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NEW: Announced today during meeting of Turkiye and Iran's Foreign Ministers in Tehran:
- Iranian consulate to open in Van
- new border gates - at least one more - to open
- Turkish and Iranian rail networks to be integrated

this is a stupid move ! we shouldn't allow them to open consulate in east their relationship with Hezbollah is bad as it is this consulate will be the HQ for their activates
 

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Coming to here from the TurAF topic, going to requote this part.

"Önümüzdeki birkaç ay içinde iki liderimiz ve iki dışişleri bakanımız arasında bir yeni bir buluşmayı, ikili gündemin, beş yıldır tartışılan tüm bu konuların yenilendiğini göreceksiniz. F35, F16, S400'ler, yaptırımlar, gümrük vergileri gibi şeyler bizim misyonumuzun ikincil unsurları. Sanırım ilk kez, ABD ve Türkiye'nin sadece savunma ortakları olmak yerine, 'atağa geçen ortaklar olalım' diyen bir taahhüdü var."

"In the next few months you will see a new meeting between our two leaders and our two foreign ministers, a renewal of the bilateral agenda, of all these issues that have been discussed for five years. Things like F35, F16, S400s, sanctions, tariffs are secondary to our mission. I think for the first time, for the first time, the United States and Turkey have a commitment that says 'let's be partners on the offensive' rather than just defense partners."

I'm more interested in that last sentence, to be "partners that go on the offensive" or it can be read as "let's act together".

That is 50% exciting, and 50% scary. US doesn't have equal partners, that's now how they view the world. They are happy with leaving countries be in their small worlds but unless you're Israel, you don't get to pull US to the direction you want to go.

That could only mean that this very rarely talked about happenstances that's been going on since september with PKK, Syria, Gaza, Israel and Iran may be more linked together than we think. Where are we being led to? Why do I have a feeling that we won't like it?

Should we expect a Zaihanist "Turkey will rule MENAT for US and will keep Israel safe as the regional hegemon" or "be happy with where you stand and take Libya as prize or I unleash my attack dog netanyahu on you."?


Adding on the actual interview in original language and Turkish subs. Imploring everyone to watch this to see where we are potentially heading.


Semi related from Barrack's interview with Kathimerini (referred to as K in the piece) after his meeting with Bartholomew.

Tom Barrack in "K": Let's create a new order of things in the Eastern Mediterranean
Manolis Kostidis30.11.2025 • 10:00
The intention of the Trump administration to function as a "bridge" in Greek-Turkish relations, as well as the personal interest of the American president in the reopening of the Theological School of Halki, is conveyed through his interview with "K" by the US Ambassador to Ankara, Tom Barrack

Tom Barrack and Manolis Kostidis outside the Ecumenical Patriarchate, after the meeting of the American diplomat with Patriarch Bartholomew. Mr. Barrack's visit to The Phanar was held on the occasion of the arrival of Pope Leo XIV for the Council of Nicaea.

The intention of the Trump administration to function as a "bridge" in Greek-Turkish relations, as well as the personal interest of the American president in the reopening of the Theological School of Halki, was conveyed through his interview with "K" by the United States Ambassador to Ankara, Tom Barrack.

The conversation took place on the sidelines of Barrack's visit to the Phanar, where he was on the occasion of the Pope's arrival for the Council of Nicaea.

For the first time, in fact, the American diplomat refers to a specific timetable for the opening of Halki in September 2026.

- I wanted to ask you about the purpose of your visit and meeting with the Patriarch Bartholomew.

– The purpose of my visit, of course, is twofold. First, on the eve of the Pope’s presence for the anniversary of Nicaea – 1,700 years later – I want, on behalf of my president, to convey our congratulations, our appreciation and our deep friendship.

The second purpose is that, when His Holiness visited America and the president in the Oval Office, he raised the issue of the Halki Theological School, which is of utmost importance to both President Trump and President Erdogan. So we wanted to follow up on progress and see if there is anything we can do to facilitate, accelerate, support the discussions, with the aim of leading to a possible reopening of the School in September 2026.

