TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Ryder]

While Germany has ceased its objections to the sale of Eurofighter Typhoon jets to Saudi Arabia, NATO-member Türkiye remains blocked by Germany from purchasing Eurofighter Typhoons & by the United States from buying F-16Vs. The rationale behind permitting the sale to Saudi Arabia, according to German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, is that ''Saudi Arabia contributes to Israel's security by intercepting missiles fired at the country by Yemen’s Houthi rebels.''

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744302149008335002

These motherfckers have turned our Kaan plane into the next independance war.

Turkiye will not be independant until it fully builds everything itself.

This is the next independance war.

I just want Turkiye to build its own stuff I dont care if the Kaan is not on par with the F35 or the F22. As long as it works and does its job Im more than happy than seeing Turkiye beg for jets.

These motherfckers will constantly be moving the goalposts.

Not to mention they tied the Eurofighter to Israel's security shows once again what a bunch of motherfckers they are.

 

[Kartal1]

These motherfckers have turned our Kaan plane into the next independance war.

Turkiye will not be independant until it fully builds everything itself.

This is the next independance war.

I just want Turkiye to build its own stuff I dont care if the Kaan is not on par with the F35 or the F22. As long as it works and does its job Im more than happy than seeing Turkiye beg for jets.

These motherfckers will constantly be moving the goalposts.

Not to mention they tied the Eurofighter to Israel's security shows once again what a bunch of motherfckers they are.

With Eurofighter or not, Turkiye must be able to manufacture every critical technology in the defence industry that the armed forces need.

If Turkiye is up to the ambitions it has about being an undisputed regional power, a leader in the Turkic and Islamic world there is no other way than to gain independence.

With the widening of our areas of interests we must be able to enforce our position on our adversaries wherever they are. We must be respected and feared enough so we can negotiate and enforce our position on different issues regardless who is sitting in front of us.

One of the main reasons why "the great powers" were able to play with us all these years is because we were and still are dependent on many of their services. We must push for independence on all fronts like defence industry, energy, economy etc.

 

[Ryder]

With Eurofighter or not, Turkiye must be able to manufacture every critical technology in the defence industry that the armed forces need.

If Turkiye is up to the ambitions it has about being an undisputed regional power, a leader in the Turkic and Islamic world there is no other way than to gain independence.

With the widening of our areas of interests we must be able to enforce our position on our adversaries wherever they are. We must be respected and feared enough so we can negotiate and enforce our position on different issues regardless who is sitting in front of us.

One of the main reasons why "the great powers" were able to play with us all these years is because we were and still are dependent on many of their services. We must push for independence on all fronts like defence industry, energy, economy etc.

Regardless of what politics or ideology the people in Turkiye can hold.

They cant disagree with Ataturk's stance when he said Tam Bagimsiz Bir Turkiye.

Which means Turkiye needs to be fully independant and in control of its own destiny even if it comes at a cost.

 

[Bozan]

While Germany has ceased its objections to the sale of Eurofighter Typhoon jets to Saudi Arabia, NATO-member Türkiye remains blocked by Germany from purchasing Eurofighter Typhoons & by the United States from buying F-16Vs. The rationale behind permitting the sale to Saudi Arabia, according to German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, is that ''Saudi Arabia contributes to Israel's security by intercepting missiles fired at the country by Yemen’s Houthi rebels.''

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744302149008335002

TR spent a lot of time demonizing Baerbock, I'd be unsurprised if it's literally just because she's pissed at Erdogan. If you need these people, you shouldn't demonise them for domestic politics points. This is what happens.


Also, we are currently still supporting the Muslim brotherhood which is banned by Saudi, Egypt etc as a terrorist organisation:

Home - الاتحاد العالمي للعلماء المسلمين

It is an independent global Islamic organization, established in 2004 in Dublin, Ireland, bringing together a distinguished group of scholars from across the

iumsonline.org

Funnily enough, the new leader elected is a Kurd from Talabani's city in KRG and is pro-Independence of Kurdistan.

Erdogan met with him and others at a special conference in August recently:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230809-erdogan-meets-with-delegation-of-muslim-scholars/

 

[Kartal1]

TR spent a lot of time demonizing Baerbock, I'd be unsurprised if it's literally just because she's pissed at Erdogan. If you need these people, you shouldn't demonise them for domestic politics points. This is what happens.


