TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[boredaf]

The ideal solution would be a low-cost, naval stealth aircraft. The Hürjet M should be 20–30% larger, with significant design revisions incorporating stealth features, drawing on elements from the TAI KAAN. With two F-404 engines, it would have sufficient thrust to carry more payload while remaining agile and fast. A small internal weapons bay capable of carrying 2–3 air-to-air missiles (AAMs) would allow it to serve alongside Kızılelma as a stealthy interceptor. In essence, this revised Hürjet would resemble an enhanced F/A-18 Hornet, but with better stealth characteristics and modern systems.

The aircraft you're describing has absolutely nothing to do with Hürjet, you're talking about a completely new aircraft. At that point, we'd be far better off with starting with Kaan's design instead of Hürjet and making a smaller, single engine Kaan for the navy.

And as it is, with minimal changes, Hürjet is a shitty choice for an aircraft carrier that we expect to have in 10-15 years. It is already behind the times, by the time it is on the carrier, it'll be completely obsolete and nothing but an embarrassment and potential missile fodder.

It's a bloody trainer, its inherent weakness come from the fact that it is a trainer. As long as you're basing something on it, that version (whether it is light attack or naval) will share those weaknesses.

 

[Huelague]

is already behind the times, by the time it is on the carrier, it'll be completely obsolete and nothing but an embarrassment and potential missile fodder.

Obsolete and behind the times, like 60-70% of all our weapon systems, including F-16. And we try more to buy.
Dont be so unkind, huh.

 

[boredaf]

Obsolete and behind the times, like 60-70% of all our weapon systems, including F-16. And we try more to buy.
Dont be so unkind, huh.

First, I said it'll be obsolete by the time we will have the carrier, not right now. US keeps building 100+ F-35s a year, radar and missile tech keeps improving, more and more countries testing stealth fighter drones like KE and on top of all that, 6th gen is either already being designed or prototyped. So, yes, I'd argue by the time a naval Hürjet might be seen on our carrier, it'll be obsolete.

Second, comparing Hürjet with F-16 Block 70 is ridiculous. Hürjet, as a fighter jet, is virtually half the jet F-16 is. And we are not planning to put those on a carrier in 2040s.

And last, I'm not being "unkind", I'm being realistic about what Hürjet is, a fantastic trainer, a good light attack jet for countries that doesn't need to drop really heavy munitions and a terrible naval jet for 2040s.

 

[uçuyorum]

So we should make TF/A - 18 A/B? Naval hürjet should just be a stepping stone for something better that will come later.

 

[dBSPL]

Since Germany lifted their opposition to the supply of Typhoon jets, the EJ200 engines can be produced in house by Kale/RR for 40 planes(80+ engines) and 90 Hurjets (100 engines).
On top of these if we export Hurjets and go for another squadron of Typhoons there could be an optional quantity of some 70-80 engines. That is a total of 260+ engines.
A reasonable price point can be achieved for the single use of EJ200 when you add approximately 50 more navalised engines needed for the Hurjet Naval too.

The maximum armament capacity of the Gripen C/D with the F404 engine variant RM-12 is 11700lb/5300kg.

Although the maximum ammunition capacity of Gripen E/F with the F414 variant (RM-16) is not specifically stated which pylon can carry how much, it is reported that the total payload capacity has been increased to 7200kg.

The Gripen Maritime, another variant marketed internationally by Sweden, is apparently ready for production in case of demand, and the engine configuration offered with this model is the GE 414G reconfigured as fully marinized. Both engines have a maximum sea level speed of 1.2/1.4 mach.

The reason why I keep giving this Gripen example: The F404 engine configuration of this aircraft is a concrete example of the fact that the Hürjet will continue to make progress in total lift capacity, and the other issue is that it is a good example to see what the gap would be if an engine option with the same diameter standard but with a maximum wet thrust of up to 100kN is gained, like Gripen E/F.

A supersonic navalized combat jet capable of STOVL operation, capable of lifting 5-6 tons of ammunition meet most of the operational requirements needed in the first place to form our naval fighter aviation. The Mig-29K, widely used in the Eastern bloc, has a maximum payload of under 10,000lb/4500kg. The Mig29K has a sea level top speed of 1.2 mach and a combat radius of 460 nmi, but it is worth taking this data with a pinch of salt.

Until just two years ago, Eurasianist friends were praising the Mig-29K and Atlanticist friends were praising the Gripen E on social media. It is sad to see the same friends not giving the necessary support to the Hürjet N.

If the Eurojet can somehow be redirected to a navalized EJ-2xx, which, -as I have argued before we can finance under the condition of under license production-, this will not only provide a great deal of flexibility to the Hürjet program, but will also make it one of the most attractive options for small and medium-sized air forces.