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Yeah it's a pathetic government. I don't expect anything good from them. They're sucking up to everyone to fill their own pockets. A lot of the "geopolitical victories" that western journalists say that Erdoğan has had didn't really benefit the nation in any way. All gains went directly into AKPs pockets. This is why we lose at the table time after time, despite being capable of sweeping the floor on the battlefield

We have a lot of advantages over our neighbors. Our geographic position, our military and sense of nationalism is far superior to everyone else in the region. But we can't leverage any of this government that's trying to cling onto power.

We can't make moves that will strategically benefit us. We're just running errands for the USA. After more than a decade we haven't launched an operation to clear YPG off thr map. Kurdistan and PKK flags are flying all over the southeast. Turkmens aren't being protected at all in Iraq or Syria. We haven't made a single move to help Azerbaijanis in Iran.
You really need to wake up from the notion of "we have a strong military so lets just sweep them out"


Not everything is solved militarily bro. In order to fullfill your dream of going all in with the military, the Turkish state and economy must be able to handle the consequences. Turkey's greatest trading partner is the West and Turkey's greatest financier is the West and Med East and all of them are anti-Turkey in anything that would possibly promote its growth

Since you are talking so much about how Turkey's geography is favourable, lets remind you that Turkey's neighbour is the EU and they are supporting the PKK and then you have Iran which is a neighbour and is supporting the PKK. In addition to being Turkey's biggest trading partner, the EU has a lot of leverage and power regarding the EEZ issue with Greece which is also supporting the PKK and I wont even get into how the EU has much more technological and financial means to cripple Turkey in the case of a military intervention. In addition to that, the ridiculously filthy arab monarchs who would pay to see Turkey destroyed and Iam sure you do remember the recent 2016 coup that was financed by the UAE

Moreover, how on earth are you planning on helping the Azeris in Iran? Have you forgotten that Iran is a nuclear state? Have you forgotten, that unlike Turkey, Iran has a more stable internal structure and no nation is fighting against it regarding basic crucial resources like oil and gas which are necessary for the growth of any nation on earth? ALL what it needs is 5 nuclear bombs and it is game over for the current Turkey. Do you know whats even funnier? When Turkey tries to make its own nuclear weapons, they are getting sanctioned by their so-called allies.

And lets talk about nationalism..... Not all of Turkey is united and, with no offense meant, many might run when shit hits the fan just like in any other nation? The most national people in Turkey are probably those in central Anatolia with Kurdish-dominated areas and many in coastal, western, cities like Istanbul may jump ship at any moment just like in the past and since you are a Turk, Iam sure you do know that already since it is recorded in your history books

Moreover, the turkish army while being the strongest in the region isnt the strongest worldwide. When you talk about killing the PKK/YPG in either syria or Iraq, you need to realise that you wont be fighting some third-rate terrorists but rather those who are backing them; particularly the US and Israel. There is a reason why the US has its own soldiers standing between the TSK and the PKK/YPG; its because they know that if even one American soldier gets injured, the consequences imposed on Turkey would be so severe that they wont even be able to breath from it

Finally, to give you an example, lets talk about China! China has a military more advanced than Turkey, an economy more resilient than Turkey, technological levels that are leaps and bounds above Turkey, a nuclear state unlike Turkey, and nationalistic values that are on par with Turkey: YET the Chinese dont even dare of destroying and occupying the small island of Taiwan. Do you know why? Its because the US is stationing its soldiers between China and Taiwan and the Chinese knows that the ramifications of injuring even one American soldier is severe and even China may not be able to endure it. If China cant do it to an Island that it thousands of kilometres away from the US, then how do you expect Turkey to deal with the PKK when the US has nuclear bases all around the region?

You need to wake up from whatever marvel comic you are reading and rejoin reality bro
 
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NATO Secretary General Rutte, speaking in Warsaw yesterday, said that four American soldiers had been killed in Latvia near the border with Belarus.


They apparently drove their AFV into a swamp and drowned before being able to get out.
 