Also, we are currently still supporting the Muslim brotherhood which is banned by Saudi, Egypt etc as a terrorist organisation:

Home - الاتحاد العالمي للعلماء المسلمين

It is an independent global Islamic organization, established in 2004 in Dublin, Ireland, bringing together a distinguished group of scholars from across the

iumsonline.org

Funnily enough, the new leader elected is a Kurd from Talabani's city in KRG and is pro-Independence of Kurdistan.

Erdogan met with him and others at a special conference in August recently:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230809-erdogan-meets-with-delegation-of-muslim-scholars/

I don't want to be a bad prophet, but looking at the ideology that is being promoted, the talks in the past, the "Turkiyeli" propaganda that is being pushed and the current political structure, the conjecture shows that Turkiye will turn into a federative or confederative republic which will include TRNC, the north of Iraq and the north of Syria at a later stage... I am sure this will be their solution to the Kurdish problem and the ongoing crisis in the Turkish controlled areas of Syria.

Thinking of the fact that Syria is basically destroyed and the chance of political solution between Assad and the Opposition is close to 0, Iraq is being an Iranian proxy, the possible consequences of a regional war and the favorable situation of KRG areas in Iraq compared to the rest of Iraq, being tied to Turkiye is the only way to survive taking in account that Turkiye will not allow an independent Kurdish State. I hope I am wrong, but I think they are preparing Turkiye for a constitutional transformation with their Ihwan propaganda and multi-cultural way of life with the refugee (open border) policy. They will convince the secular Turks with TRNC, they will convince the Kurds with a federative/confenderative system which will grant them freedom under Turkish protection (Syria and Iraq will be totally annihilated States by then), Kurdish becoming a second national language under HUDAPAR leadership, and the Islamists with the Misak i Milli maps and Ottoman Empire wet dreams.

Again, I hope I am very wrong with my assumptions.

 

[Khagan1923]

I don't want to be a bad prophet, but looking at the ideology that is being promoted, the talks in the past, the "Turkiyeli" propaganda that is being pushed and the current political structure, the conjecture shows that Turkiye will turn into a federative or confederative republic which will include TRNC, the north of Iraq and the north of Syria at a later stage... I am sure this will be their solution to the Kurdish problem and the ongoing crisis in the Turkish controlled areas of Syria.

Thinking of the fact that Syria is basically destroyed and the chance of political solution between Assad and the Opposition is close to 0, Iraq is being an Iranian proxy, the possible consequences of a regional war and the favorable situation of KRG areas in Iraq compared to the rest of Iraq, being tied to Turkiye is the only way to survive taking in account that Turkiye will not allow an independent Kurdish State. I hope I am wrong, but I think they are preparing Turkiye for a constitutional transformation with their Ihwan propaganda and multi-cultural way of life with the refugee (open border) policy. They will convince the secular Turks with TRNC, they will convince the Kurds with a federative/confenderative system which will grant them freedom under Turkish protection (Syria and Iraq will be totally annihilated States by then), Kurdish becoming a second national language under HUDAPAR leadership, and the Islamists with the Misak i Milli maps and Ottoman Empire wet dreams.

Again, I hope I am very wrong with my assumptions.

I respectfully disagree with your assumptions. I think in the next couple of years we will see a huge boom of actual nationalist parties gaining votershare in a rapid manner. What I am seeing is a more and more nationalist population who is fed up with illegals walking with their hands in their pockets into their country, who is fed up of having to read everday news of some syrian, afghan, pakistani having attacked someone, killed someone, raped someone. A population where Anti-Arab sentiment is getting more and more popular, see last Süper Kupa.

Those with those plans can try it, it won't succeed. Majority of the people in this country right now have nothing to lose, they sure won't let the one thing they have left (Türkiye) taken away from them.

It is not only the CHP that is dying, the AKP is too. As much as their supporters like to act as if the election was a victory, it wasn't. They didn't win on merit, or ideas, or politics or results or ideology. They won because the country had to make a decision between one bad thing over another. You think Erdogan wins if Yavas or Imamoglu is the candidate?

Not even a chance. Kilicdaroglu did his duty.

Just look at their candidate for the Istanbul election. If that is the best they can come up with they should close shop and leave. Their ranks are drained.
The best thing that will happen to this country is when both CHP and AKP have vanished into the void never to return.

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What is up with some of our "experts" fearmongering the last few days on twitter about Greece attacking us and we losing? Do I really have to write an essay here how that is just clown behaviour to even write things like that?

