TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Deliorman]

Turkic union is way weaker and more fragile than BRICS

Hell, the Turkic nations (aside from Turkey) dont even have the balls to recognise their fellow brothers in TRNC in order to not antagonise their Western masters but sure..... they will surely lend a hand in time of need

Is Albania recognizing TRNC? What about fellow Kosovo?

 

[Lool]

Is Albania recognizing TRNC? What about fellow Kosovo?

Albania is a weak country and Iam not denyin it. Sadly, as per the rules of the jungle, we have to bow to the strong

However, Albania isnt a part of the Turkic alliance but nations like kazakhstan and uzbekistan not stand side by side wih Turkey and recognise TRNC? Wasnt one of the alliance goals to protect the interest of the Turkic people? Yet they sell the TRNC to avoid antagonising US, France, and Russia?

When Russia entered its war, China and Iran aided it
When US concotted the Ukrainian war, all of the West aided it
When the Arabs initiated a lockdown against Qatar, most of the monarchies aided it
When Azerbaijan fought its war to reclaim its rights, Turkey aided it
When Turkey stands up for TRNC? Who will aid it I wonder?

 

[what]

The most important Union to us still is and will be for the foreseeable future the EU. Even if we're not part of it.

 

[Jammer]

Are these rumors true?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849429675912880224

Funny how there was no voting or even a plan on expanding BRICS this year and one german media misquoting a veteran turkish diplomat caused all this disinfo to spread.

 

[Heartbang]

but nations like kazakhstan and uzbekistan not stand side by side wih Turkey and recognise TRNC?

I can tell why at least Kazakhstan has not recognized the TRNC.

All the way back when the full-scale invasion of Ukraine first began, Tokayev said TO PUTIN'S FACE that they will not recognize donetsk, luhansk and the other rogue Ukrainian oblasts as independent countries.

After all that, its not that hard to conclude that if they turned around and recognized TRNC, Russia would throw the mother of all hissy-fits.

Both China and Russia has territorial claims against Kazakhstan. They need to walk on eggshells, geopolitically speaking.

As for the rest of the members of the OTS, I have no clue.

 

[Iskander]

I can tell why at least Kazakhstan has not recognized the TRNC.

All the way back when the full-scale invasion of Ukraine first began, Tokayev said TO PUTIN'S FACE that they will not recognize donetsk, luhansk and the other rogue Ukrainian oblasts as independent countries.

After all that, its not that hard to conclude that if they turned around and recognized TRNC, Russia would throw the mother of all hissy-fits.

Both China and Russia has territorial claims against Kazakhstan. They need to walk on eggshells, geopolitically speaking.

As for the rest of the members of the OTS, I have no clue.

My point of view may seem a little strange, but the recognition of the TRNC by the Turkic countries depends more on Türkiye than on our Central Asian brothers. Let's answer the question "Is Türkiye ready today to guarantee security to the mentioned countries neighboring the two giants?" Or conclude a military assistance agreement?
Obviously not.
Unlike them, we have the Shusha Treaty with Türkiye. Therefore, Azerbaijan is the closest to recognizing Northern Cyprus.
We all need a powerful Türkiye.

 

[Ryder]

I can tell why at least Kazakhstan has not recognized the TRNC.

All the way back when the full-scale invasion of Ukraine first began, Tokayev said TO PUTIN'S FACE that they will not recognize donetsk, luhansk and the other rogue Ukrainian oblasts as independent countries.

After all that, its not that hard to conclude that if they turned around and recognized TRNC, Russia would throw the mother of all hissy-fits.

Both China and Russia has territorial claims against Kazakhstan. They need to walk on eggshells, geopolitically speaking.

As for the rest of the members of the OTS, I have no clue.

If Russia won in Ukraine they were going to go after Kazakhstan.

 

[Heartbang]

My point of view may seem a little strange, but the recognition of the TRNC by the Turkic countries depends more on Türkiye than on our Central Asian brothers. Let's answer the question "Is Türkiye ready today to guarantee security to the mentioned countries neighboring the two giants?" Or conclude a military assistance agreement?
Obviously not.
Unlike them, we have the Shusha Treaty with Türkiye. Therefore, Azerbaijan is the closest to recognizing Northern Cyprus.
We all need a powerful Türkiye.

Agreed.

 

[hugh]

A prelude to sucking up to India?

Erdogan:

The backbone of our foreign policy is the Türkiye axis. Turkey's national interests, security sensitivities, economic and commercial interests are our most basic priorities.

In this context, we believe that we have serious cooperation potential with the countries in the BRICS platform.

We are not changing sides; on the contrary, we are trying to take our rightful place in the changing global system with a Türkiye-centered approach.

This perspective lies behind our efforts to advance our relations with multinational cooperation platforms at different levels.

Covering 30% of the world's surface area and 45% of its population…

40% of global oil production, 25% of goods exports, 2/5 of trade...

