TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[selim]

Before thinking about the endgame we have to realize that Israel conspired to usurp KKTC rights in Eastern Mediteranean.
They're fully onboard future Belgian, French, Swedish, German ships fishing all the fish 6 km away from Turkish shores according to Sevilla map.
Each day they're dropping bombs further north, today only 80 minutes of car-drive away from Turkish border.
Now you can argue it is all Erdogan's fault, he's bad Islamist pretending Israel is ruled by kumbaya Greta Thunberg kind of world savers.
Israel's establishment is filled with Jewish Talibans and their demographic trajectory will make them less secular each passing month.

There's panic in Israel due to detoriating USA superpower status in the world, so they threw all morale consideration away to make facts on the ground, expands as much as possible as long as USA still has the upper hand against China and remains sole Superpower.

 

[selim]

I also reject posts arguing Turkey is becoming Iran.
Iranian society is becoming less Mullah-Iran.

Israel is turning Jewish-Mullah. Society and establishment.
You can realize and acknowledge what's happening despite hating Erdogan.
These are not your friends.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Before thinking about the endgame we have to realize that Israel conspired to usurp KKTC rights in Eastern Mediteranean.
They're fully onboard future Belgian, French, Swedish, German ships fishing all the fish 6 km away from Turkish shores according to Sevilla map.
Each day they're dropping bombs further north, today only 80 minutes of car-drive away from Turkish border.
Now you can argue it is all Erdogan's fault, he's bad Islamist pretending Israel is ruled by kumbaya Greta Thunberg kind of world savers.
Israel's establishment is filled with Jewish Talibans and their demographic trajectory will make them less secular each passing month.

There's panic in Israel due to detoriating USA superpower status in the world, so they threw all morale consideration away to make facts on the ground, expands as much as possible as long as USA still has the upper hand against China and remains sole Superpower.

I also reject posts arguing Turkey is becoming Iran.
Iranian society is becoming less Mullah-Iran.

Israel is turning Jewish-Mullah. Society and establishment.
You can realize and acknowledge what's happening despite hating Erdogan.
These are not your friends.

There's no such thing as morals in geopolitics, only winners and losers. You think the alies were actually the good guys in WW1/WW2? No, but they won. You think the USA was the good guy in the cold war? No, but it was the Soviet Union that collapsed. You think Israel is the good guy in this current conflict? No but they will also win.

If you are thinking in terms of morals and emotions, you've already lost the war.

I find the idea that Israel is becoming some kind of backwards Jewish version of Afghanistan/Iran hilarious. Yes just like Islam, their religion is backwards, but it doesn't even matter because they don't let dogmas hold them back, they've probably broken all rules of their religion just to gain power. Furthermore, their language, religion and culture are all their's. Jewish identity is intertwined with the state of Israel. The same can't be said for Türkiye or Iran, where half the population wants to follow an Arab religion and the other half wants to go back to their roots.

I'm sorry to say but neither Türkiye nor Iran will prosper under Islamist rule. Both countries are heavily handicapped. Even look at the gulf countries who are rapidly secularizing. They've exported their religion for so long and now they're watching the fireworks from a safe distance.

I'd also like to add that the USA had it's dirty hands in Islamizing a lot of countries, most likely for the benefit of Israel. You can find declassified documents that mention this, one of them even mentioned that they wanted to remove secularist generals from the Turkish military and install a "mild" Islamist regime which would be better for US interests. What do you all think FETÖ and tarikats were for?

I'm hoping for early elections

 

[Numberone]

Minister of National Defence Yaşar Güler:

Israel may attack Turkey.

It doesn't take a big event, World War III could break out at any time.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856427901568081994

I don't even know what to say anymore, it's like we are purposely trying to become Iran 2.0, meanwhile Arab countries don't give a shit about Israel. Truth is it's all for domestic consumption. Our foreign policy is a JOKE.

We are a joke of a country sad to see what happened to our beautiful country because of this Hukumet with all the Yes men.

 

[Deliorman]

I also reject posts arguing Turkey is becoming Iran.
Iranian society is becoming less Mullah-Iran.

Israel is turning Jewish-Mullah. Society and establishment.
You can realize and acknowledge what's happening despite hating Erdogan.
These are not your friends.