So it was an excellent opportunity to be here with the Ecumenical Patriarch and supporters from all over the world, with bishops; I hope to receive some of this grace too.

– Do you know about Greek-Turkish relations? How do you think a road map should be drawn to improve them, especially in the Eastern Mediterranean?

– I think this is starting now. What we see in the world is a new dynamic, an attempt to leave the bitterness of the past aside and create a new framework. And this must start with Greece and Turkey. It makes no sense for two great countries, tied to each other, to still hold disputes over events that happened hundreds or even thousands of years ago.

Communication – Everything starts with communication. And communication is fueled more by prosperity than by fear. If Greece and Turkey come together, think of what could be created – for the people and their dreams.

We have great news America’s ambassador to Greece – she’s a very good friend of mine. We discussed it with President Trump; we wondered if we could act as a “mortar,” like the one that joins two bricks, to bring them closer in a new way, step by step. The time has come. It has to happen. A new regional order, a new way of working together is necessary. And we hope that America can be a bridge. That’s our goal.

– Do you think that creating a forum between the two countries in the Eastern Mediterranean could be a good roadmap?

– Absolutely. 100%. It should. It all starts with communication – and communication is fueled more by prosperity than by fear. If the two countries come together, think of what could be created: for the two countries, for all their people, for all their hopes and dreams. A new network of cooperation in the Eastern Mediterranean – of unity, prosperity, a better life for children. This has to be done.

– You talked about a “formula” from the Caspian to the Mediterranean – a solution you mentioned in an interview. What do you mean?

– I look at the lessons of history – what we have learned from the past. So does my boss. The reason President Trump can have this comprehensive world view is because he studies history. The Spice Road, the Silk Road connected the East to the West through three or four different routes. And on these prosperity roads an osmosis of cultures developed. This can happen again, but it has been blocked by the creation of nation-states after 1919. The idea that each country, each state is governed in a different way has not worked so well.

Cyprus – You cannot have an abscess in the center of an otherwise healthy body. Every part of that body has to be healed. And Cyprus is a crucial part of it. Our hope is that it will be included in the solution.
To create a new model of prosperity, think about it: we have the Caspian Sea with huge reserves of fossil fuels, cut off from the Mediterranean, where Greece and Turkey are the gateway. How is this gateway open? If you get rid of the political complications? And you get rid of the political complications when there is prosperity. That is our hope.

– Is Cyprus important for the region? For solving these problems?

– Of course. You cannot have an abscess in the center of an otherwise healthy body. Every part of that body needs to be healed. And Cyprus is a crucial part of it. Our hope is that it will be included in the solution.



Not much and it is short. He references his disdain for nation states again, mentions again the Zaihanist way of looking at things, that enough capital generation and "prosperity" can solve all issues. This mostly does work in the gulf, but I doubt it will really work on Greece and Turkey. There, US is always the one calling shots, here, Greece can always look to EU, look to Israel, Russia; and Turkey is Turkey.

So very interesting. He surely isn't suggesting the Hellenic Turkish confederation meme, but something very different. Where does this road leads us is anyone's guess.
 

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Semi related from Barrack's interview with Kathimerini (referred to as K in the piece) after his meeting with Bartholomew.

Tom Barrack in "K": Let's create a new order of things in the Eastern Mediterranean
Manolis Kostidis30.11.2025 • 10:00
The intention of the Trump administration to function as a "bridge" in Greek-Turkish relations, as well as the personal interest of the American president in the reopening of the Theological School of Halki, is conveyed through his interview with "K" by the US Ambassador to Ankara, Tom Barrack

Tom Barrack and Manolis Kostidis outside the Ecumenical Patriarchate, after the meeting of the American diplomat with Patriarch Bartholomew. Mr. Barrack's visit to The Phanar was held on the occasion of the arrival of Pope Leo XIV for the Council of Nicaea.

