TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Rooxbar]

We had access to the products of trillions dollars worth of R&D to learn from for 3 decades. That's ending: the gravity of this, I'd hope, the frequenters of a defense forum would understand; but alas they think our engineers are magicians.

 

[Corvus]

Interesting that you always respond when we talk about harsher measurments against PKK in Syria...

Economic? Social? Political? We gave them all three, look at our Parliament, look at the "protests" for OCalans freedom in the South East, look at those rats in Turkish Universities, what are you talking about.

You can't eradicate this ideology, therefore you have to fight it, not give them more wealth, social and political power. No matter wealthy or not, educated or not they will not change.

My response wasn't about the PKK in Syria. I just generally find it pretty naive that you think such problems are solvable by killing.

Could you please tell me in what fantasy world Israel's security focused policies turned out well for them that you give it as a positive example? It seems like you're more into killing (satisfying your superiority complex) rather than actually solving the problems.

If you talk about ensuring social, economic and political justice for all the citizens as "giving" that means the problem is still not solved. Justice is not yours to give it to anyone and this type of arrogance is the main source of many conflicts.

I suggest you to exercise some empathy. That's the first step of bringing the peace.

 

[Corvus]

This is some of the most pretentious, holier-than-thou drivel I've ever seen on this site. You respond with worthless vague statements like "peace good" "try empathy lol".

Literally anyone ever can say that war is bad, this is such a trite statement to make that it adds absolutely nothing to the discourse. Saying "war bad tho" doesn't make war disappear unless you live in some juvenile utopia. We have tried to stop this peacefully. GAP comes to mind, billions of dollars down the drain trying to uplift the eastern part of this country.

See, it really wasn't that long ago that we were scared shitless of going outside. It wasn't that long ago that there were active and constant battles within the country. It's only because we finally said fuck this and put our boots on that the fighting got pushed outside the country and we got some headway into actual security.

Your idea of somehow making this work on the negotiation table has been tried and failed, they will not concede from autonomy (at the bare minimum) and we will not concede from a full, unitary country. There is no compromise to be made. And they're sure as shit not going to change their idea when the US sees them as a very useful proxy tool to do their bidding in the middle east without sacrificing US lives.

And I'll be honest, if an ethnicity that has never in their entire history of existing had a state of their own gets to carve one out of 4 goddamn countries and a Turk actually supports this because they legit drank the American kool-aid, God help you. Might as well claim a mini-Turkiye in each and every single country where we're a sizable minority then? Will you support that? Shit I want Berlin. If Justice is not ours to give, does it belong to the US or the ones we fight who get to randomly claim this or that as theirs? But you'll give some horseshit vague answer about how justice is found through an impartial screening or some other thesaurus extract and pat yourself on the back 'n call it a day. Shit, Armenians have a stronger claim to the lands they want from us than them, lol.

I actually agree that my statement above was vague and that caused misunderstandings from your side combined with the prejudice. You are arguing things that I never meant.

I remember very well what happened in Çözüm Süreci and I don't want same mistakes to be repeated. We should continue our military operations until PKK becomes practically "peaceful" meaning they no longer pose military threat to us.

BUT, that's still not going to be a total solution. A total solution requires a comprehensive and substantial approach that we haven't applied before.

Unfortunately I have very little hope for such solution as our nation and politicians are far from this level of maturity.

 

[CAN_TR]

My response wasn't about the PKK in Syria. I just generally find it pretty naive that you think such problems are solvable by killing.

Could you please tell me in what fantasy world Israel's security focused policies turned out well for them that you give it as a positive example? It seems like you're more into killing (satisfying your superiority complex) rather than actually solving the problems.

If you talk about ensuring social, economic and political justice for all the citizens as "giving" that means the problem is still not solved. Justice is not yours to give it to anyone and this type of arrogance is the main source of many conflicts.

I suggest you to exercise some empathy. That's the first step of bringing the peace.

Diplomacy, economy and education aren't the solution as we saw, therefore you have to reduce their numbers from time to time, that's how you deal with vermin.

Well Israel had more enemies than just Iran and it's proxies, Iraq and Syria are no threat anymore. Egypt could have been one but Moursi was taken care off quickly. I'm not into killing, but this is a problem that you can't solve any other way than hard power. If you think that this conflict emerged because injustice then you are pretty naive, this conflict is just the continuation of the 1930s and during all the uprisings in the Ottoman era.
Then explain us what the solution is, because i know what you are up to, so don't talk around all the time and say it strait out.

Empathy for terrorists and their sympathizers, sure buddy do you want some coffee and cake too?

 

[RMZN]

I actually agree that my statement above was vague and that caused misunderstandings from your side combined with the prejudice. You are arguing things that I never meant.

