India India - Canada Relations

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Hello CallSignMaverick. I will not get into the weeds with you or denegrate this Forum or it's members as I realize that is what you want rather than sensibly discussing the issue. Cheers!

MSN

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

MSN

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Hello CallSignMaverick. I will not get into the weeds with you or denegrate this Forum or it's members as I realize that is what you want rather than sensibly discussing the issue. Cheers!

MSN

You don't have anything to argue

 

[Gessler]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704141271185707056

 

[TTCUSM]

And what will canada do if it gets angry? Threaten war with a nuclear power like India?

Wow, has India already given up on "soft power"? Surely the condemnation of Canada should matter to country like India, which talks about non-alignment, human rights, etc.

 

[Nilgiri]

LoL what? He was an Indian citizen provided shelter by canada illegally by faking his passport.

Better, fairer elements of Canadian society are now calling out lot of underlying details like this one you mention:

Nijjar was a leading Khalistani separatist who had fervently opposed the reconciliation effort, which had continued under the radar. He was wanted in India for years on several charges related to terrorism. It is not certain how Nijjar eventually obtained Canadian citizenship. Citing privacy concerns, Immigration and Citizenship Canada won’t say. Nijjar was twice rejected in his applications for refugee status in Canada, in 1997 and 2001.

Read the whole article here (there are bunch of details mentioned that may interest you and others):

Terry Glavin: After Trudeau alleges murder plot, Canada-India relations may be irreparable

Who are these 'credible allegations' coming from?

nationalpost.com

Hope you bring more Indian members here to this forum as well for better setting to discuss things objectively compared to where they are now.

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

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You don't have anything to argue except being a terror apologist.

I never argue, however I discuss all things Canadian as is my right to do in a free and democratic society such as Canada as you could also do if you were free to do so. Freedom is never free even if you were lucky enough to be born here. I am so appreciative for the rights I have here. Can you truthfully say the same?

 

[CallSignMaverick]

I never argue, however I discuss all things Canadian as is my right to do in a free and democratic society such as Canada as you could also do if you were free to do so.

We all saw how freedom is preserved in that pseudocracy during trruckers protest and the human rights abuses the protestors faced from a fascist regime.

Otoh India has provided us with much better FoE and FoS than one can imagine in that fascist land.

Freedom is never free even if you were lucky enough to be born here.

I'm lucky to not be born in that irrelevant nation which harbours terrorists and extremists and violates to the rights of protestors to peacefully protest.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704075385699258542

I am so appreciative for the rights I have here. Can you truthfully say the same?

Tell that to these chaps

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Hello to all Forum members. I have deleted all of my responces to the Canadian Hardden Singh Nijjar issue as it seems to have caused angry attitudes with some members that were not intended. Perhaps other will do the same to tone down the responces. The anger expressed by some, seems to have touched a chord. I was under the impression that this was a forum to freely express opinions; to be critisized yes, but the answers I have received have gone too far. Perhaps another topic on other issues is the way to go. Cheers!

 

[Marlii]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704120337695400236

Atleast we got this gem

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704120337695400236

Atleast we got this gem

I will not respond with another rant. Not the proper thing to do.

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704120337695400236

Atleast we got this gem

I will not respond with another rant. Not the proper thing to do. Let it go gents!

"We Have Done So Much, With So Little, For So Long, That Now, We Are Re

 

[Afif]

@DAVEBLOGGINS You should be able to express your opinion freely. We don’t have many Canadians here. if you do not engage, we probably won’t know what is the Canadian perspective on this. So, do not let others stop you.

And if you feel insulted or attacked you can always use the report button.

 

[Afif]

Hardeep Singh Nijjar: Why Western nations fear India-Canada row​

By James Landale
BBC diplomatic correspondent, New York

Western ministers and officials will be working hard to try to ensure the diplomatic row between Canada and India does not bleed into other international relationships.

The last thing the United States and other western powers want now is a row that divides them from India.
On the grand geopolitical chess board, India is a key player.
Not only is it a growing power - the most populous country in the world, the fifth-biggest economy. But it is also seen by the West as a potential bulwark against China.
This was apparent at the recent G20 meeting in India when Ukraine's Western allies agreed a final communique which did not condemn Russia by name for its invasion.