The intention of the Trump administration to function as a "bridge" in Greek-Turkish relations, as well as the personal interest of the American president in the reopening of the Theological School of Halki, was conveyed through his interview with "K" by the United States Ambassador to Ankara, Tom Barrack.

The conversation took place on the sidelines of Barrack's visit to the Phanar, where he was on the occasion of the Pope's arrival for the Council of Nicaea.

For the first time, in fact, the American diplomat refers to a specific timetable for the opening of Halki in September 2026.

- I wanted to ask you about the purpose of your visit and meeting with the Patriarch Bartholomew.

– The purpose of my visit, of course, is twofold. First, on the eve of the Pope’s presence for the anniversary of Nicaea – 1,700 years later – I want, on behalf of my president, to convey our congratulations, our appreciation and our deep friendship.

The second purpose is that, when His Holiness visited America and the president in the Oval Office, he raised the issue of the Halki Theological School, which is of utmost importance to both President Trump and President Erdogan. So we wanted to follow up on progress and see if there is anything we can do to facilitate, accelerate, support the discussions, with the aim of leading to a possible reopening of the School in September 2026.

So it was an excellent opportunity to be here with the Ecumenical Patriarch and supporters from all over the world, with bishops; I hope to receive some of this grace too.

– Do you know about Greek-Turkish relations? How do you think a road map should be drawn to improve them, especially in the Eastern Mediterranean?

– I think this is starting now. What we see in the world is a new dynamic, an attempt to leave the bitterness of the past aside and create a new framework. And this must start with Greece and Turkey. It makes no sense for two great countries, tied to each other, to still hold disputes over events that happened hundreds or even thousands of years ago.

Communication – Everything starts with communication. And communication is fueled more by prosperity than by fear. If Greece and Turkey come together, think of what could be created – for the people and their dreams.

We have great news America’s ambassador to Greece – she’s a very good friend of mine. We discussed it with President Trump; we wondered if we could act as a “mortar,” like the one that joins two bricks, to bring them closer in a new way, step by step. The time has come. It has to happen. A new regional order, a new way of working together is necessary. And we hope that America can be a bridge. That’s our goal.

– Do you think that creating a forum between the two countries in the Eastern Mediterranean could be a good roadmap?

– Absolutely. 100%. It should. It all starts with communication – and communication is fueled more by prosperity than by fear. If the two countries come together, think of what could be created: for the two countries, for all their people, for all their hopes and dreams. A new network of cooperation in the Eastern Mediterranean – of unity, prosperity, a better life for children. This has to be done.

– You talked about a “formula” from the Caspian to the Mediterranean – a solution you mentioned in an interview. What do you mean?

– I look at the lessons of history – what we have learned from the past. So does my boss. The reason President Trump can have this comprehensive world view is because he studies history. The Spice Road, the Silk Road connected the East to the West through three or four different routes. And on these prosperity roads an osmosis of cultures developed. This can happen again, but it has been blocked by the creation of nation-states after 1919. The idea that each country, each state is governed in a different way has not worked so well.

Cyprus – You cannot have an abscess in the center of an otherwise healthy body. Every part of that body has to be healed. And Cyprus is a crucial part of it. Our hope is that it will be included in the solution.
To create a new model of prosperity, think about it: we have the Caspian Sea with huge reserves of fossil fuels, cut off from the Mediterranean, where Greece and Turkey are the gateway. How is this gateway open? If you get rid of the political complications? And you get rid of the political complications when there is prosperity. That is our hope.

– Is Cyprus important for the region? For solving these problems?

– Of course. You cannot have an abscess in the center of an otherwise healthy body. Every part of that body needs to be healed. And Cyprus is a crucial part of it. Our hope is that it will be included in the solution.



Not much and it is short. He references his disdain for nation states again, mentions again the Zaihanist way of looking at things, that enough capital generation and "prosperity" can solve all issues. This mostly does work in the gulf, but I doubt it will really work on Greece and Turkey. There, US is always the one calling shots, here, Greece can always look to EU, look to Israel, Russia; and Turkey is Turkey.

