Morocco is aiming for a layered air defence structure in the kingdom. Morocco has way better Air defence systems then Ukraina with their Tor/ S300. Ukraina is actually using their stingers, and s300 quite effectivly but cant compare it with the systems morocco are operating. Why would it be more expensive for morocco to spread?
Unless morocco bomb all the oil fields.
Yeah i do agree with everything you said. Keep in mind that the Atlas mountain in the east is a terrain that is very close to the terrain of turkey. Its the a big fortresss against any invasion. When it comes to the south morocco have already stationed thousand of troops along the 2500 km famous sand wall, with the biggest minefield in the world. @Chakib larbi mentioned that the algerian navy would perhaps flank behind the mountain in north east, but i guess that would be sucide? Does the algerian navy even have the capability, and training for a naval to land invasion
I could see Algerian TBMs are best used against fixed target (oil storage, radar stations) but it will be hard to ground the RMAF which will likely continue flying. At least that's the case in Ukraine.
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don't be so sure. We're looking at pairs of highly capable HARMs
That is for @Knowledgeseeker to explain, if Morocco is planning to have such capability. I mean if it was me, I'd have the RMAF stock more AGM-88s or JDAM or even this.
Let me put it this way. The Iskander as a payload delivery vehicle delivers a 500kg explosive 300km away. A single F-16 could carry 4x as much and even further deep into enemy territory.
I could see Algerian TBMs are best used against fixed target (oil storage, radar stations) but it will be hard to ground the RMAF which will likely continue flying. At least that's the case in Ukraine.
Morocco right now are kinda defenseless against TBMs, so they'll have to be patient until PAC-3 arrives.
US Confirms Sale Of PATRIOT Air Defense Systems To Morocco - MilitaryLeak.COM
The U.S. International Trade Administration (ITA) confirmed the sale of PATRIOT Air Defense systems and G550 reconnaissance aircraft to Morocco. It is part of
As for CMs, the Sky Dragon 50 are capable of such. In general, Moroccan air defense will be interesting to see post 2025 period with influx of newly ordered SAM system
don't be so sure. We're looking at pairs of highly capable HARMs
It all comes down if RMAF or AAF could outdo each other which until proven in battle, at best we're playing a guessing game on which one is better. But the RMAF does have a more sophisticated jet. It will interesting how fast each other could reach air superiority or stuck into air parity between themselves. I'm more into both getting into stalemate (air parity).
That is for @Knowledgeseeker to explain, if Morocco is planning to have such capability. I mean if it was me, I'd have the RMAF stock more AGM-88s or JDAM or even this.
AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon - Wikipedia
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I'm not so much into ballistic missile, but more into airstrikes. Fighter jets are proven to be capable to conduct deep strikes even against heavily defended airspace.
X axis - days of war.
More value on battlefield. Cruise and ballistic missiles are only good to destroy infrastructures (and thats in case they are accurate enough).
It is not specified in the media but most likely! The news about the satcom capability came before Moroccan ordered the drone. Morocco does have if I'm not mistaken 2-4 communication satellites. Thank you for asking you reminded me about the moroccan surveilance satelittes. @Chakib larbi Does algeria have any surveillance/ spy satelittes?
Algeria for sure will not use iskander to hit the Moroccan Abrams ...It is clearly intended to strike the Moroccan military installations/Fortifications/air defense radars/artillery positions/runways/....etc that are located near the borders of Algeria which most of them are located within the limits of 200 km from the Algerian border...So there is no need to compare Iskander with Jdam, because every one of them has a different operational role..and Algeria also possesses its guided air munitions Including standoff ALCM missile Which can hit Moroccan sites without entering the range of the F-16 and the range of Moroccan defenses .....as for the scenario of war the real battlefield will not be in the North, but rather in the South In the heart of the disputed zone and Where most of the Moroccan military installations are located...I could see Algerian TBMs are best used against fixed target (oil storage, radar stations) but it will be hard to ground the RMAF which will likely continue flying. At least that's the case in Ukraine.