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Funny that you say that while you are rambling about Iran having nucleair weapons and than say that Turkey would get sanctioned if it would try to do the same .
Iran has nuclear technology with the equipment necessary to refine weapons grade uranium in place
Reports from the US and Israel (if they are to be trusted) indicate that Iran can have operational nuclear weapons in less than a month

Meanwhile Turkey has no infrastructure in place and the nuclear technology tree (metaphor) in Turkey is quite weak. When Turkey wanted to build a new NPP, Western nations offered to build limited-size NPP on the condition that they completely operate it without Turkey's involvement and when Turkey asked Russia to build its Akkuyu NPP, the West imposes sanctions and embargoes that delays the operation date

Due to recent embargoes from Germany, the Akkuyu NPP which was supposed to be operational last year was delayed to the end of this year or early next year

Finally, there are rumors that the NPP deal between Turkey and South Korea is in jeopardy because the US has been indirectly pressuring the Korean govt to stop the deal. If this isnt an embargo, then Idk what you ought to call it
 
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🔴 A new anti-Turkey terrorist organization was established in Southern Cyprus.

▪️ The organization announced that it would launch an armed struggle against Turkey.

▪️ The name of the structure is Revolutionary Freedom Fighters.”


I’ve searched to no avail. Conflicttr doesn’t provide a source.
Naturally, EOKA comes to mind hence a revival or continuation of it but no info about it yet, either.
 

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on the condition that they completely operate it without Turkey's involvement
You are skewing recent history.

It was Turkey that wanted its first npp to be built under build, own, operate. Akkuyu is literally is built on the same promise. It's not a Turkish NPP. It's a Russian NPP on Turkish soil that can only sell energy to Turkey. First and only BOO NPP in the world.

French/Japanese and Korean offers fell through most likely because they saw that it was an idiotic business model that they wouldn't earn any money due to its fixed price contract. Akkuyu is a direct financial loss for Rosatom before it even became online. It's possible that it will be a geopolitical win for Russia however, time will tell.
when Turkey asked Russia to build its Akkuyu NPP, the West imposes sanctions and embargoes that delays the operation date
They imposed sanctions on Rosatom, a Russian state owned company after Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022. What did you expect would happen? With a fucked up economy and a fucked up population pyramid, we simply are not as important as India; we will never get the same waivers they get for their dealings with Russia. This is the thing with walking a thin rope between two factions, factions will do things that will hurt you.
 
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🔴 A new anti-Turkey terrorist organization was established in Southern Cyprus.

▪️ The organization announced that it would launch an armed struggle against Turkey.

▪️ The name of the structure is Revolutionary Freedom Fighters.”


I’ve searched to no avail. Conflicttr doesn’t provide a source.
Naturally, EOKA comes to mind hence a revival or continuation of it but no info about it yet, either.
Nice justification to take other part of island 🤣🤣
 

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You really need to wake up from the notion of "we have a strong military so lets just sweep them out"


Not everything is solved militarily bro. In order to fullfill your dream of going all in with the military, the Turkish state and economy must be able to handle the consequences. Turkey's greatest trading partner is the West and Turkey's greatest financier is the West and Med East and all of them are anti-Turkey in anything that would possibly promote its growth

Since you are talking so much about how Turkey's geography is favourable, lets remind you that Turkey's neighbour is the EU and they are supporting the PKK and then you have Iran which is a neighbour and is supporting the PKK. In addition to being Turkey's biggest trading partner, the EU has a lot of leverage and power regarding the EEZ issue with Greece which is also supporting the PKK and I wont even get into how the EU has much more technological and financial means to cripple Turkey in the case of a military intervention. In addition to that, the ridiculously filthy arab monarchs who would pay to see Turkey destroyed and Iam sure you do remember the recent 2016 coup that was financed by the UAE

Moreover, how on earth are you planning on helping the Azeris in Iran? Have you forgotten that Iran is a nuclear state? Have you forgotten, that unlike Turkey, Iran has a more stable internal structure and no nation is fighting against it regarding basic crucial resources like oil and gas which are necessary for the growth of any nation on earth? ALL what it needs is 5 nuclear bombs and it is game over for the current Turkey. Do you know whats even funnier? When Turkey tries to make its own nuclear weapons, they are getting sanctioned by their so-called allies.