 

[Bozan]

I respectfully disagree with your assumptions. I think in the next couple of years we will see a huge boom of actual nationalist parties gaining votershare in a rapid manner. What I am seeing is a more and more nationalist population who is fed up with illegals walking with their hands in their pockets into their country, who is fed up of having to read everday news of some syrian, afghan, pakistani having attacked someone, killed someone, raped someone. A population where Anti-Arab sentiment is getting more and more popular, see last Süper Kupa.

Those with those plans can try it, it won't succeed. Majority of the people in this country right now have nothing to lose, they sure won't let the one thing they have left (Türkiye) taken away from them.

It is not only the CHP that is dying, the AKP is too. As much as their supporters like to act as if the election was a victory, it wasn't. They didn't win on merit, or ideas, or politics or results or ideology. They won because the country had to make a decision between one bad thing over another. You think Erdogan wins if Yavas or Imamoglu is the candidate?

Not even a chance. Kilicdaroglu did his duty.

Just look at their candidate for the Istanbul election. If that is the best they can come up with they should close shop and leave. Their ranks are drained.
The best thing that will happen to this country is when both CHP and AKP have vanished into the void never to return.

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What is up with some of our "experts" fearmongering the last few days on twitter about Greece attacking us and we losing? Do I really have to write an essay here how that is just clown behaviour to even write things like that?

Social media is not a good barometer for this. If you look at the streets and the protests, it's all Erdogan's people. Ozdag's only hope was Sinan who sold him out to join AKP which now brutalizes Ozdag on all media. They don't even have to arrest him for hate speech or anything, just his followers. Ozdag will talk himself into a lonely hole. Ozdag is not a respectable face of any nationalist movement.

 

[Asena_great]

Ozdag is not a respectable face of any nationalist movement.

LOL

 

[Asena_great]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741176538693779604

"YOU ARE NOT ATATURKS SOLDIERS, YOU ARE ATATURKS DOGS"

- Erdogan

Moderator Edit (full translation of the post):

BREAKING NEWS | President Erdogan: “Just until yesterday, I beg your pardon, they said 'You are Atatürk's dogs, not his soldiers.' "The words of those who walk hand in hand and arm in arm with those who said this have no value in our eyes today."

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Guys let's show sensitivity regarding such topics and offer full translations in which the context can be easily understood. Thank you!

why are you putting half translation instead of full translation ???

your post above to half translate Erdogan's word in very provocative manner took my attention i ask you then why did you half translate Erdogan but you didn't answer you did this exactly when the atmosphere in turkey was tense mode edited your post and put the full translation and btw im still waiting for your answer

but post above wasn't the post that put you on my Radar i remember you compere handak operation with Israel genocide of Palestinians as if they are the same , as if Turkish soldiers are as bad as Israelis

Social media is not a good barometer for this. If you look at the streets and the protests, it's all Erdogan's people. Ozdag's only hope was Sinan who sold him out to join AKP which now brutalizes Ozdag on all media. They don't even have to arrest him for hate speech or anything, just his followers. Ozdag will talk himself into a lonely hole. Ozdag is not a respectable face of any nationalist movement.

and now this. when it comes to nationalist you always were passive aggressive not to mentioned you were laughing when nationalist journalist who reported the illegal aliens crimes were arrested

 

[Baryshx]

While Germany has ceased its objections to the sale of Eurofighter Typhoon jets to Saudi Arabia, NATO-member Türkiye remains blocked by Germany from purchasing Eurofighter Typhoons & by the United States from buying F-16Vs. The rationale behind permitting the sale to Saudi Arabia, according to German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, is that ''Saudi Arabia contributes to Israel's security by intercepting missiles fired at the country by Yemen’s Houthi rebels.''

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744302149008335002

Some of the critical anti-Turkish intelligence officers and politicians in Germany need to be bought or eliminated.

Turks in Germany can be used to stir up Germany.

I am just doing brain gymnastics, I have no bad intentions. Anyway, I am sorry to write this, but in my opinion, the intelligence service (Mit) in Turkiye do not have that kind of power.

 

[Bozan]

your post above to half translate Erdogan's word in very provocative manner took my attention i ask you then why did you half translate Erdogan but you didn't answer you did this exactly when the atmosphere in turkey was tense mode edited your post and put the full translation and btw im still waiting for your answer

but post above wasn't the post that put you on my Radar i remember you compere handak operation with Israel genocide of Palestinians as if they are the same , as if Turkish soldiers are as bad as Israelis


and now this. when it comes to nationalist you always were passive aggressive not to mentioned you were laughing when nationalist journalist who reported the illegal aliens crimes were arrested

I don't think even the full comment is really necessary, Erdogan is making this comment directly at CHP and the opposition who made noise about the saudi arabia football fiasco to insult them. "I didn't say it, they said it" kind of way.

