TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[I_Love_F16]

Just look at the current difficulties between France and Germany regarding the sixth-generation fighter project.

France is definitely capable of developing it on it’s own. I highly think that this is what will happen. Basically a Rafale 2.0. Let’s wait and see.

 

[King_West]

France is definitely capable of developing it on it’s own. I highly think that this is what will happen. Basically a Rafale 2.0. Let’s wait and see.

Possible, but funding for this project remains an issue for now. Thats why they needed the Germans as far as Im aware. And the Germans had the money but not the tech.

 

[Huelague]

None of these countries are truly self-sufficient. Just look at the current difficulties between France and Germany regarding the sixth-generation fighter project. All of the countries mentioned rely on cooperation to varying degrees. There are plenty of examples, including Japan, which has increasingly pursued international partnerships in defense technology. And they certainly don’t do this out of affection for one another, but because the complexity, costs, and strategic risks of modern defense projects make cooperation unavoidable.


A good illustration of this is the GCAP (Global Combat Air Programme) involving the UK, Italy, and Japan. Similarly, South Korea has worked closely with the US and other partners in the development of advanced systems, while France, despite its ambitions for strategic autonomy, often depends on European partners for large-scale projects. The UK has also historically shared development and production responsibilities with allies, from joint missile systems with France to aircraft cooperation with the US.


As for Taiwan—how could it possibly be considered self-sufficient? While it does produce certain defense systems domestically, such as missiles and naval platforms, it remains heavily dependent on the United States for advanced fighter aircraft, missile defense systems, and critical technologies. Without external support, Taiwan would not be able to maintain a credible defense posture against the threats it faces.

Absolutely wrong comparison. Countries like Japan or Germany are self-sufficient, if they really wants them. But they are more interested in cooperation in the spirit of European Union and of course of some financial benefits. Maybe some other countries have some better military stuffs, but good enough for self-sufficiency.

They only lack on row materials.

 

[Strong AI]

Hürjet completed 300th test flight

 

[Sanchez]

Hürjet completed 300th test flight

Nice bit of detail.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Stunning aircraft!

 

[hugh]

is there a timeline provided for the next Hürjet's rollout?

 

[Sanchez]

Make that 301. Look at her move.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1976998529718702119

 

[Saithan]

I will sleep better when I know production and deliveries are being done to TSK

 

[Zafer]

Brute force is what keeps the plane flying at such a high bank angle, as the wings create little lift against gravity speed saves the day by multiplying what little lift there is. You can see how the plane shoots up due to high speed. Doing this close to ground is not forgiving either. So it is a high risk stunt as a show of trust to the plane's abilities. Don't try at home.

 

[boredaf]

An overdue update on Hürjet prospects

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What is your source for US Hürjet possibility? Poland already operates KAI T-50, why would they buy Hürjet, has there been any news about that? Italy has M346 and ordered new ones just a year ago. Colombia and Brazil was quoted as interested in M346 nothing about Hürjet (but possible I guess), Peru recently ordered Gripen. Algeria operates Russian aircraft and has Russian made trainers, they got some deliveries either earlier this year or last year.

 

[Spitfire9]

What is your source for US Hürjet possibility? Poland already operates KAI T-50, why would they buy Hürjet, has there been any news about that? Italy has M346 and ordered new ones just a year ago. Colombia and Brazil was quoted as interested in M346 nothing about Hürjet (but possible I guess), Peru recently ordered Gripen. Algeria operates Russian aircraft and has Russian made trainers, they got some deliveries either earlier this year or last year.

US has the supersonic T-7 on order. Why would it have any interest in Hurjet?

Brazil has a funding problem and is now acutely short of military jets. I hear that FAB has 10 Gripen E, 3 operational AMX and about a dozen operational F-5. Because of the funding problem it looked at cheaper aircraft than Gripen E, in particular used F-16 but without success. It may be interested in HAL Tejas Mk1A (if HAL can deliver). I have seen no reference in Brazilian media to FAB being interested in Hurjet.

 

[Yasar_TR]

US has the supersonic T-7 on order. Why would it have any interest in Hurjet?

Brazil has a funding problem and is now acutely short of military jets. I hear that FAB has 10 Gripen E, 3 operational AMX and about a dozen operational F-5. Because of the funding problem it looked at cheaper aircraft than Gripen E, in particular used F-16 but without success. It may be interested in HAL Tejas Mk1A (if HAL can deliver). I have seen no reference in Brazilian media to FAB being interested in Hurjet.

T7 RedHawks, initially designed to be supersonic (1.3 Mach). But now slated as a 0.975 Mach subsonic trainer.
It has a GEF404 engine on it to carry it to supersonic speeds. But it still has not yet materialised as one.
It may have something to do with high g training it is supposed to give??

The T-7A is a trainer, not a fighter. Its primary purpose is to prepare pilots for modern fighter jets, and its design prioritizes advanced avionics, simulators, and high-G maneuverability over raw speed.