Turkey doesn't need to be a friend of Israel or to take their side (or any other side) in this big dirty game. All Turkey needs to do to win... is just to be neutral not to play their games at all.

Leave Israelis, Arabs and Iranians to kill each other as much as they want and just improve your economy, military, internal security and diplomacy while they are wasting their resources on endless conflicts. The moment you enter the Middle Eastern swamp you are already starting to lose.

 

[Zoth]

Turkey doesn't need to be a friend of Israel or to take their side (or any other side) in this big dirty game. All Turkey needs to do to win... is just to be neutral not to play their games at all.

Leave Israelis, Arabs and Iranians to kill each other as much as they want and just improve your economy, military, internal security and diplomacy while they are wasting their resources on endless conflicts. The moment you enter the Middle Eastern swamp you are already starting to lose.

Goodluck staying Neutral with Israel when Israeli Lobby keeps pushing anti Turkish sentiments together with Greek lobby and puts us in a really difficult situation both in Syria, Iraq, Cyprus or in Eastern Mediterranean in general.

Read if you want to learn more:

Why Israel Is Cheering On Iraqi Kurds' Push for Independence

A discussion on how the relationship has evolved to the point where Israel was the only regional government encouraging rather than decrying the KRG referendum.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

Project MUSE -- Verification required!

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-escalating-tensions-a-three-way-fight-between-turkey-iran-and-israel/

Basically, Israel's Alliance of Minorities strategy is directly against us in both Syria and Iraq, you can't just leave Israel alone, as much as i don't like Iran and Israel, if we leave and watch Iran getting destroyed, we are the next one after them.

 

[Lool]

Official invitation?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856620389457174736

 

[Lool]

Turkey doesn't need to be a friend of Israel or to take their side (or any other side) in this big dirty game. All Turkey needs to do to win... is just to be neutral not to play their games at all.

Leave Israelis, Arabs and Iranians to kill each other as much as they want and just improve your economy, military, internal security and diplomacy while they are wasting their resources on endless conflicts. The moment you enter the Middle Eastern swamp you are already starting to lose.

I completely agree with the notion that Turkey remians neutral. However, always remember that as long as Turkey is growing militarily and industrialy to a point that Israel cant feel safe either directly or indirectly, Israel will never leave Turkey unless it is pummeled to the ground

They can do anything from sanctions, terrorism, to even fueling rebellions. We already saw ISIS and the PKK as prime examples of what the zionists can do

 

[Zoth]

Official invitation?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856620389457174736

Too early to believe anything since i couldn't find anything else on this, but if it's real, i personally believe it's a good move for us.

 

[Deliorman]

Goodluck staying Neutral with Israel when Israeli Lobby keeps pushing anti Turkish sentiments together with Greek lobby and puts us in a really difficult situation both in Syria, Iraq, Cyprus or in Eastern Mediterranean in general.

Read if you want to learn more:

Why Israel Is Cheering On Iraqi Kurds' Push for Independence

A discussion on how the relationship has evolved to the point where Israel was the only regional government encouraging rather than decrying the KRG referendum.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

Project MUSE -- Verification required!

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-escalating-tensions-a-three-way-fight-between-turkey-iran-and-israel/

Basically, Israel's Alliance of Minorities strategy is directly against us in both Syria and Iraq, you can't just leave Israel alone, as much as i don't like Iran and Israel, if we leave and watch Iran getting destroyed, we are the next one after them.

You are proving my point.

Yes, Israel and the Jewish lobby is actively working against Turkey but let's not forget who started this "Cold war"- it was Erdogan with his ambitions to be a Muslim leader and protector of Palestinians who provoked it (Davos, Mavi Marmara and etc). Out of nowhere he created problems and helped old ones to become even bigger.

I can write more and more but don't really want to waste time for stuff that we have discussed 1000 times before.

 

[Heartbang]

Not sure about the history of the author

The author is a bloody mankurt.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853798383950942642

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856305218230587480

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853495049364865176

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852408632148668819

 

[Rooxbar]

Goodluck staying Neutral with Israel when Israeli Lobby keeps pushing anti Turkish sentiments together with Greek lobby and puts us in a really difficult situation both in Syria, Iraq, Cyprus or in Eastern Mediterranean in general.

