India India - Pakistan Relations

[LegionnairE]

Not want to derail the thread and tell yourself whats comforts you.

No no seriously, you think this is indicative of something? I want to hear your analysis. I think it was the same year when India had a border clash with china and some 30-40 chinese soldiers died. Is India a superpower that can beat China now?

We lost a bunch of tanks and IFVs in Al-Bab... does that mean ISIS is more powerful than Turkey?

These tiny skirmishes are inconsqeuntial... We're expecting something major in eastern mediterranean. Thousands may die if it goes badly.

 

[Titanium100]

Something happened in 2019?

2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

you mean this?

tiny little border skirmish, where pakistan lost an F16?

What you on about? Pakistan never lost an F-16.. Pakistan shout down 2 fighter jets from the incompetent Indian airforce.. It was a dog-fight basically....

They tried to bluff Pakistan thinking it wouldn't escalate situation but their bluff was called and got basically subdued.. There was no way in Hell pakistan was backing down even if it turned to Nuclear conflict.. India got a hard lesson that day... That border will remain silent for the next 3-4 decades just from that incident.. This is why I respect the current leadership in Pakistan.... Redlines above everything else

 

[LegionnairE]

What you on about? Pakistan never lost an F-16.. Pakistan shout down 2 fighter jets from the incompetent Indian airforce.. It was a dog-fight basically....

They tried to bluff Pakistan thinking it wouldn't escalate situation but their bluff was called and got basically subdued.. There was no way in Hell pakistan was backing down even if it turned to Nuclear conflict.. India got a hard lesson that day... That border will remain silent for the next 3-4 decades just from that incident.. This is why I respect the current leadership in Pakistan.... Redlines above everything else

I am too lazy to do a comprehensive research on this. These events could be indicative of deeper problems within the Indian military where despite having an edge in equipment, they might be too poorly trained or motivated, might be employing wrong tactics, etc. I don't know.

If there's a conflict between a country of 1.5 billion population and another country with 220 million and only 40-50 people die. In my mind that's not a very significant event. It should be studied and lessons must be learned by both sides involved. But what I said is true, Pakistan lost most engagements. Especially before having nuclear weapons.



And more importantly, you can't apply the same philosophy that is used in Kashmir to Mediterranean. Where Turkey is facing multiple countries who aren't deterred by Turkey's non-existent nuclear arsenal.

 

[Raptor]

What you on about? Pakistan never lost an F-16.. Pakistan shout down 2 fighter jets from the incompetent Indian airforce.. It was a dog-fight basically....

They tried to bluff Pakistan thinking it wouldn't escalate situation but their bluff was called and got basically subdued.. There was no way in Hell pakistan was backing down even if it turned to Nuclear conflict.. India got a hard lesson that day... That border will remain silent for the next 3-4 decades just from that incident.. This is why I respect the current leadership in Pakistan.... Redlines above everything else

Alright,since the talk is about skirmish
There's no credible proof that you guys shot down su30mki of IAF,infact IAF showed the Amraam debris,which was dodged by sukhoi,mig 21 was ofcourse shot down and that's not a big deal.

The r73 missles which your ISPR showed had had 14 digit serial no. which was fake and generated,IAF r73 has 13 digit serial no.,which proves that r73 was fired and f16 was downed.



Come to india-pak thread and you'll get the proof.

 

[Titanium100]

Alright,since the talk is about skirmish
There's no credible proof that you guys shot down su30mki of IAF,infact IAF showed the Amraam debris,which was dodged by sukhoi,mig 21 was ofcourse shot down and that's not a big deal.

The r73 missles which your ISPR showed had had 14 digit serial no. which was fake and generated,IAF r73 has 13 digit serial no.,which proves that r73 was fired and f16 was downed.



Come to india-pak thread and you'll get the proof.

This is embarrasing for you to be honest.. All the F-16 of Pakistan was counted and the US gov't confirmed Pakistan didn't lose a single F-16 in the skirmish. This was a fake claim the Indian media ran with for local consumption there is no evidence. Pakistan took live proof hostage and if Pakistan didn't take the hostage India would have denied and Pakistan shout down two which is also confirmed by independant thinkers

 

[Indos]

Alright,since the talk is about skirmish
There's no credible proof that you guys shot down su30mki of IAF,infact IAF showed the Amraam debris,which was dodged by sukhoi,mig 21 was ofcourse shot down and that's not a big deal.

The r73 missles which your ISPR showed had had 14 digit serial no. which was fake and generated,IAF r73 has 13 digit serial no.,which proves that r73 was fired and f16 was downed.



Come to india-pak thread and you'll get the proof.

Both F 16 Pakistan being shot and Su 30 India being shot are just rubbish since no prove on fuselage or engine debris.

 

[Agha Sher]

Alright,since the talk is about skirmish
There's no credible proof that you guys shot down su30mki of IAF,infact IAF showed the Amraam debris,which was dodged by sukhoi,mig 21 was ofcourse shot down and that's not a big deal.

The r73 missles which your ISPR showed had had 14 digit serial no. which was fake and generated,IAF r73 has 13 digit serial no.,which proves that r73 was fired and f16 was downed.



Come to india-pak thread and you'll get the proof.

Your logic is a joke. So you showed AMRAAM debris meaning that Su-30 dodged. But Pakistan showing R73 debris means that F-16 was downed. Come on, you got schooled in 2019, go back to the drawing board.