Believe it if you will!!

It looks like too many technical issues about sources supplying parts and technical problems being encountered in avionics and ejection seat etc etc.

Too many cooks spoil the broth.

Both Saab and Boeing trying to put their stamp on it causing delays??? . IOC not expected until post 2027.

 

[Spitfire9]

T7 RedHawks, initially designed to be supersonic (1.3 Mach). But now slated as a 0.975 Mach subsonic trainer.
It has a GEF404 engine on it to carry it to supersonic speeds. But it still has not yet materialised as one.
It may have something to do with high g training it is supposed to give??

The T-7A is a trainer, not a fighter. Its primary purpose is to prepare pilots for modern fighter jets, and its design prioritizes advanced avionics, simulators, and high-G maneuverability over raw speed.

Believe it if you will!!

It looks like too many technical issues about sources supplying parts and technical problems being encountered in avionics and ejection seat etc etc.

Too many cooks spoil the broth.

Both Saab and Boeing trying to put their stamp on it causing delays??? . IOC not expected until post 2027.

I find it surprising that Tejas Mk1A is reported to be capable of mach 1.8. Gripen C mach 2.0 yet T-7 only mach 0.975 since they all use variants of the F404 engine. All numbers from Wiki. I have read that Gripen has particularly good aerodynamics but T-7 p/w ratio and aerodynamics limiting it to subsonic speed? I don't see it. No specialist me but perhaps supersonic drag is so high with T-7 that a mach 1+ speed was abandoned for training purposes.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I find it surprising that Tejas Mk1A is reported to be capable of mach 1.8. Gripen C mach 2.0 yet T-7 only mach 0.975 since they all use variants of the F404 engine. All numbers from Wiki. I have read that Gripen has particularly good aerodynamics but T-7 p/w ratio and aerodynamics limiting it to subsonic speed? I don't see it. No specialist me but perhaps supersonic drag is so high with T-7 that a mach 1+ speed was abandoned for training purposes.

A fighter jet is as good as the airframe design it has. Gripen airframe is really good. Akaer of Brazil has been quite instrumental and key partner in the design of Gripen.
They were also involved in Hürjet’s airframe.

Engine is important. But the supersonic flight, especially as the plane transitions from subsonic to low supersonic, introduces such forces and shock waves on the airframe that a good and forgiving design is a must. Otherwise a powerful engine will cause imbalance, excessive drag, loss of control and may result in catastrophic structural failure.

Check out the transonic and supersonic sound wave animations below.:

Shock Waves – The Physics Hypertextbook

When an object travels faster than the speed of sound in a medium, a cone shaped region of high pressure called a shock wave trails behind it.

physics.info

 

[Saithan]

Spanish gov’t approves purchase of Türkiye’s Hürjet aircraft - Türkiye News

The Spanish government has approved the purchase of Türkiye’s first domestically produced jet trainer and light attack aircraft, the Hürjet, developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TUSAŞ).

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

This is pretty sure impressive. 45 for Spain, but I wonder if we can get the engines.

 

[Ripley]

Spanish gov’t approves purchase of Türkiye’s Hürjet aircraft - Türkiye News

The Spanish government has approved the purchase of Türkiye’s first domestically produced jet trainer and light attack aircraft, the Hürjet, developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TUSAŞ).

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

This is pretty sure impressive. 45 for Spain, but I wonder if we can get the engines.

For Spain, no problem.
Even, for us shouldn’t be a big problem though since they’re just training aircraft.

 

[Strong AI]

but I wonder if we can get the engines.

TEI Chairman Fahrettin Öztürk announced:

HÜRJET engine approval officially received
In his statement on the matter, Fahrettin Öztürk stated, "We had submitted engine permit requests to the US Congress for both the HÜRJET and the KAAN. We have received our engine permit for the HÜRJET, and it has been completed. As you know, that is the F404 engine," confirming that a significant obstacle has been overcome for the mass production phase of the project.

This development eliminates the uncertainty surrounding the integration and mass production of General Electric's F404 turbofan engines onto the HÜRJET platform.

Process continues for the KAAN project
It was emphasized that the process for the KAAN, a fifth-generation fighter jet project intended to be Türkiye's most strategic asset in the skies, is being closely monitored.

Öztürk stated that the Congressional approval process for the engines to be used in the mass production models of KAAN, which performed its prototype flights with General Electric F110 engines, also used in F-16s, is ongoing, and emphasized that the outlook is not pessimistic.

HÜRJET’in motorları onaylandı, KAAN’da “reddedilme yok”

Türk savunma sanayiinin en iddialı projelerinden HÜRJET ve KAAN'a güç verecek motorların tedarik sürecine ilişkin kritik bilgiler, sektörün üst düzey bir isminden geldi.

gdh.digital

In this case, we will be able to see the Hürjet, Kızılelma and Anka 3 in the inventory in the coming years. He says that Kaan's engine is not a negative situation for the F110, the process is continuing ...