Becoming a center of economic attraction on a global scale…

We believe that advancing our relations with BRICS, which offers significant opportunities for our country, which aims to become one of the world's top 10 economies, will be beneficial for Turkey in every respect.

Our country's developing relations with BRICS are not and can never be an alternative to our current engagements.

Turkey takes its place on all these platforms as a NATO ally and a country negotiating full membership in the European Union.

As a nation, we will continue our march towards the future on the same line we have been advancing on for thousands of years, today and tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850953182605713579

 

[Barry]

Who doesn't this colossal failure in foreign relations suck up to?

 

[Heartbang]

A prelude to sucking up to India?

Erdogan:

The backbone of our foreign policy is the Türkiye axis. Turkey's national interests, security sensitivities, economic and commercial interests are our most basic priorities.

In this context, we believe that we have serious cooperation potential with the countries in the BRICS platform.

We are not changing sides; on the contrary, we are trying to take our rightful place in the changing global system with a Türkiye-centered approach.

This perspective lies behind our efforts to advance our relations with multinational cooperation platforms at different levels.

Covering 30% of the world's surface area and 45% of its population…

40% of global oil production, 25% of goods exports, 2/5 of trade...

Becoming a center of economic attraction on a global scale…

We believe that advancing our relations with BRICS, which offers significant opportunities for our country, which aims to become one of the world's top 10 economies, will be beneficial for Turkey in every respect.

Our country's developing relations with BRICS are not and can never be an alternative to our current engagements.

Turkey takes its place on all these platforms as a NATO ally and a country negotiating full membership in the European Union.

As a nation, we will continue our march towards the future on the same line we have been advancing on for thousands of years, today and tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850953182605713579

Nah. The statement is too rounded.

 

[Ryder]

I hope this greater israel bs gets put to sleep.

Israel is not gonna blitzkreig and reach Turkiye.

Havent taken Gaza and they havent Blitzkreig Lebanon.

Come to reality. Same for some of our Turks who dream of Turkiye blitzkreiging the Balkans, Caucasus, Russia and the Middle East.

 

[Anastasius]

My point of view may seem a little strange, but the recognition of the TRNC by the Turkic countries depends more on Türkiye than on our Central Asian brothers. Let's answer the question "Is Türkiye ready today to guarantee security to the mentioned countries neighboring the two giants?" Or conclude a military assistance agreement?
Obviously not.
Unlike them, we have the Shusha Treaty with Türkiye. Therefore, Azerbaijan is the closest to recognizing Northern Cyprus.
We all need a powerful Türkiye.

Azerbaijan already co-operates with the TRNC so much that we might as well have recognized them.

I hope this greater israel bs gets put to sleep.

Israel is not gonna blitzkreig and reach Turkiye.

Havent taken Gaza and they havent Blitzkreig Lebanon.

Come to reality. Same for some of our Turks who dream of Turkiye blitzkreiging the Balkans, Caucasus, Russia and the Middle East.

Blitzkrieging is easy, it's the part after you've finished blitzkrieging and your soldiers are trapped deep in enemy territory with virtually nonexistent logistical support and the opposition starts winding up for a counter-attack where the nightmare begins.

 

[somegoodusername]

Weapons don’t have to be used to show their impact. We've significantly lost air superiority in the region to Israel, which is reflected in the shift in decisions by Turkish policymakers. Greece is set to establish air superiority over the Aegean Sea by 2028, will able to declare 12nm territorial sea borders, and we’re already seeing this influence Turkish policy changes.

 

[Sanchez]

We've significantly lost air superiority in the region to Israel

We've never had air superiority over Israel in the region. They had 60 F-15s in 90s when we were still running F-104s.

 

[Rooxbar]

We've never had air superiority over Israel in the region. They had 60 F-15s in 90s when we were still running F-104s.

This from Wolfowitz Doctrine:

In the Middle East and Persian Gulf, we seek to foster regional stability, deter aggression against our friends and interests in the region, protect U.S. nationals and property, and safeguard our access to international air and seaways and to the region's oil. The United States is committed to the security of Israel and to maintaining the qualitative edge that is critical to Israel's security. Israel's confidence in its security and U.S.-Israel strategic cooperation contribute to the stability of the entire region, as demonstrated once again during the Persian Gulf War. At the same time, our assistance to our Arab friends to defend themselves against aggression also strengthens security throughout the region, including for Israel.

 

[Asena_great]

A prelude to sucking up to India?

Erdogan:

The backbone of our foreign policy is the Türkiye axis. Turkey's national interests, security sensitivities, economic and commercial interests are our most basic priorities.

In this context, we believe that we have serious cooperation potential with the countries in the BRICS platform.

We are not changing sides; on the contrary, we are trying to take our rightful place in the changing global system with a Türkiye-centered approach.

This perspective lies behind our efforts to advance our relations with multinational cooperation platforms at different levels.

Covering 30% of the world's surface area and 45% of its population…

40% of global oil production, 25% of goods exports, 2/5 of trade...

