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Revising the EU-TR customs union in return for the opening of Turkiye-Armenia border is a win-win deal. There is the question of the Zangezur corridor though.
 

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Coming to here from the TurAF topic, going to requote this part.

"Önümüzdeki birkaç ay içinde iki liderimiz ve iki dışişleri bakanımız arasında bir yeni bir buluşmayı, ikili gündemin, beş yıldır tartışılan tüm bu konuların yenilendiğini göreceksiniz. F35, F16, S400'ler, yaptırımlar, gümrük vergileri gibi şeyler bizim misyonumuzun ikincil unsurları. Sanırım ilk kez, ABD ve Türkiye'nin sadece savunma ortakları olmak yerine, 'atağa geçen ortaklar olalım' diyen bir taahhüdü var."

"In the next few months you will see a new meeting between our two leaders and our two foreign ministers, a renewal of the bilateral agenda, of all these issues that have been discussed for five years. Things like F35, F16, S400s, sanctions, tariffs are secondary to our mission. I think for the first time, for the first time, the United States and Turkey have a commitment that says 'let's be partners on the offensive' rather than just defense partners."

I'm more interested in that last sentence, to be "partners that go on the offensive" or it can be read as "let's act together".

That is 50% exciting, and 50% scary. US doesn't have equal partners, that's now how they view the world. They are happy with leaving countries be in their small worlds but unless you're Israel, you don't get to pull US to the direction you want to go.

That could only mean that this very rarely talked about happenstances that's been going on since september with PKK, Syria, Gaza, Israel and Iran may be more linked together than we think. Where are we being led to? Why do I have a feeling that we won't like it?

Should we expect a Zaihanist "Turkey will rule MENAT for US and will keep Israel safe as the regional hegemon" or "be happy with where you stand and take Libya as prize or I unleash my attack dog netanyahu on you."?


Adding on the actual interview in original language and Turkish subs. Imploring everyone to watch this to see where we are potentially heading.

 
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Coming to here from the TurAF topic, going to requote this part.

"Önümüzdeki birkaç ay içinde iki liderimiz ve iki dışişleri bakanımız arasında bir yeni bir buluşmayı, ikili gündemin, beş yıldır tartışılan tüm bu konuların yenilendiğini göreceksiniz. F35, F16, S400'ler, yaptırımlar, gümrük vergileri gibi şeyler bizim misyonumuzun ikincil unsurları. Sanırım ilk kez, ABD ve Türkiye'nin sadece savunma ortakları olmak yerine, 'atağa geçen ortaklar olalım' diyen bir taahhüdü var."

"In the next few months you will see a new meeting between our two leaders and our two foreign ministers, a renewal of the bilateral agenda, of all these issues that have been discussed for five years. Things like F35, F16, S400s, sanctions, tariffs are secondary to our mission. I think for the first time, for the first time, the United States and Turkey have a commitment that says 'let's be partners on the offensive' rather than just defense partners."

I'm more interested in that last sentence, to be "partners that go on the offensive" or it can be read as "let's act together".

That is 50% exciting, and 50% scary. US doesn't have equal partners, that's now how they view the world. They are happy with leaving countries be in their small worlds but unless you're Israel, you don't get to pull US to the direction you want to go.

That could only mean that this very rarely talked about happenstances that's been going on since september with PKK, Syria, Gaza, Israel and Iran may be more linked together than we think. Where are we being led to? Why do I have a feeling that we won't like it?

Should we expect a Zaihanist "Turkey will rule MENAT for US and will keep Israel safe as the regional hegemon" or "be happy with where you stand and take Libya as prize or I unleash my attack dog netanyahu on you."?


If that guy doesn't talk bs and if those plans won't have a negative impact on our defense industry/rights in East Med, then wouldn't it be a good thing to stick to USA without getting too dependant of them? I mean the next 15 years should be as less turbulent as possible for us until our biggest defense projects mature. But like i said without giving away our rights.
 

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If that guy doesn't talk bs and if those plans won't have a negative impact on our defense industry/rights in East Med, then wouldn't it be a good thing to stick to USA without getting too dependant of them? I mean the next 15 years should be as less turbulent as possible for us until our biggest defense projects mature. But like i said without giving away our rights.
Ain't no such thing as a free lunch
 

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Tom Barrack is the most dangerous and cunning ambassador ever appointed to Turkiye as far as I can remember. We should be extremely cautious and careful when dealing with him.
 

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US Ambassador to Türkiye Tom Barrack: the best system for Türkiye is the Ottoman Millet system

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Looks like they're not hiding their plans anymore.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/1lrfdm1
That's not what he said at all.


Only part he even refers to that is here:

"Barrack praised Turkey’s ability to host a diverse population and pointed to İzmir as a symbol of peaceful coexistence among Muslims, Jews, and Christians. “This should be the norm across the region.”

He argued that the Ottoman “millet” system offered valuable lessons and called for a “new dialogue—not war” for the next generation. Turkey, he said, combines military capability with a hardworking, globally aware population. “President Trump sees this,” he affirmed."

I wrote about this interview above, few days ago.
Coming to here from the TurAF topic, going to requote this part.