 

[Raptor]

Your logic is a joke. So you showed AMRAAM debris meaning that Su-30 dodged. But Pakistan showing R73 debris means that F-16 was downed. Come on, you got schooled in 2019, go back to the drawing boar

What i said was that,the r73 Pakistan showed was fake because of serial numbers being fake,learn to read bud.

This is embarrasing for you to be honest.. All the F-16 of Pakistan was counted and the US gov't confirmed Pakistan didn't lose a single F-16 in the skirmish. This was a fake claim the Indian media ran with for local consumption there is no evidence. Pakistan took live proof hostage and if Pakistan didn't take the hostage India would have denied and Pakistan shout down two which is also confirmed by independant thinkers

What?

Regarding your independent story,most of the articles have "quoted" your POV,that doesn't mean it's true.
Ex-Pakistan "says" it shot down two indian fighters~BBC

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Come to this thread to make further discussion.

 

[Titanium100]

What i said was that,the r73 Pakistan showed was fake because of serial numbers being fake,learn to read bud.



What?
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Regarding your independent story,most of the articles have "quoted" your POV,that doesn't mean it's true.
Ex-Pakistan "says" it shot down two indian fighters~BBC

India - Pakistan Relations

MOD NOTE: India Pakistan relations thread from Indian side. ==================================================================================== The NIA Tuesday filed a charge sheet naming Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar, his brother Abdul Rauf Asghar and 17 others for “carrying...

defencehub.live

Come to this thread to make further discussion.

The US officials did make such claim and I never said Lockhead martin that is just you trying to switch my words... The news is as official as it comes reported by reuters note I never mention LM

U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report​

By Reuters Staff
4 MIN READ

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Pakistan’s F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.

U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report

Pakistan's F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.

www.reuters.com

 

[Raptor]

The US officials did make such claim and I never said Lockhead martin that is just you trying to switch my words... The news is as official as it comes reported by reuters note I never mention LM

U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report​

By Reuters Staff
4 MIN READ

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Pakistan’s F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.

U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report

Pakistan's F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.

www.reuters.com

Source-Foreign policy article quoting Unknown Pentagon officials,yeah much believable source.
When an article quotes "unknown officials" that pretty makes the report baseless.
Truth was f16 was downed and r73 was fired,as shown by dgispr with fake serial numbers.

1st pic is r73 of 14 digit serial number shown by dgispr,second&third pic is of r73 used by IAF having 13 digit

 

[Jackdaws]

New Interview by Karan Thapar - with Pakistani NSA Yousuf again

@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @FalconSlayersDFI @Milspec @Waz @Kaptaan

 

[crixus]

New Interview by Karan Thapar - with Pakistani NSA Yousuf again

@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @FalconSlayersDFI @Milspec @Waz @Kaptaan

How WIRE type d grade news portal get access to some country's NSA for interviews so frequently

 

[Jackdaws]

How WIRE type d grade news portal get access to some country's NSA for interviews so frequently

Why not? Thapar knows how to be an aggressive journalist without being a shrill and jingoistic one.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

How WIRE type d grade news portal get access to some country's NSA for interviews so frequently

Only Dalal outlets like wire can get such interviews because sasta tere naam yusuf knows that the viewership of wire is of leftist anti-nationals.

 

[Jackdaws]

Only Dalal outlets like wire can get such interviews because sasta tere naam yusuf knows that the viewership of wire is of leftist anti-nationals.

I watch The Wire and follow it for real news. Are you suggesting I am an anti-national?

 

[crixus]

Why not? Thapar knows how to be an aggressive journalist without being a shrill and jingoistic one.

Thats not the question who is interviewer , The only question is how Pakistan's NSA is so easily accessible to WIRE or may be he is one who is running and using WIRE

 

[Jackdaws]

Thats not the question who is interviewer , The only question is how Pakistan's NSA is so easily accessible to WIRE or may be he is one who is running and using WIRE

So? How are so many Pakistani including ex military guys accessible to Republic TV?

 

[crixus]

So? How are so many Pakistani including ex military guys accessible to Republic TV?

I dont watch that might have reacted in same way ..but you know how media is used for propaganda and there is a day and night difference between retried and serving and an army officer and NSA .
God knows may be WIRE is literally run by IB and that NSA get hooked by the bates , but its unprecedented to have such access to NSA either he is just dummy or too naive

 

[Jackdaws]

I dont watch that might have reacted in same way ..but you know how media is used for propaganda and there is a day and night difference between retried and serving and an army officer and NSA .
God knows may be WIRE is literally run by IB and that NSA get hooked by the bates , but its unprecedented to have such access to NSA either he is just dummy or too naive

Not true. Over the years, Thapar has interviewed a bunch of people over the world. This isn't different from David Frost or Mike Wallace interviewing Khomeini and Putin. Some journalists have built that cred over the years and Thapar did that during his BBC Hard Talk days.

 

[crixus]

Not true. Over the years, Thapar has interviewed a bunch of people over the world. This isn't different from David Frost or Mike Wallace interviewing Khomeini and Putin. Some journalists have built that cred over the years and Thapar did that during his BBC Hard Talk days.

The thing is he get interview twice , thapar as a interviewer makes no diff.

You know WIRE has saved govt by raisisng the pagesus issue , the current issue to put govt in corner should be petrol prices but see WIRE again helped them by raising an issue which is literally irrelevant to middle class and lower class.