They chose to protect their relationship with India by avoiding a row over the statement, a choice which angered some in Kyiv.

The other fear among Western diplomats will be the risk that countries start taking sides in the Canada-India dispute.
Tensions between the two nations deepened considerably this week when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused India of being behind the assassination of a Sikh activist in western Canada in June.

In recent months India has been trying to pitch itself as the leader of developing countries - sometimes called the Global South. Many of these countries have refused to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
The US and some European countries have been making real diplomatic efforts to win over these countries, telling them the war matters to them and their economy.
Diplomats will not want this row to upset those efforts if it is somehow spun as a North v South battle between two Commonwealth countries, a confrontation between a transatlantic power and a developing nation.


Canada's foreign ministry said Mr Trudeau had raised the issue with US President Joe Biden and British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.

For now Canada's allies are staying loyal but cautious.
The White House said the US was "deeply concerned" about the allegations of the murder, saying it was "critical that Canada's investigation proceed and the perpetrators be brought to justice".
For countries like the UK and Australia, which both have large Sikh communities, there is always the potential for a diplomatic row like this to have domestic political consequences.
UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said Britain would "listen very, very carefully to the serious concerns that have been raised by Canada".
He told the BBC he had spoken to Canadian Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly about the allegations on Monday, and the UK took "very seriously the things that Canada are saying".
He refused to say if Britain would suspend trade talks with India - but said the UK would wait until the Canadian investigation was complete before deciding what further action to take.

"Both Canada and India are close friends of the UK, they're Commonwealth partners," Mr Cleverly said.
A spokesperson for Australia's foreign ministry said Canberra was "deeply concerned' by the allegations, and had "conveyed our concerns at senior levels in India".
So for now, the West will wait and watch as the investigation progresses.

Some allies may be given access to what Canadian intelligence knows. What would change the situation is if firm proof was established.
If that happened, Western powers would have to make a choice between backing Ottawa or New Delhi, a choice between supporting the principle of the rule of law or the hard necessity of realpolitik.
In the past, Western nations have condemned alleged extraterritorial assassinations carried out by countries such as Russia or Iran or Saudi Arabia.
They will not want India to join that list.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar: Why Western nations fear India-Canada row

India is the fifth largest economy and is seen by the West as a key partner against China.

www.bbc.com

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Hardeep Singh Nijjar: Why Western nations fear India-Canada row​

By James Landale
BBC diplomatic correspondent, New York

Western ministers and officials will be working hard to try to ensure the diplomatic row between Canada and India does not bleed into other international relationships.

The last thing the United States and other western powers want now is a row that divides them from India.
On the grand geopolitical chess board, India is a key player.
Not only is it a growing power - the most populous country in the world, the fifth-biggest economy. But it is also seen by the West as a potential bulwark against China.
This was apparent at the recent G20 meeting in India when Ukraine's Western allies agreed a final communique which did not condemn Russia by name for its invasion.


They chose to protect their relationship with India by avoiding a row over the statement, a choice which angered some in Kyiv.

The other fear among Western diplomats will be the risk that countries start taking sides in the Canada-India dispute.
Tensions between the two nations deepened considerably this week when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused India of being behind the assassination of a Sikh activist in western Canada in June.

In recent months India has been trying to pitch itself as the leader of developing countries - sometimes called the Global South. Many of these countries have refused to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
The US and some European countries have been making real diplomatic efforts to win over these countries, telling them the war matters to them and their economy.
Diplomats will not want this row to upset those efforts if it is somehow spun as a North v South battle between two Commonwealth countries, a confrontation between a transatlantic power and a developing nation.


Canada's foreign ministry said Mr Trudeau had raised the issue with US President Joe Biden and British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.

