Iran and the USA probably fear a united Turkic world more than Russia or China do. Why? Russia has already given up on that front, its main focus is on confronting the west. It will give away its power to the Turkic world knowingly, it's a necessary sacrifice for them. Meanwhile, China is separated from the bulk of the Turkic World by a massive mountain range. It also has no interest in being the world police.
Iran knows that a united Turkic world means a divided Iran. Meanwhile, the USA sees a united Turkic World as a direct competitor to US hegemony. Not only would it be a military powerhouse which would fight with unrivaled ferocity, but it would also have massive influence in Eastern Europe. Furthermore, it would lead a new civilization which could outpace the current western/US one in all fields. The thing which scares them the most about this is that we are essentially talking about a new Turkic-led Eurasian bloc which could not only have influence throughout Asia and the Middle East, but also Europe.
Isnt this the way its done by all major countries?You know what is never a conversation? One of the crucial factors which can help us achieve this difficult goal is a group of elite analysts in both Academia and state apparatus, esp. in the diplomatic bureaucratic structure, who know Hindi, Bengali, Tamil, know Indian culture, have a good understanding of Hinduism, are intimately familiar with India's history, esp. it's contemporary political history and environment, etc. And you send these people to engage with India. They have their own little think tank or institute, publish their studies and come up with long-term plans of engagement. One cannot even start to imagine the differences this would make when you have a fluent Hindi speaker familiar with inside jokes, culture, etc. talking with Indian officials and compare this to the interactions that a conversation through patchy translation will be like with no understanding of the opposing sides' biases, worldview, etc. in a manner conducive to a milieu of misunderstandings. This arrangement should exist for all major countries on earth and all neighbors. It would employ at most like 1000 people and would be a very small burden on the budget.
What I have in mind is quite different. Firat Sunel is not a product of an institutionalized tradition (that is he has gained that knowledge and expertise through his own enterprise). The problem with unicorns like that is that there's no process through which you're training new Firat Sunels or extracting their experience and learnings, i.e. it is not a sustainable process of guaranteed outcomes. You cannot leave this to chance that there might be people who are studying, e.g., Sinhalese intensively alongside their own study field in university and also are nerds for Sri Lankan literature and culture. You have Firat Sunel in India, but I know for a fact that even in Arabic speaking countries (I say even, because we have a lot of Imam Hatips which naturally should produce students with high arabic proficiency in the bulk [I know they don't, but at least we have bulk Arabic training, can't say the same about most other countries, hence the Arabic example]) we have represenatatives with a very rudimentary mastery of arabic, let alone the kind of charisma and charm that is the result of deep knowledge of a country.Isnt this the way its done by all major countries?
Why should our country be different?
As @Nilgiri pointed out quote:
''Actually the current ambassador (Firat Sunel) is quite illustrative of this as he has studied India quite a lot (from the exchanges he has regularly with Indian history authors, cultural groups, prominent journalists/commentators, business leaders and so on). So that is very close to 10/10 selection done here by Erdogan admin under the circumstances.''
I dont understand what the problem is?
What I have in mind is quite different. Firat Sunel is not a product of an institutionalized tradition (that is he has gained that knowledge and expertise through his own enterprise). The problem with unicorns like that is that there's no process through which you're training new Firat Sunels or extracting their experience and learnings, i.e. it is not a sustainable process of guaranteed outcomes. You cannot leave this to chance that there might be people who are studying, e.g., Sinhalese intensively alongside their own study field in university and also are nerds for Sri Lankan literature and culture. You have Firat Sunel in India, but I know for a fact that even in Arabic speaking countries (I say even, because we have a lot of Imam Hatips which naturally should produce students with high arabic proficiency in the bulk [I know they don't, but at least we have bulk Arabic training, can't say the same about most other countries, hence the Arabic example]) we have represenatatives with a very rudimentary mastery of arabic, let alone the kind of charisma and charm that is the result of deep knowledge of a country.
How this can be made into a sustianbale process is through a think tank/academy which you may call "[Example Country] Studies Institute" where you employ several tutors of the major languages of the country (preferrably native speakers of that language), experts of culture and religion of that country, and also historians specializing in the history of that country. Then you have these specialists do both research but also teaching. You accept a few students every decade (I think 10 students per decade is more than enough; some of these students might not apply themselves and get horrible grades so you might want to have reserves; the way you attract both these students and also make sure some of the reserves might turn back and choose the institute instead of the path they've chosen after you rejected them, is a job guarantee in the instutitue or the diplomatic beaurocractic apparatus provided that they get a minimum level of grades). You first teach them the langauge for several years, along with light courses on history, culture and geography. I think this would be a six year program. Then you arrange exchange programs also for these students in the country of concern, etc. In a sense you prepare the top students of your institute as the next generation of the instructor/researchers in your academy/think tank, employing the rest in other capacities. This then forms a tradition and a cycle that is guaranteed to produce results, and the experience gleaned is not wasted away like in the personal example of Firat Sunel where there's no mechanism through which he's conveying his experience except for the fitful and informal mechanism of walking through the halls of ministry of foreign affairs (compared with the counter-example of products of institute writing reports, analysis, or having a teaching job in the institute after retirement, even in the garbs of high diplomat or ambassador).
P.S. This might seem like quite a utopic vision, but it's not; it's quite practical. The only problem is finding instructors for all those culture/religions and languages and the historians. Obviously you will not be able to find Turks for all of these. You hire from that country. So the new problem will be that the language of instruction for the first three/four years has to be English.
Funnily enough an institute very similar to what I propose exists already for China Studies (http://www.confucius.boun.edu.tr/?page_id=2&lang=en) but it's a one-of-a-kind joint enterprise of Boğaziçi University and Shanghai University, without any institutional relations with the foreign affairs ministry (which is only to be expected as the program is a part of international "Confucius Institutes" initiative of Hanban (the Office of Chinese Language Council International), ergo the Chinese government. I have a friend who attended Mandarin classes there, and her assessment of the whole project was negative as the setting and prospects were described as quite ill-considered overall; which is understandable for a project with limited goals and backing. The most prominent Turkish member is Ayşe Selçuk Esenbel, who is a professor of Japanese and far east history. She is not used in any capacity in foreign affairs apparatus.Out of interest, has Turkiye made progress on doing this with China? It is very imperative one to do for any country in world wanting sound geopolitical investment in the future.
However the politics ultimately shapes out in large countries like China and India, there needs to be a bedrock approach developed by Turkiye (and any country actually) on all the things upstream to politics to greatly increase the maximum chance of positive consistent benefit.
It is an art for any society to not be too "fatalist" (while not being too idealistic at same time), i.e striking the balance...they must seize the best of their strength and wisdom and deploy it in best way as possible.