India India - Pakistan Relations

[crixus]

They can but still they need to cross over them ,and will spend hours removing few mines among many decoys .

So overall it would give us time to react

They are not fools to directly attack India , the best they can do is some attacks in Kashmir even options are limited there too .

The real enemy is China

 

[Nilgiri]

Continue that discussion here guys..... lets keep economy thread on point.

 

[Jackdaws]

A bunch of laughable claims presented by Pak in some dossier which claims India is training Islamic State terrorists. Apparently in a Hanuman temple. Go figure -

Click on full link -

Why Islamabad claims India is training Islamic State terrorists in the middle of a muddy little lake in Jodhpur

It is of course conceivable, that Islamic State recruits are being provided swimming-lessons. Even the most credulous consumers of propaganda, though, would concede the dossier falls short of homework.

www.firstpost.com

It is of course conceivable, that Islamic State recruits are being provided swimming-lessons. Even the most credulous consumers of propaganda, though, would concede the dossier falls short of homework

 

[Gary]

umm, no

this is typical Indo-Pak propaganda war, India accuses Pakistan harboring ISIS and Pakistan accuses India harboring TTP

both have no truths to it.

 

[Jackdaws]

umm, no

this is typical Indo-Pak propaganda war, India accuses Pakistan harboring ISIS and Pakistan accuses India harboring TTP

both have no truths to it.

Umm, please remind me. Where was OBL found?

 

[Gary]

Umm, please remind me. Where was OBL found?

OBL is not isis.

also Al Qaeda operatives also hid themselves in Iran. But no one in their sane minds would label Iran behind AQ

 

[kumata]

We had presented too many evidence of active terrorist campus in POK and nearby area. Those are on record... Both photographic as well as video evidence. Multiple dossiers are submitted in UN Too... Balakot we bombed. 26/11 was handled from. Karachi... Thst charge sheet was eye opener... Kasab himself confessed... What else u need..

 

[Jackdaws]

OBL is not isis.

also Al Qaeda operatives also hid themselves in Iran. But no one in their sane minds would label Iran behind AQ

Tomato, tomato.

Whatever their labels and various off shoots and splinter groups - at the end of the day, they all sail in the same terror boat. Hiding in Irani border areas and hiding in Pakistan's town whi hosts its military academy - apparently the Pakistani equivalent of West Point isn't a fair comparison.

 

[Paro]

umm, no

this is typical Indo-Pak propaganda war, India accuses Pakistan harboring ISIS and Pakistan accuses India harboring TTP

both have no truths to it.

India technically never accused pak of harboring ISIS. It was always LET, Indian mujahideen, and its sister groups who change their names after every other day they are sanctioned.

In the 90s we had terrorists from 32 natiionalities crossing from pak into India. India raised the issue for a whole 2 decades on the international forum where no one took heed until the US got fcuked in the ass. Not until 2005, the west started considering pak loose nukes as a threat and by 2008 they had plans drawn up for that exact senario.

https://irp.fas.org/eprint/mumbai.pdf

 

[Kaptaan]

Where was OBL found?

Please tell me where 9/11 hijackers learned to fly? And where was the hotel where they stayed before they executed their act of mass murder?

A: USA
A: Adjacent to Pentagon

 

[Jackdaws]

Please tell me where 9/11 hijackers learned to fly? And where was the hotel where they stayed before they executed their act of mass murder?

A: USA
A: Adjacent to Pentagon

Please tell me unless you have the 3 predictors from the movie Minority Report, how do you draw an equivalency between those terrorists who haven't committed an act of terror and one who has been on the global wanted list.

A:?

 

[kumata]

Please tell me unless you have the 3 predictors from the movie Minority Report, how do you draw an equivalency between those terrorists who haven't committed an act of terror and one who has been on the global wanted list.

A:?

LOL. .. Few example

1. I am not going to eat today today because some body died after having his breakfast. breakfasts fault there....
2. People Learn in good faith. Jihadi's of 9/11 took lessons for crashing the planes. fault of Americans that why they taught them. They deserve those planes crashing into WTC. they should have read jihadi's mind using sky technique .. poor technical country.... they have this technology to judge people by looking at their face in 5 seconds
3. For 26/11, It was fault of Captain of "Kuber" ship that he tried to help jihadi's while they were pretending to be helpless. what if they killed him.. it was his fault that choose to help them or rather it was the fault of that knife which was used to slaughter the poor guy... .
4. This reminded me of that woke propaganda of "Bullet killed my father not terrorists" from one of the girl whose father died in terrorist attack. She is happily settled in UK i guess post those placards

I wonder if anyone helps anyone in our western neighbour... Don;t think so.. Former foreign minister Sushma swaraj helped so many with VISA's for medical treatment and when she died, they were the one celebrating her death ...No doubt whole country is on never ending begging trips !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kaptaan]

Please tell me unless you have the 3 predictors from the movie Minority Report, how do you draw an equivalency between those terrorists who haven't committed an act of terror and one who has been on the global wanted list.