So very interesting. He surely isn't suggesting the Hellenic Turkish confederation meme, but something very different. Where does this road leads us is anyone's guess.

Turks if you fall for these American affiliated demons, then in the end you deserve the hell they will bring you and your families. Learn from the palestinians as to what the Americans want for the region.

As for erdogan, Muslims are being prepared to accept the elevation of the Christian church within the state of Turkiye. A church that in the last few hundreds has only operated as an enemy of the Turkish people. The wider orthodox world for the most part is anti-Turkish. Meanwhile your going to open your arses to them.

I suspect turning the agia sophia back into a mosque wasn't really about Muslims or populist political moves, it was about preparing the ground work that it is a significant place of worship, after seeing the orthodox and catholic pope making up with erdogan as host, i suspect the church will be handed over to the Orthodox Christians probably within 10 years if the "islamist" agenda persists within Turkiye. Ofcourse it will be sold by islamists as another victory.
 
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I guess it's all out in the open now. All the "conspiracies", every single concern the old Turkish nationalists had about AKP and Islamists has become reality.

They wore a Turkish-Islamic synthesis mask for decades, and now this mask has been ripped off and we can see the ugly face behind it.

For years they attacked Atatürk whilst waving our flag, for years they placed importance of non-Turks above that of Turks under the illusion of Ottomanism. They scream Islam, Allah, Ummah, and in reality they just want us to become another Iran or Afghanistan that our adversaries can play with. They let in millions of refugees and continue to turn a blind eye to the thousands who enter every week.

Saudi money and influence has been pumped in for decades, all to make the US happy. But who's this really for? Who benefits from Türkiye going from a secular, united, ethnostate to a multi ethnic, multifaith, fragmented dictatorship?

FYI Erdoğan just attacked CHP for Atatürk squashing a Kurdish terrorist rebellion. Meanwhile armed guards with kurdistan patches walked around the southeast last week with the full approval of akp
 

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I guess it's all out in the open now. All the "conspiracies", every single concern the old Turkish nationalists had about AKP and Islamists has become reality.

They wore a Turkish-Islamic synthesis mask for decades, and now this mask has been ripped off and we can see the ugly face behind it.

For years they attacked Atatürk whilst waving our flag, for years they placed importance of non-Turks above that of Turks under the illusion of Ottomanism. They scream Islam, Allah, Ummah, and in reality they just want us to become another Iran or Afghanistan that our adversaries can play with. They let in millions of refugees and continue to turn a blind eye to the thousands who enter every week.

Saudi money and influence has been pumped in for decades, all to make the US happy. But who's this really for? Who benefits from Türkiye going from a secular, united, ethnostate to a multi ethnic, multifaith, fragmented dictatorship?

FYI Erdoğan just attacked CHP for Atatürk squashing a Kurdish terrorist rebellion. Meanwhile armed guards with kurdistan patches walked around the southeast last week with the full approval of akp

Erdogan is a Georgian and his party members are either Arab or Kurd. Hence why they say nothing against Kurdish nationalism.

These idiots know nothing about Islamic-Turkic synthesis.

Erdogan claims all the Seljuk and Ottoman victories were all thanks to Turks, Arabs and Kurds.

What is even more hilarious if Erdogan went and claim Muslim Arab victories as victories for the Turks during the Rashidun, Ummayad, Abbassid and the Fatimid eras. The Arabs would be laughing at his face lmaoooo

I dont see Arabs copting Turkish/Turkic victories as their own why should I feel the need to co-opt peoples victories as my own just because we share the same religion? Are African Christians going to celebrate the reconquista or the British empire? The logic man!! Our people need to wake up man.
 
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Turks if you fall for these American affiliated demons, then in the end you deserve the hell they will bring you and your families. Learn from the palestinians as to what the Americans want for the region.