For now Canada's allies are staying loyal but cautious.
The White House said the US was "deeply concerned" about the allegations of the murder, saying it was "critical that Canada's investigation proceed and the perpetrators be brought to justice".
For countries like the UK and Australia, which both have large Sikh communities, there is always the potential for a diplomatic row like this to have domestic political consequences.
UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said Britain would "listen very, very carefully to the serious concerns that have been raised by Canada".
He told the BBC he had spoken to Canadian Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly about the allegations on Monday, and the UK took "very seriously the things that Canada are saying".
He refused to say if Britain would suspend trade talks with India - but said the UK would wait until the Canadian investigation was complete before deciding what further action to take.

"Both Canada and India are close friends of the UK, they're Commonwealth partners," Mr Cleverly said.
A spokesperson for Australia's foreign ministry said Canberra was "deeply concerned' by the allegations, and had "conveyed our concerns at senior levels in India".
So for now, the West will wait and watch as the investigation progresses.

Some allies may be given access to what Canadian intelligence knows. What would change the situation is if firm proof was established.
If that happened, Western powers would have to make a choice between backing Ottawa or New Delhi, a choice between supporting the principle of the rule of law or the hard necessity of realpolitik.
In the past, Western nations have condemned alleged extraterritorial assassinations carried out by countries such as Russia or Iran or Saudi Arabia.
They will not want India to join that list.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar: Why Western nations fear India-Canada row

India is the fifth largest economy and is seen by the West as a key partner against China.

www.bbc.com

Thank you Afif for your in-depth appreciation for the "real" issues surounding this row between Canada and India. The BBC report is quite accurate and hopefully will quell most of the hatred and anger coming from "others" in this forum and let diplomacy take its course to get both conutries back on a more positive note. They could both use the help. Yes, let the investigation continue to make this issue more clear down the road and let the chips-fall-where they may but let's not ruin Canada-India relations in the long term. Again thanks for your efforts. Cheers!

 

[Nilgiri]

Refrain from personal attacks/ad-hominem please. Discuss the matter at hand only. Also dont insult countries collectively, focus criticism towards an establishment or specific politicians/policies. Thank you.

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704486644118872242

Heh:

‘Hoping it’s cat fight’ — Indian & Canadian armies hope diplomatic row won’t affect their ties

Canadian deputy army chief Major General Peter Scott is set to visit India next week to attend the Indo-Pacific Army Chiefs' Conference in New Delhi

theprint.in

Canadian deputy army chief Major General Peter Scott is set to visit India next week to attend the Indo-Pacific Army Chiefs' Conference in New Delhi ​

 

[Nilgiri]

Hello to all Forum members. I have deleted all of my responces to the Canadian Hardden Singh Nijjar issue as it seems to have caused angry attitudes with some members that were not intended. Perhaps other will do the same to tone down the responces. The anger expressed by some, seems to have touched a chord. I was under the impression that this was a forum to freely express opinions; to be critisized yes, but the answers I have received have gone too far. Perhaps another topic on other issues is the way to go. Cheers!

It is a forum and this is a heated issue....so the anger and tension is to be expected sometimes.

I will keep a closer eye on things to make sure this thread proceeds under the rules of the forum.

I can only intervene if rules are broken (I edited out ad-hominem directed your way)...and I will keep an eye out (and appreciate any members pointing out such things to help me).

You are always welcome here to contribute your opinion Dave.

It is a heated topic of course (even within the rules) as tempers are high. Little I can do about that (there are many such topics like it in the forum within the rules).

 

[Jackdaws]

The last thing I expected was an India-Canada diplomatic row.
In India, it seems to us that Trudeau is merely catering to his vote bank. If Indian agencies were given a greenlight to carry out a hit, I reckon it is more likely they would have targeted Dawood or Hafiz Saeed in Pak. Would be profoundly stupid to carry out a hit in a Western nation, that too a NATO member with already so much heat on India because of Russian oil.

 

[Afif]

The last thing I expected was an India-Canada diplomatic row.
In India, it seems to us that Trudeau is merely catering to his vote bank. If Indian agencies were given a greenlight to carry out a hit, I reckon it is more likely they would have targeted Dawood or Hafiz Saeed in Pak. Would be profoundly stupid to carry out a hit in a Western nation, that too a NATO member with already so much heat on India because of Russian oil.

Yeah, but there is also a big risk for Trudeau too. If can’t present sufficient evidence it will back fire on him.