"Gazi Mustafa Kemal, bu ülkenin banisidir. Daha düne kadar, affınıza sığınarak söylüyorum 'Siz Atatürk'ün askeri değil, itlerisiniz.' diyenlerle el ele, kol kola yürüyenlerin bugün söylediklerinin bizim nazarımızda hiçbir kıymetiharbiyesi yoktur."

If CHP is walking hand in hand, what is HUDA-PAR and the photos of Erdogan and Perwer. Free speech must be nice to have. If the opposition said such a thing, it would be jail.

Hendek operation was very slow and limited but we saw the amount of destroyed buildings. I was sure this Gaza operation would be the same but much larger scale and I was right. Gaza was completely flattened.

I am not aggressive to real patriots but I dislike Ozdag and during the elections I was right about Sinan Ogan. These men sell ethnic nationalism for the sake of money and power. After everything Ozdag and Sinan said, Sinan is making money with the AKP and isn't even active anymore. Lol.

Ozdag = Perincek, he is simply a tool of the AKP

 

[Sanchez]

what the fuck

"Bulgaria, Romania and Turkey have also invited other NATO countries to join the initiative to clear the Black Sea and secure sea routes.

Now, however, the agreement has undergone a very important change.

Turkey had opposed the involvement of NATO countries outside the region in operations in the Black Sea.

Admiral Ercument Tatlıoglu, commander of the Turkish Navy, has spoken out against the presence of naval forces of other NATO allies, including the US, in the Black Sea.

Now, Turkey has abandoned this position.

Two other countries, which have not been named, plan to create a joint fleet to clear mines in parts of the Black Sea, alongside Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria.

The second country is Norway.

Turkey negotiated its position on allowing US and British ships to pass "waiting for positive and solid steps by the US to acquire and modernize F-16 warplanes", a Turkish goal long delayed by the Americans."

Turcia a cedat în războiul Mării Negre. Navele SUA și Marii Britanii pot trece. România, de acord • Newsweek România

Turcia a cedat în războiul Mării Negre. Navele SUA și Marii Britanii pot trece pentru operațiuni. Acordul va fi semnat în această săptămână la Istanbul cu România și Bulgaria, fiind invitate și alte țări NATO.

newsweek.ro

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Özdag is a massive tool.

 

[GoatsMilk]

what the fuck

"Bulgaria, Romania and Turkey have also invited other NATO countries to join the initiative to clear the Black Sea and secure sea routes.

Now, however, the agreement has undergone a very important change.

Turkey had opposed the involvement of NATO countries outside the region in operations in the Black Sea.

Admiral Ercument Tatlıoglu, commander of the Turkish Navy, has spoken out against the presence of naval forces of other NATO allies, including the US, in the Black Sea.

Now, Turkey has abandoned this position.

Two other countries, which have not been named, plan to create a joint fleet to clear mines in parts of the Black Sea, alongside Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria.

The second country is Norway.

Turkey negotiated its position on allowing US and British ships to pass "waiting for positive and solid steps by the US to acquire and modernize F-16 warplanes", a Turkish goal long delayed by the Americans."

Turcia a cedat în războiul Mării Negre. Navele SUA și Marii Britanii pot trece. România, de acord • Newsweek România

Turcia a cedat în războiul Mării Negre. Navele SUA și Marii Britanii pot trece pentru operațiuni. Acordul va fi semnat în această săptămână la Istanbul cu România și Bulgaria, fiind invitate și alte țări NATO.

newsweek.ro

Just yesterday NATO/America and their global media instruments were stirring the narrative of kicking Turkey out of NATO. Russia is the not threat she once was and from the looks of it she is going to continue decades of decay and regression. Do not open the black sea to America, they already set bases up with the PKK in syria and protect them against us. Don't let their navy entrench themselves in the black sea. It will in the long term only be used against us.

As long as the EU/US continue to side with terrorists against us, undermining us. Eventually when Russia weakens to such a point that she cannot challenge Turkey, it may be in our interest to create some kind of alliance in the blacksea together to defend against an US/EU coalition.