Morocco right now are kinda defenseless against TBMs, so they'll have to be patient until PAC-3 arrives.
US Confirms Sale Of PATRIOT Air Defense Systems To Morocco - MilitaryLeak.COM
The U.S. International Trade Administration (ITA) confirmed the sale of PATRIOT Air Defense systems and G550 reconnaissance aircraft to Morocco. It is part of
As for CMs, the Sky Dragon 50 are capable of such. In general, Moroccan air defense will be interesting to see post 2025 period with influx of newly ordered SAM system
don't be so sure. We're looking at pairs of highly capable HARMs
It all comes down if RMAF or AAF could outdo each other which until proven in battle, at best we're playing a guessing game on which one is better. But the RMAF does have a more sophisticated jet. It will interesting how fast each other could reach air superiority or stuck into air parity between themselves. I'm more into both getting into stalemate (air parity).
That is for @Knowledgeseeker to explain, if Morocco is planning to have such capability. I mean if it was me, I'd have the RMAF stock more AGM-88s or JDAM or even this.
AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon - Wikipedia
I'm not so much into ballistic missile, but more into airstrikes. Fighter jets are proven to be capable to conduct deep strikes even against heavily defended airspace.
You are happy for the Goniolight system with a simple VECTOR-21binocular ...Unfortunately there is no laser disgnator in this photo only Goniolight with vector 21 for observation purpose and Measure target coordinates..You make alot of empty claims out there. I realised you often make claims that algeria is more superior, but no worries im here to debunk this claims.
You mentioned the different artillery of algeria, but i will like to help you a little with stating how many pieces algeria have, and the range of this artillery pieces.
- Self propelled artillery PLZ-45 155M: Both GP, and krasnopol m2 have aproximentaly 25 km in fire range. Algeria have 54 pieces.
- Modernized akatsiya 1522S3M1 mm: Between 18-25 km in fire range. Algeria have 30 pieces.
- 140 2S1T Goździk: Between 18-25 km in fire range. Algeria have 140 pieces
Total: 224 artillery pieces.
Now back to Morocco
First of all i want go back to the same claim when i made the post comparing the training, doctorine, and structure between morocco and Algeria. Morococ has been training close with the US in all fields including Artillery skills! Lets hear what the americans say about our skills within artilllery firing.
Capt. Justin T. Kratzer, commander of India Battery, 3rd Battalion, 14th Marine Regiment, said he was impressed with the abilities the Moroccans showcased and said their capabilities had grown vastly since his last participation in African Lion four years ago.“The digital gear that they are using allows them to check where rounds hit for more accuracy. They are very proficient, they have been putting accurate rounds on target, they just do it a little bit different than we do.” ( 2015)
First Sgt. Kurt Douglas said the soldiers of the 15th Royal Artillery Group performed like consummate professionals, making it seem like they have been firing the M109A1, A2 and A3 systems for decades when firing with the m109A5 back in 2012.
Maj. Tyrone Martin, executive officer, 1st Bn.,They approach field artillery much like we do, with the same doctrine and concepts in equipment, however their experiences and strategic objectives allow them to see the same event differently."
Morocco with the M109, and Caesar is the best in africa in terms of quality, and quantity together with Egypt.
- 360 M109 ( Most of M109A2, and m109A5, aswell as a undiclosed figure of M109A6. Possible that modernisation is taking place as instead of new artillery pieces through the Erca program/ Source US millitary handbook 2021-2022 ).
- 36 CAESAR 6x6 artillery pieces. ( On order)
The CAESAR will have around 40 km range with its guided shells. Modern ammunitions will make the m109 be able to shoot with guided shells as ranges of either 20-40- 60 km!
