"What are you doing today? I am training to be stealthy."Stealth training aircraft
It doesn't make much sense.
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"What are you doing today? I am training to be stealthy."Stealth training aircraft
It doesn't make much sense.
To lower the costs and to mainly give them a platform that is more forgiving than high performance combat aircraft.Then why do fighter pilots train with light jets instead of real fighters in their squadrons?
I am sure next gen jet trainers will be stealth.
Another thought. With the Hürjet becoming active and replacing the ancient T-38s, and with Hürjet being much closer in feel, performance and avionics to F-16 and Kaan, could we maybe cut the number of F-16Ds used for conversion training? And put them through a Sufa like mod package through Özgür-3 to make them deep strike and SEAD monsters? Just a nice thought...Because trainers are designed for that purpose, to train with. An F-16 isn't, nor is Kaan. Making a trainer stealthy is just a waste of resources.
Damn be realistic man we are talking about a light attack aircraft please make some senseif or When Hürjet as a light attack aircraft happens ''under normal circumtances'' what comes with Hürjet will be modern avionics + AESA radar + wvR missiles+ BVR missiles + almost all Turkish Air to ground ammunitions.... HGK+KGK+minature bomb + even possibly SOM J + ÇAKIR+ KUZGUN.... in export markets HÜRJET is an attractive plane yet a full package HÜRJET is a flash royal in it's class. sometimes it is not just the plane but what comes with it....
and yes ENGINE
shut up and ı forgot to add TRG 230 we will use it on our future AC so what are you planing to arm it with stones and sticks?Damn be realistic man we are talking about a light attack aircraft please make some sense
Why don't we strap some ottoman cannons for good measure. Weight is not a problem appearently.shut up and ı forgot to add TRG 230 we will use it on our future AC so what are you planing to arm it with stones and sticks?
Don’t take things personal bro it is late and people may act a bit different in Internet forms… I don’t think anyone has any bad intention. On subject may be instead of a stealth trainer a trainer which may simulate the basics of jet flight and a stealth mission is more economical….and for your young pilots instead of a delicate stealth trainer a kind of work horse and easy to fly trainer is a wiser choice sure this is my opinionReally why do air forces still need a trainer jet since most of forum members decided there is no place for manned aircrafts?
BTW f-35/f-22 without trained pilots aren't factory stealth.
I have met a lot of clever members for 10 years."he who laughs last laughs longest"
Mate, Hürjet is for training pilots before they start flying proper fighters, just as Hürkuş is for people who needs to learn to fly the first time. These planes have to be simple and reliable enough for people to learn to fly, that is their first and foremost purpose. Despite having all the money in the world USAF, for example, still have turboprop trainers (naturally, they are the basic trainers after all) and T-38s and their replacement for T-38 is T-7 which is still an ordinary advanced trainer just like Hürjet.How much does stealth fuselage increase cost of Trainer jet? I am not talking about B2's material, i mean, cost of enter level of low RCS material.
Trainer Jets are to teach the pilot all the avionics and the operation systems of similar systems that is also used in more advanced fighter jets. That's the most important part of them. Your trainer jet doesn't need to be stealthy. Because it would add nothing to it. All the stealth training operations are made with real stealth jets, later on, with more experienced pilots anyways.Then why do fighter pilots train with light jets instead of real fighters in their squadrons?
I am sure next gen jet trainers will be stealth.
You can achieve all of these with a training mode on a modern aircraft. No teacher pilot on board with only the trainee flying means an unmanned trainer. You can ask a newer plane to act as a lesser airplane for training purposes. In today's world where we are just transitioning into a plane making nation we still don't have everything we need at hand but in the future when we have Kaan in inventory or when we have Hürjet in LCA version we can possibly do training on the final aircraft rather than on a separate trainer. Smaller planes will probably become products to use for users who can not afford full capability planes.The next step would be to make a trainer jet unmanned.
We already do training on "final" aircraft. That's what F-16Ds are mostly used for.You can achieve all of these with a training mode on a modern aircraft. No teacher pilot on board with only the trainee flying means an unmanned trainer. You can ask a newer plane to act as a lesser airplane for training purposes. In today's world where we are just transitioning into a plane making nation we still don't have everything we need at hand but in the future when we have Kaan in inventory or when we have Hürjet in LCA version we can possibly do training on the final aircraft rather than on a separate trainer. Smaller planes will probably become products to use for users who can not afford full capability planes.
I am talking about a highly automated plane training the trainee, like when Kaan can fly itself it can fly the trainee alone, eliminating the need for a separate jet trainer.We already do training on "final" aircraft. That's what F-16Ds are mostly used for.
Please have a read on initial training made on simple Cessnas, basic training done on KT-1s, advanced training done on simple configuration advanced trainers, LIFT training done on complex configuration advanced trainers like the Hürjet, and the conversion training done on usually two seat fighter aircraft like F-16Ds. As new generation aircraft usually don't have two seat versions, air forces now want the LIFT trainers to be as much as possibly closer to "final" aircraft. That's why we can talk about turning advanced trainers to fighter aircraft or LCAs, because they are already much closer to fighter aircraft than their brethren were in the last 30-40 years. This is not only about performance but also much more about avionics.
To be honest, i didn't know we had a lot of aviation enginers, otherwise noone could have made sharp different assumptions.
You yourself acknowleged , the stealth fighters have different geometry and shape which change the characteristics of flight.
How could tolerate -twin engined huge bird such as KAAN -mistakes of freshmen?
On the other , stealth trainer jet will enable you produce next gen stealth light fighter/attack jet! ( Hürjet project)
Even you could use this platform unmanned/ semi autonomous.
Regarding cost, there are different level of stealthiness. B2, F-22 and f-35 have different materials.
I am talking about a highly automated plane training the trainee, like when Kaan can fly itself it can fly the trainee alone, eliminating the need for a separate jet trainer.
That saves you from developing or buying separate planes for training. Combined with the fact that simulators can play a big role in training and the fact that national planes comes cheaper than imported ones when they are made in big numbers. And planes having smarts to not put the plane in dangerous situations I am saying why not. This can shorten the time required for pilot training by a lot.You simply don't train newbies with stealth aircraft because the 2 most important parts of stealth jets are their coating and engines, those 2 costs so much to operate.
Whether you learn the avionics and control systems of F35 in a Trainer Jet or in a simulation or actually in F35 makes no difference, it's all about cost effectiveness.
You are asking to train a person who learns how to drive a car in a 1000hp car instead of starting with something small and less powerful.
Not with the flighthours training squadrons incur over time. They start sorties in early morning, fly until 4-5. spend a day close to Çiğli, you'll see at least 50-70 sorties a day every weekday, KT-1s and T-38s. Combat squadrons don't make one third of the sorties training squadrons make. No wonder 121's mascot is a bee, they are truly like working bees. If we ran the combat aircraft with similar sortie numbers, they'd reach their airframe limits within a few years.That saves you from developing or buying separate planes for training. Combined with the fact that simulators can play a big role in training and the fact that national planes comes cheaper than imported ones when they are made in big numbers. And planes having smarts to not put the plane in dangerous situations I am saying why not. This can shorten the time required for pilot training by a lot.