Moving forward i suspect the US/EU are going to turn into our major foe in the region, if they are not already.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744683979989520826

Turkey, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia want to increase Defence Cooperation.

 

[Ryder]

Just yesterday NATO/America and their global media instruments were stirring the narrative of kicking Turkey out of NATO. Russia is the not threat she once was and from the looks of it she is going to continue decades of decay and regression. Do not open the black sea to America, they already set bases up with the PKK in syria and protect them against us. Don't let their navy entrench themselves in the black sea. It will in the long term only be used against us.

As long as the EU/US continue to side with terrorists against us, undermining us. Eventually when Russia weakens to such a point that she cannot challenge Turkey, it may be in our interest to create some kind of alliance in the blacksea together to defend against an US/EU coalition.

Moving forward i suspect the US/EU are going to turn into our major foe in the region, if they are not already.

Turkiye, China and Russia are considered threats to the White Race, Western civilisation and Europe in general.

Japan would be considered but it is now firmly under Western domination. So no chance of Japan challenging the World order like they did when Emperor Meiji modernised and industrialised the country.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Logic dictates when dealing with the US/EU that whatever they praise you for means you are doing against your own interests. Then depending on the level of pressure and threats they place against Turkey dictates how vital doing those things are to your interests. So when the Americans threaten or at the very least imply war against you when say moving on the PKK, then its vital you pursue those interests.

When the US/EU threaten us not to do something in "OUR" region, then its vital we do it.

A few years ago the west was pressuring Azerbaijan from the first second to ceasefire in liberating her occupied lands. Today the Isrealis are committing an open genocide with the intent to usurp yet more lands that don't belong to these predominantly somewhat mixed white eastern euro types. No mention or pressure of ceasefire, none whatsoever.

See the agenda for what it is, imperialism is more alive then its ever been in the region. All that's changed is an era of mass media and social media its face had to adapt.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Logic dictates when dealing with the US/EU that whatever they praise you for means you are doing against your own interests. Then depending on the level of pressure and threats they place against Turkey dictates how vital doing those things are to your interests. So when the Americans threaten or at the very least imply war against you when say moving on the PKK, then its vital you pursue those interests.

When the US/EU threaten us not to do something in "OUR" region, then its vital we do it.

A few years ago the west was pressuring Azerbaijan from the first second to ceasefire in liberating her occupied lands. Today the Isrealis are committing an open genocide with the intent to usurp yet more lands that don't belong to these predominantly somewhat mixed white eastern euro types. No mention or pressure of ceasefire, none whatsoever.

See the agenda for what it is, imperialism is more alive then its ever been in the region. All that's changed is an era of mass media and social media its face had to adapt.

Might makes right. Doesn't matter if you're wrong or right only the ability to kill millions will give you respect.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Might makes right. Doesn't matter if you're wrong or right only the ability to kill millions will give you respect.

The rise and fall of a people is based on incremental steps. The Ottomans were a tiny tribe on the western fringe, but you make the correct decisions step by step and eventually they became a massive power. Then the decline happens the same way, you incrementally make the wrong moves, you keep making them and then you find yourself at the end of world war one with the 4 corners occupied.

You get Ataturk and the men around him making the right moves in the next decade or two and here you are 1 hundred years later and your back at the table again. Not only at the table but your talking about building 5th gen fighter jets, something only a few nations of the world can do. With a mindset where its no longer to sit on the outside watching, but instead with a drive to start getting active again regionally.

The PKK agenda is exactly the same. Its no good going after Turkey unless you break iraq and syria first. So let me put it this way, if the PKK had been successful at completely making it to the med sea and a similar state was formed as the one in Northern Iraq. The next phase of the anglo-american agenda moves into play. At this point whoever our leader is will become the next saddam Hussein.

This is why when Turkey was going to move east Trump sent that letter, because the americans know that if we destroy their plans in Syria they cannot start the next phase against Turkey directly. They would have to go back to pretending they are our friends allies.

The best way to have a good relationship with the USA is to roll back their regional agenda as much as possible. The further they are in that agenda the more aggressive they will behave towards us.

On a side note an example of the regional agenda being rolled back against us was Azerbaijans victory against Armenian/Russian occupiers or Turkeys intervention in Cyprus 1974.

Imagine if Turks didnt move into Cyprus in 1974 can you imagine how more heavy the east med agenda would be against Turkey, then it is currently.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I dont know where to post it so i post here at geopolitics Globalfirepower 2024 and Turkiye is 8th place