Becoming a center of economic attraction on a global scale…

We believe that advancing our relations with BRICS, which offers significant opportunities for our country, which aims to become one of the world's top 10 economies, will be beneficial for Turkey in every respect.

Our country's developing relations with BRICS are not and can never be an alternative to our current engagements.

Turkey takes its place on all these platforms as a NATO ally and a country negotiating full membership in the European Union.

As a nation, we will continue our march towards the future on the same line we have been advancing on for thousands of years, today and tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850953182605713579

28 subat generals maintain balanced between pakistan and india same with arab world and west + israel as soon as islamist came to power the recondsied kashmir for pakistan and make eternal enemy of india we should ask them how much benefit their 31ing their islamic fantasy benefit the turkish nation ?? now in every front india support anyone whos against turkey same goes for arab world. they used turkey as cannon fodder while they keep their relationship strong with west. after Egypt revolution erdogan supported morsi and the ihvançilar even after he was overthrown hence Egypt israel and greek created collation aginst turkey. again islamist 31ing their islamic fantasy backfired and for syria we need no more explanations. we left with all those 13 million kaçaks and their 125 billion dollars costs no need to mention their crimes. while with 28 subat generals we still had some ally in US congress and lobbist now anyone in west defends turkey he or she commits political suicided

everything 28 subat general did now is undone under name of islamist's 31ing their islamic fantasies now erdogan doing what ?? sorry we made a mistake we learn our lessons ?? top strength of dunya leader is to send gulşen to jail

 

[Rooxbar]

28 subat generals maintain balanced between pakistan and india same with arab world and west + israel as soon as islamist came to power the recondsied kashmir for pakistan and make eternal enemy of india we should ask them how much benefit their 31ing their islamic fantasy benefit the turkish nation ?? now in every front india support anyone whos against turkey same goes for arab world. they used turkey as cannon fodder while they keep their relationship strong with west. after Egypt revolution erdogan supported morsi and the ihvançilar even after he was overthrown hence Egypt israel and greek created collation aginst turkey. again islamist 31ing their islamic fantasy backfired and for syria we need no more explanations. we left with all those 13 million kaçaks and their 125 billion dollars costs no need to mention their crimes. while with 28 subat generals we still had some ally in US congress and lobbist now anyone in west defends turkey he or she commits political suicided

everything 28 subat general did now is undone under name of islamist's 31ing their islamic fantasies now erdogan doing what ?? sorry we made a mistake we learn our lessons ?? top strength of dunya leader is to send gulşen to jail

When one reads about the long history of various Russo-Turkish wars of esp. 18th and 19th centuries, one sees that many of the conflicts which ended up with humiliating defeats and loss of territory were instigated by the Ottomans themselves with Ulema egging on the court despite premonition by military men, with multiple cases of citing the Battle of Badr and intercession of angels, arguing that Kudretî İman will make them prevail like it did in 1453 and Kıbrıs Seferi, overruling on the ground analysis.

I say all that to point out that continuing to support Ikhvan like they did is probably more stupid than going for a losing war because of angels. But that's the outcome from that level of analysis. There's no remedy to being slapped in the face by the hand of reality because of burying your head in the sand of ideological delusions. Because that's who they are, their background, their education, their worldview is totally anachronistic.

 

[Sanchez]

This from Wolfowitz Doctrine:

This is true, but as I've also previously mentioned in the air force threat, starting from '88, Turkish air force began a huge modernization effort with 4th gen jets. In 99 for Yugoslavia War, we had the only air force that was capable of night time ground strike operations with Paveways and LITENING pods outside of US. No other country had such capability, not even UK. Losing our F-35 access cannot be read outside of this doctrine. We are not getting F-35s now unless Israel agrees. In the past we would had regular F-35s compared to Israel's own modded ones, we now don't have anything until Kaan is online. It didn't have to be this way.

 

[Rooxbar]

This is true, but as I've also previously mentioned in the air force threat, starting from '88, Turkish air force began a huge modernization effort with 4th gen jets. In 99 for Yugoslavia War, we had the only air force that was capable of night time ground strike operations with Paveways and LITENING pods outside of US. No other country had such capability, not even UK. Losing our F-35 access cannot be read outside of this doctrine. We are not getting F-35s now unless Israel agrees. In the past we would had regular F-35s compared to Israel's own modded ones, we now don't have anything until Kaan is online. It didn't have to be this way.

I'm very afraid of espionage and infiltration efforts with regards to Kaan and the engine project, esp. after seeing the nonchalant and incompetent way in which security was implemented in the facilities.

In general, people dominated with magical thinking, due to being touched by modernity, still can more or less detect expertise when it comes to obviously technical matters, but when it comes to disciplines and fields regarding human interactions they cannot extend the same faith in technical expertise that they are forced to seek in their doctors or mechanical engineers, as the expertise is more subtle and less obvious.