As for erdogan, Muslims are being prepared to accept the elevation of the Christian church within the state of Turkiye. A church that in the last few hundreds has only operated as an enemy of the Turkish people. The wider orthodox world for the most part is anti-Turkish. Meanwhile your going to open your arses to them.

I suspect turning the agia sophia back into a mosque wasn't really about Muslims or populist political moves, it was about preparing the ground work that it is a significant place of worship, after seeing the orthodox and catholic pope making up with erdogan as host, i suspect the church will be handed over to the Orthodox Christians probably within 10 years if the "islamist" agenda persists within Turkiye. Ofcourse it will be sold by islamists as another victory.

Erdogan also apologised for the anti Greek pogrom and is using Turkish tax paying money to build churches for the Armenians and Assyrians.

Erdogan believes all non Turkish minorities got oppressed by Ataturk wants to bring back the Ottoman era of how peaceful it was. All bullshit.

Seljuks and the Ottomans all suppressed numerous rebellions did not care about ethnic groups. It was either pay tax or face our wrath. That was the issue when the Ottomans should have placed Turkification policies be more like the European colonial powers.

Also Greece and Armenia have no Turkish run schools while Erdogan is giving the Greeks and the Armenians their own schools.

Lets not forget the Ottomans placed their death knell when they began allowing everybody to have their own schools rather than placing a standard school system.

Greeks especially the priests brainwashed Greeks to speak Greek and one day to free Greece which happened in 1821. Now the same is coming for Anadolu. Greeks want it back and Erdogan is helping them.

Erdogan is really doing all of this to stay in power his also trying to showcase to the EU look how tolerant we are get us into the EU please even if it means shitting on the country.
 

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Many discussions about Turkey continue to revolve around the old dichotomy of Kemalism versus Islamism. However, this paradigm falls short of explaining the actual transformation of the country. Turkey is currently neither moving back towards religious fundamentalism nor returning to the classic, state-ideological Kemalism of the 20th century. What we are seeing instead is the establishment of a technocratic power and state system based on liberal neo-Ottomanism, in which security policy, industrial and geostrategic factors play a decisive role. Ideology (religion) serves more as an instrument than as a political end in itself.

Central to this is the systematic development of an independent military-industrial complex that is structurally comparable to the US model. With players such as TAI, Baykar, ASELSAN, ROKETSAN, HAVELSAN and close links to state research institutions such as TÜBİTAK, a permanent industrial, technological and security ecosystem is emerging. This system is not tailored to individual political actors, but is developing its own institutional inertia. As a result, future governments – regardless of their party political or social origins – will increasingly be bound to a pro-Turkish, interest-driven line in their foreign and security policy options. Similar to the US, it is not a single politician who is in control here, but a long-term interplay between industry, the military, research and export structures.
Erdoğan, whether you like him or not, has created something that sustains itself as a system, making him its architect.

At the same time, Turkey is increasingly positioning itself as a pivotal and connecting state between geopolitical blocs. It remains integrated into Western structures, but not completely, while at the same time building relationships, industrial cooperation and security policy networks in Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia and parts of Islamic Asia. This no longer creates a classic bloc state, but rather an autonomous regional power centre with global networks. This role clearly differs from that of a superpower such as the USA or China/Russia, which do not have these networks, at least not in this form. It is strategically highly relevant, as Turkey is economically, security-politically and technologically anchored in several regions at the same time.

This development also explains why neighbouring countries are simultaneously nervous and increasingly seeking cooperation, e.g. the US, UK, Spain, Italy, South Korea, Japan, Brazil, Azerbaijan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan (China), Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.
This is not due to ideological proximity or friendship, but rather to economic/industrial dependencies, synergies in defence cooperation, training programmes and security infrastructure, and security in energy transit, migration, trade and the flow of goods between continents.
It is precisely these dependencies that create long-term geopolitical leverage. At the same time, this position is irreversible – for the first time in decades, Turkey has achieved a structurally independent strategic capacity for action that is no longer derived solely from its alliance memberships. This is unique in this form.
 

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