A:?

The point was it is not possible always to know what is going on. OBL was hiding in Afghanistan. How the hell did USA allow him to escape across the border given that it was very premise of their would be 2 trillion dollar project.

OBL was a product of the Afghan jihad of 1980s. It is thus natural that his support structure and network would be found in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He clearly used this network to avoid the US. As much as 9/11 hijackers did not go around decalaring or being in the open, neither did OBL. Many wanted fugitives in USA and UK avoid being caught for years.

And finally it is for USA to punish Pakistan if it did do anything wrong. Decade plus it has not done that so it's time you Indians moved on instead of being rabidly obsessed with this long dead Saudi.

 

[Jackdaws]

The point was it is not possible always to know what is going on. OBL was hiding in Afghanistan. How the hell did USA allow him to escape across the border given that it was very premise of their would be 2 trillion dollar project.

OBL was a product of the Afghan jihad of 1980s. It is thus natural that his support structure and network would be found in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He clearly used this network to avoid the US. As much as 9/11 hijackers did not go around decalaring or being in the open, neither did OBL. Many wanted fugitives in USA and UK avoid being caught for years.

And finally it is for USA to punish Pakistan if it did do anything wrong. Decade plus it has not done that so it's time you Indians moved on instead of being rabidly obsessed with this long dead Saudi.

Yes, ignorance truly can be bliss. It's time you Pakistanis acknowledge that your nation, Army and establishment houses terrorists - these include Osama, Azhar Masood, Lakhvi, Hafeez Saeed and who knows how many more. Most of these, if not all are UN designated terrorists.

 

[Nilgiri]

OBL is not isis.

also Al Qaeda operatives also hid themselves in Iran. But no one in their sane minds would label Iran behind AQ

The larger point is when the US detected the whereabouts, whether they chose to cooperate with a "Major non nato ally" or didn't (w.r.t "unwittingly" hosting the guy).

It more than anything highlighted what the "Major non nato ally" stuff really involved in the end (basic logistics and airspace use and little to no trust on anything else).

That tells you all you need to know about the ABC-group ecosystem reality over there (regarding perception from a country that experienced a tiny fraction of terror consequences that India did from same entity....but ample more force and pressure to exercise internally).

There is little to no delineation and lot of mish-mash in all the circuitry over there.

@VCheng

 

[Nilgiri]

Delhi Police busts Pakistan-organised terror module linked to underworld don Dawood Ibrahim's brother

"In a multistate operation, we have arrested six people. Two among them were trained in Pakistan recently. We got inputs from the central agency that plans across the border are being made to execute terror activities in several cities in India," addressing a press conference, Neeraj Thakur...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[VCheng]

The larger point is when the US detected the whereabouts, whether they chose to cooperate with a "Major non nato ally" or didn't (w.r.t "unwittingly" hosting the guy).

It more than anything highlighted what the "Major non nato ally" stuff really involved in the end (basic logistics and airspace use and little to no trust on anything else).

That tells you all you need to know about the ABC-group ecosystem reality over there (regarding perception from a country that experienced a tiny fraction of terror consequences that India did from same entity....but ample more force and pressure to exercise internally).

There is little to no delineation and lot of mish-mash in all the circuitry over there.

@VCheng

Mish mash in an understatement. That circuitry is fried and all the smoke has been let out of the capacitors.

 

[Jackdaws]

The annual SAARC foreign ministers' meet scheduled for September 25 stands cancelled after most member states refused to entertain Pakistan's request to allow the Taliban regime to represent Afghanistan in the meeting.

Link -

SAARC foreign ministers’ meet cancelled after Pakistan insists on Taliban participation

The annual SAARC foreign ministers' meet scheduled for September 25 stands cancelled after most member states refused to entertain Pakistan's request to allow the Taliban regime to represent Afghanistan in the meeting.

www.indiatoday.in

Pakistan is insisting that the Taliban regime in Afghanistan be allowed to send a representative to the upcoming SAARC foreign ministers' meet. This annual meeting was held virtually in 2020 owing to the coronavirus pandemic.

The informal meeting of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) Council of Ministers was to be held in-person on September 25 on the sidelines of the 76th Session of the UN General Assembly in New York.

However, the Nepalese Foreign Ministry issued a communiqué saying that the meet stands cancelled owing to "lack of concurrence from all Member States".

Sources tell India Today that most SAARC member states refused to entertain Pakistan's request to allow the Taliban regime to represent Afghanistan in the informal meeting.

Pakistan also insisted that none of the representatives of the Afghan government led by Ashraf Ghani be allowed at the SAARC foreign ministers' meet at any cost.

 

[Jackdaws]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1440351650896486409

@Nilgiri @crixus @VCheng @kumata @Lonewolf

Clearly, not everyone is going to recognize a regime of terrorists so easily.

 

[crixus]

They should recognize Taliban first