Read if you want to learn more:

Why Israel Is Cheering On Iraqi Kurds' Push for Independence

A discussion on how the relationship has evolved to the point where Israel was the only regional government encouraging rather than decrying the KRG referendum.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

Project MUSE -- Verification required!

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-escalating-tensions-a-three-way-fight-between-turkey-iran-and-israel/

Basically, Israel's Alliance of Minorities strategy is directly against us in both Syria and Iraq, you can't just leave Israel alone, as much as i don't like Iran and Israel, if we leave and watch Iran getting destroyed, we are the next one after them.

We started that; they're only responding. Israel's plans and ambitions for domination in the region are old and their strategy of alliance of periphery has always been a national security risk for us showcased by the fact that their demands to connect with Northern Iraqi Kurds through us was denied by MIT in the 70s and they had to cooperate with the Shah of Iran in that regard.

But this minimal fight was waged in the intelligence front in implicit ways behind the scene without making it into an open hostility. So much so that we had very high-level intelligence cooperation with Israel on most other matters and they considered us a friend as a NATO member and an ally of their masters in U.S. and the Jewish billionaires there; the stipulation that they were using that to further their interests is true but also obvious. Another objection that they would oppose us the second we stood against their interests is also only natural.

This admin's anti-Israeli outlook is purely ideological and predates any hostile action by Israel. Even at times when our relations with U.S. was strained, it was Israelis who tried to mend them, and their lobbies helped us block recognition of Armenian genocide and many other such cases exist including defense technology exchanges in the 90s.

 

[Iskander]

The author is a bloody mankurt.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853798383950942642

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856305218230587480

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853495049364865176

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852408632148668819

There are more such, so to speak, experts in America and in the West in general than there are stray dogs on the streets. And "National Interest" became a mouthpiece for anti-Turkish propaganda.
Its owner (or chief editor) Dmitry Says has long been working for Russia. He ran away from American justice in time and now hosts the political show "Big Game" in Moscow and serves the “national interests”, naturally, of Russia It is nou hard to imagine how he is now dragging the USA through the mud.

TV Presenter Who Worked for Channel One Russia Charged with Violating U.S. Sanctions Imposed on Russia

The Department of Justice today unsealed two indictments charging Dimitri Simes, 76, and Anastasia Simes, 55, both of Huntly, Virginia, and Russia with two separate schemes to violate U.S. sanctions.

www.justice.gov

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/09/05/doj-justice-russia-elections/

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

The author is a bloody mankurt.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853798383950942642

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856305218230587480

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853495049364865176

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852408632148668819

As expected... Probably a FETÖcu who supported the government until his cult leader and RTE became "enemies". I still think his article has some truth to it though.

 

[Numberone]

As expected... Probably a FETÖcu who supported the government until his cult leader and RTE became "enemies". I still think his article has some truth to it though.

Did some research looks like someone willing to sell anybody even his own country for monetary & careers gains. He works together with Anti-Turkey (mostly greeks) lobbies. Disgusting. There is even a post online from 2005 that he sold out his partner from Sabancı university. Karaktersiz operasyon evladı. Kesin buralardada takiliyordur.

 

[Zoth]

Man, the rumors about Trump's Cabinet and already official appointments are crazy, i don't know how to word this without using swear words, this cabinet is going to .... us. We must finish that corridor in Syria before Trump gets into White House.

 

[Ryder]

Middle East, Balkans and the Caucasus are all Swamps.

Lets not forget Across the Black Sea with Ukraine vs Russia.

Turkiye's geography is a blessing and a curse.

Take it as you will.

 

[Scott Summers]

The most anti-Turkish US politician in US history, look which position she gets.

https://greekreporter.com/2024/11/14/tulsi-gabbard-greece-turkey-national-intelligence-trump/

 

[Sanchez]

The most anti-Turkish US politician in US history

Lol, hardly.

 

[Zoth]

The most anti-Turkish US politician in US history, look which position she gets.

https://greekreporter.com/2024/11/14/tulsi-gabbard-greece-turkey-national-intelligence-trump/

Eh, this has started to become really tiring, if they really decide to go full anti Turkey, we have our alternatives and while it's certain that we are going to suffer in the short term, in the long term it will be in our favor. They are the ones who are going to need us in the long term and they should finally decide if they want us as allies or not.