And lets talk about nationalism..... Not all of Turkey is united and, with no offense meant, many might run when shit hits the fan just like in any other nation? The most national people in Turkey are probably those in central Anatolia with Kurdish-dominated areas and many in coastal, western, cities like Istanbul may jump ship at any moment just like in the past and since you are a Turk, Iam sure you do know that already since it is recorded in your history books

Moreover, the turkish army while being the strongest in the region isnt the strongest worldwide. When you talk about killing the PKK/YPG in either syria or Iraq, you need to realise that you wont be fighting some third-rate terrorists but rather those who are backing them; particularly the US and Israel. There is a reason why the US has its own soldiers standing between the TSK and the PKK/YPG; its because they know that if even one American soldier gets injured, the consequences imposed on Turkey would be so severe that they wont even be able to breath from it

Finally, to give you an example, lets talk about China! China has a military more advanced than Turkey, an economy more resilient than Turkey, technological levels that are leaps and bounds above Turkey, a nuclear state unlike Turkey, and nationalistic values that are on par with Turkey: YET the Chinese dont even dare of destroying and occupying the small island of Taiwan. Do you know why? Its because the US is stationing its soldiers between China and Taiwan and the Chinese knows that the ramifications of injuring even one American soldier is severe and even China may not be able to endure it. If China cant do it to an Island that it thousands of kilometres away from the US, then how do you expect Turkey to deal with the PKK when the US has nuclear bases all around the region?

You need to wake up from whatever marvel comic you are reading and rejoin reality bro
you are so wrong.
China has not taken military action against Taiwan because the people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait share the same origin, language and ethnicity.
China hopes for peaceful reunification.

If a war with the United States is inevitable, China would rather have the battlefield set in Japan or Australia.
 

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🔴 A new anti-Turkey terrorist organization was established in Southern Cyprus.

▪️ The organization announced that it would launch an armed struggle against Turkey.

▪️ The name of the structure is Revolutionary Freedom Fighters.”


I’ve searched to no avail. Conflicttr doesn’t provide a source.
Naturally, EOKA comes to mind hence a revival or continuation of it but no info about it yet, either.
There may be an Israeli-Greek collaboration behind this terrorist organization. Whoever controls Cyprus will be the sole owner of the rich natural gas fields here, just as they control the eastern Mediterranean. I definitely see war in the future of Cyprus, but we will not be on the losing side. As they attack, they will lose.
 

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🔴 A new anti-Turkey terrorist organization was established in Southern Cyprus.

▪️ The organization announced that it would launch an armed struggle against Turkey.

▪️ The name of the structure is Revolutionary Freedom Fighters.”


I’ve searched to no avail. Conflicttr doesn’t provide a source.
Naturally, EOKA comes to mind hence a revival or continuation of it but no info about it yet, either.
I'll personally go fight and defeat this whole terrorist organization 🤣

nah but seriously do they think they stand a chance?
 

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Finally, after 3 years of war in Ukraine, European leaders have realized the Russian threat and remembered ... Great Turkey! It has come to the point that even the Greeks' friend, French President monsieur Macron, began to sing serenades under the window of the authoritarian Erdogan :)

Yesterday, after a meeting of European leaders in Paris, monsieur Macron, answering a question from journalists, said: - "We respect Turkey, which is a great country and plays an important role in ensuring the security and stability of our continent..."

Things are taking an interesting turn.
 

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Never believe a single fucking word out of a white European's mouth.