I remember very well what happened in Çözüm Süreci and I don't want same mistakes to be repeated. We should continue our military operations until PKK becomes practically "peaceful" meaning they no longer pose military threat to us.

BUT, that's still not going to be a total solution. A total solution requires a comprehensive and substantial approach that we haven't applied before.

Unfortunately I have very little hope for such solution as our nation and politicians are far from this level of maturity

If you face an enemy that is driven by a very clear Ideology that says its okay for him to kill you to achieve his goals, what do you do? You cant kill Ideologies, you can however kill those who follow them. They have a very clear cut goal and are willing to die for it. So simply let them.

No problem is completely solvable by killing others but at the end of the day it decreases the risk of being killed yourself. Unless the opposing force isn't convinces of their own defeat, they wont back down. And you don't do that by giving them Diplomacy, economy and education.

Did anyone offer to engage in diplomatic talks with isis? to hear them out on their "anti-imperialist" viewpoints? To let them be?

 

[Lool]

Are these rumors true?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849429675912880224

 

[2033]

Are these rumors true?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849429675912880224

Who tf cares about BRICS

It is a dysfunctional union that our politicians try to join to herd sheep.

 

[Isbara]

Are these rumors true?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849429675912880224

China is a BRICS member. WTF ?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

China is a BRICS member. WTF ?

It's the C in BRICS!

 

[Ripley]

It's the C in BRICS!

I think he meant how could India reject Turkey despite China. I’m not sure though tbh.

 

[Ripley]

Funny tough, Saudis are very close with Pakistan as well.
also, don’t think Turkey’s NATO commitments would be the reason as the bloc is not a military allience and India is a QUAD member.

I’m grateful to them for the opportunity and also must thank them for not keeping us at the door for decades with “outdated” values like democracy and human rights as excuses since, with few exceptions, current members and future members mostly don’t really even exercise such norms.

 

[baklava]

Turkic Union it is

 

[Asena_great]

Turkic Union it is

after öcalan good luck with that you will no longer be a Turkic country i think you didn't grasp the situation read the first 4 article of constitution as well as 42th and 66th article they are soon to be removed

 

[Lool]

Who tf cares about BRICS

It is a dysfunctional union that our politicians try to join to herd sheep.

If you think so then you are quite naive (no offense meant)

At first all of us thought the same way but the fact that the BRICS alternative to SWIFT will soon come to service and the fact that current members trade in their own currency is already a huge win. Couple that with the fact that the biggest obstacle in India-China relations have been solved within BRICS and you should see the immense potential it has if utilised correctly

China's foreign trade with dometic currency has already surpassed its foreign trade in dollars which is a huuuuuge achievement. The same goes for Russiaas well.

The world is shifting and the West is collapsing with narcissitic pro-LGBTQ idiots rising to power and the US suffering from the worst 2 presidential candidates in its history, massive public debts, refugee crises, and Russia's war in Ukraine

 

[Lool]

Turkic Union it is

Turkic union is way weaker and more fragile than BRICS

Hell, the Turkic nations (aside from Turkey) dont even have the guts to recognise their fellow brothers in TRNC in order to not antagonise their Western masters but sure..... they will surely lend a hand in time of need

 

[baklava]

Turkic union is way weaker and more fragile than BRICS

Hell, the Turkic nations (aside from Turkey) dont even have the balls to recognise their fellow brothers in TRNC in order to not antagonise their Western masters but sure..... they will surely lend a hand in time of need

Turkic Union is no alternative to west or east alliances (YET) But after some decades it may be. Atleast there is some progess.

 

[Lool]

………

Insult me as much as you want but the truth will remain the same regardless of the vile words you used to describe me with

Why hasnt the Turkic nations recognised TRNC till date?
The problem lies in some of the member states themselves as their leaders dont wanna antagonise their Western masters..... period!

It doesnt make sense for Turkey to be the onky nation at the forefront fighting for the TRNC while the other states just cheer from the backseats and only claim that they are a part of the victory when Turkey wins and if Turkey lost, they will just throw all the blame at it and act as if nothing happened

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Insult me as much as you want but the truth will remain the same regardless of the vile words you used to describe me with

Why hasnt the Turkic nations recognised TRNC till date?
The problem lies in some of the memer states themselves as their leaders dont wanna antagonise their Western masters..... period!

Was rome build in one day? There is your answer...

 

[Lool]

Was rome build in one day? There is your answer...

Agreed
But the problem here is that many Turkic states just dont wanna sacrifice for one another..... they are just siphoning off from Turkey

 

[baklava]

Was rome build in one day? There is your answer...

Turks don't have this much patience though. We need to build All roads lead to samarkand much faster