"Önümüzdeki birkaç ay içinde iki liderimiz ve iki dışişleri bakanımız arasında bir yeni bir buluşmayı, ikili gündemin, beş yıldır tartışılan tüm bu konuların yenilendiğini göreceksiniz. F35, F16, S400'ler, yaptırımlar, gümrük vergileri gibi şeyler bizim misyonumuzun ikincil unsurları. Sanırım ilk kez, ABD ve Türkiye'nin sadece savunma ortakları olmak yerine, 'atağa geçen ortaklar olalım' diyen bir taahhüdü var."

"In the next few months you will see a new meeting between our two leaders and our two foreign ministers, a renewal of the bilateral agenda, of all these issues that have been discussed for five years. Things like F35, F16, S400s, sanctions, tariffs are secondary to our mission. I think for the first time, for the first time, the United States and Turkey have a commitment that says 'let's be partners on the offensive' rather than just defense partners."

I'm more interested in that last sentence, to be "partners that go on the offensive" or it can be read as "let's act together".

That is 50% exciting, and 50% scary. US doesn't have equal partners, that's now how they view the world. They are happy with leaving countries be in their small worlds but unless you're Israel, you don't get to pull US to the direction you want to go.

That could only mean that this very rarely talked about happenstances that's been going on since september with PKK, Syria, Gaza, Israel and Iran may be more linked together than we think. Where are we being led to? Why do I have a feeling that we won't like it?

Should we expect a Zaihanist "Turkey will rule MENAT for US and will keep Israel safe as the regional hegemon" or "be happy with where you stand and take Libya as prize or I unleash my attack dog netanyahu on you."?


Adding on the actual interview in original language and Turkish subs. Imploring everyone to watch this to see where we are potentially heading.

 

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That is criminal. It is totally against our constitution.
To late for that,the first order to make peace with the PKK is already done.
Second order,integrate the PKK/SDF into Syria's government also done.
Third order.make peace with Israel will be done in a couple of weeks after the peace deal with Gaza/Hamas.
So,what he is saying is,''you have to you must make peace with Israel''.
 

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So,what he is saying is,''you have to you must make peace with Israel''.
I am ready to take some heat, but I will write anyway.

May be not peace (not at least right now, may be later) but some sort of coolheaded approach is needed imho. Dont get me wrong, I curse Israel more than anyone for what they have been doing to Palestinians, but Turkiye and our interest must come always first.

There is a fanatical and fundamentalist government going on in Israel. Nobody knows what their move next is. It could be very well be us. We are not Iran, but not fully ready to confront them nonetheless, not at least five or ten years. They know it, we know it.

Also, when Netanyahu gone and if especially some sort of peace agreement is achived in Palestine, (I am not saying we will become allies once again, some sort of geopolitical dynamics are negating that), frankly there can be no reason to have adversity with them. Our each and every governments have always said "2 states solution", for that is true and realistic. We are not behaving like some fanatical Arabs that saying Jewish state must be destroyed. Also to not become enemies is a necessity, don't forget the Greeks!

Before the war, we had trade surplus with Israel, not to mention the tourists they send. In addition, in normal times, some of them and in no small part, have some sympahty towards us. At the end of the day, they were "the people of book" in Ottoman Empire and we protected them longer than any nation in history.

There can be no good relations with them for any government in Türkiye because of public opinion, as long as they massacered Palestinians, especially the way they doing.

But right now, we cannot afford the give an inklings of excuse to them, at least we can and should keep a little bit low profile and behave ourselves.
 

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the plan is greater middle east, that means the balkanisation of Turkiye. Lets stop being so 'fking naïve when it comes to these American kunts. You spent the last 20 years watching them support the PKK against you, with their western media turning them into heroes and turning the Turks into terrorists. Every step of the way in which we tried to protect our own interests they were against us. You even watched these kunts work with Russia against us.

WAKE UP.

Its clear the islamists have granted the PKK autonomy, whether you realise it or not but trouble is coming down the line for Turkiye. The americans, the zionists are laughing at you and how f'king stupid the people of Turkiye have behaved. And yeah this "autonomy" was technically at gunpoint via the americans. Without their threats, their pressure against us the PKK couldnt even shit in the woods without getting smoked.
 

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Seems like some sources twisted his words
That's not what he said at all.


Only part he even refers to that is here:

"Barrack praised Turkey’s ability to host a diverse population and pointed to İzmir as a symbol of peaceful coexistence among Muslims, Jews, and Christians. “This should be the norm across the region.”

He argued that the Ottoman “millet” system offered valuable lessons and called for a “new dialogue—not war” for the next generation. Turkey, he said, combines military capability with a hardworking, globally aware population. “President Trump sees this,” he affirmed."

I wrote about this interview above, few days ago.

But I guess it now makes sense why they arrested Ümit Özdağ. Listen to the the intro to his speech.

 

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There is no twist. He is implying his intentions in a cunning way. He is the ambassador of the US. When he talks about something, he is not talking randomly. Especially this guy. He is praising the millet system; we can deduce why. We are not stupid, and it is not the first time he is bringing the Ottoman Empire, Sykes-Picot etc to the conversation.
 

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There is no twist. He is implying his intentions in a cunning way. He is the ambassador of the US. When he talks about something, he is not talking randomly. Especially this guy. He is praising the millet system; we can deduce why. We are not stupid, and it is not the first time he is bringing the Ottoman Empire, Sykes-Picot etc to the conversation.

You see it doesnt matter who comes in and out of office in the USA, the agenda for the region stays exactly the same. Politics is just a distraction, the plan has been written a long long time ago.
 

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