Why so much racism against white Europeans? And you’re not the only one in this forum who mentions “white Europeans” as some evil race that hates “brown people”…

The crazy thing is that most Turks are also white, and those from the European side of Turkey are technically white Europeans…
 

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Why so much racism against white Europeans? And you’re not the only one in this forum who mentions “white Europeans” as some evil race that hates “brown people”…

The crazy thing is that most Turks are also white, and those from the European side of Turkey are technically white Europeans…
We may pass as white but you can sense a pretty clear attitude change when you mention your ethnicity. It’s like your skin suddenly becomes several shades darker in their eyes even if in reality you are paler than an Irish person.

I’d argue that’s more common for people on the other side of Europe though. Romania is almost right next door to Turkey so you might not be biased in such a manner.
 

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Why so much racism against white Europeans? And you’re not the only one in this forum who mentions “white Europeans” as some evil race that hates “brown people”…

The crazy thing is that most Turks are also white, and those from the European side of Turkey are technically white Europeans…
Well they did try to partition our country and attempted to commit genocide upon us all with their local christian proxies, which was half successful and costed us most of the Balkans and caused untold suffering and humiliation to millions of Turks.

But the real reason is interpersonal I think. Any Turk with self respect, a functional mind and enough experience with westerners comes to the inevitable conclusion that they don't really think we are human, let alone equals. Average westerner, regardless of political or religious orientation, would probably see the annihilation of my nation as a positive thing. It's mostly a subconscious thing. My people put the fear of god in westerners so hard, whenever Turkey is the hot topic their entire kumbaya liberal worldview disappears and they turn into Günther, the Viennese shoemaker from 1560. Which in turn informs their policymaking.

Not to mention the West actually poses a threat still, as opposed to Russia or Iran.
 
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Well they did try to partition our country and attempted to commit genocide upon us all with their local christian proxies, which was half successful and costed us most of the Balkans and caused untold suffering and humiliation to millions of Turks.
They tried that because as Churchil said :


“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”​



So,it had to do with us being Muslim(in those days Muslims had a different image) which means it has nothing to do with us being white brown or black.



But the real reason is interpersonal I think. Any Turk with self respect, a functional mind and enough experience with westerners comes to the inevitable conclusion that they don't really think we are human, let alone equals. Average westerner, regardless of political or religious orientation, would probably see the annihilation of my nation as a positive thing. It's mostly a subconscious thing. My people put the fear of god in westerners so hard, whenever Turkey is the hot topic their entire kumbaya liberal worldview disappears and they turn into Günther, the Viennese shoemaker from 1560. Which in turn informs their policymaking.
Thats bs,it is about the fear of the Turk,the conquerer,the warior breed.
If you would be living in Western Europe,you would have noticed that nobody would want trouble with Turks because Turks dont fuck around when push comes to shove.
Why when they talk about Muslim terrorists they never talk about Turks?
They dont see us as Muslim terrorists.
 

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But the real reason is interpersonal I think. Any Turk with self respect, a functional mind and enough experience with westerners comes to the inevitable conclusion that they don't really think we are human, let alone equals.

This is really crazy talk, and it can’t be further from the truth. Yes, there are alwys some idiots who think that way, but those idiots probably think the same about 90% of ethnicities and people.

Average westerner, regardless of political or religious orientation, would probably see the annihilation of my nation as a positive thing.

This is another false statement detached from reality. How do you explain the fact that when you had that terrible earthquake, European countries were the first to rush with help?

Also, if Europeans hated you so much, you wouldn’t be part of UEFA or compete at the Eurovision. The fact that even Azerbaidjan is part of these European competitions shows that most Europeans see you as European.

The reason why some idiots in Europe may hate you is because there have been many problems lately with fundamentalist muslims (from other countries, not turks), and those who are uneducated and lack knowledge tend to put all muslims in a single basket. But even in this case, it has nothing to do with skin color, because Turks have the same skin color like many “white Europeans” (italians, greeks, spaniards look very similar to turks). The Portuguese, which are Western European, are generally of a darker skin tone than Turks.
 

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This is another false statement detached from reality. How do you explain the fact that when you had that terrible earthquake, European countries were the first to rush with help?
When Europeans rushed to help Turkey, they arrived at the disaster area and saw Armenian rescuers who were the most «merciful» to the Turks :)
 
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