Morocco are much more superior when it comes to artillery in both quantity , and quality aswell as having acquired two uav systems to guide Artillery fire & surveillance. The recent acquisition of artillery UAV's shows that the MAF staff is applying feedback from other theaters of war, and making a strategic watch on new successfull tactics and modern methods of warfare, especially in artillery field. The azerbajanis used drones to find targets, and artillery firing with precision. We also see ukraina use the same tactics where tb2 designate the target for the ukrainan artillery.
Some footage of the m109 of the moroccan armed forces.
@AlphaMike Perhaps you should reconsider giving the algerian army the upper hand between the land forces?
Funny how you turned a blind eye to the hole post, but focused on only «one» photo i attached. You really losing your credibility now!You are happy for the Goniolight system with a simple VECTOR-21binocular ...Unfortunately there is no laser disgnator in this photo only Goniolight with vector 21 for observation purpose and Measure target coordinates..
this is how a Goniolight looks like with JIM LR therma Binoculars and laser disgnator
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by the way russian Malakhit AAFCS and System Panzergrenadier of algerian army say hallo to the morrocan land forces
Ok Ok just hold on ...You make alot of empty claims out there. I realised you often make claims that algeria is more superior, but no worries im here to debunk this claims.
You mentioned the different artillery of algeria, but i will like to help you a little with stating how many pieces algeria have, and the range of this artillery pieces.
- Self propelled artillery PLZ-45 155M: Both GP, and krasnopol m2 have aproximentaly 25 km in fire range. Algeria have 54 pieces.
- Modernized akatsiya 1522S3M1 mm: Between 18-25 km in fire range. Algeria have 30 pieces.
- 140 2S1T Goździk: Between 18-25 km in fire range. Algeria have 140 pieces
Total: 224 artillery pieces.
Now back to Morocco
First of all i want go back to the same claim when i made the post comparing the training, doctorine, and structure between morocco and Algeria. Morococ has been training close with the US in all fields including Artillery skills! Lets hear what the americans say about our skills within artilllery firing.
Capt. Justin T. Kratzer, commander of India Battery, 3rd Battalion, 14th Marine Regiment, said he was impressed with the abilities the Moroccans showcased and said their capabilities had grown vastly since his last participation in African Lion four years ago.“The digital gear that they are using allows them to check where rounds hit for more accuracy. They are very proficient, they have been putting accurate rounds on target, they just do it a little bit different than we do.” ( 2015)
First Sgt. Kurt Douglas said the soldiers of the 15th Royal Artillery Group performed like consummate professionals, making it seem like they have been firing the M109A1, A2 and A3 systems for decades when firing with the m109A5 back in 2012.
Maj. Tyrone Martin, executive officer, 1st Bn.,They approach field artillery much like we do, with the same doctrine and concepts in equipment, however their experiences and strategic objectives allow them to see the same event differently."
Morocco with the M109, and Caesar is the best in africa in terms of quality, and quantity together with Egypt.
- 360 M109 ( Most of M109A2, and m109A5, aswell as a undiclosed figure of M109A6. Possible that modernisation is taking place as instead of new artillery pieces through the Erca program/ Source US millitary handbook 2021-2022 ).
- 36 CAESAR 6x6 artillery pieces. ( On order)
The CAESAR will have around 40 km range with its guided shells. Modern ammunitions will make the m109 be able to shoot with guided shells as ranges of either 20-40- 60 km!
Morocco are much more superior when it comes to artillery in both quantity , and quality aswell as having acquired two uav systems to guide Artillery fire & surveillance. The recent acquisition of artillery UAV's shows that the MAF staff is applying feedback from other theaters of war, and making a strategic watch on new successfull tactics and modern methods of warfare, especially in artillery field. The azerbajanis used drones to find targets, and artillery firing with precision. We also see ukraina use the same tactics where tb2 designate the target for the ukrainan artillery.
Some footage of the m109 of the moroccan armed forces.
@AlphaMike Perhaps you should reconsider giving the algerian army the upper hand between the land forces?
