India rejects Pakistan's offer of liquid oxygen despite record Covid cases

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* This is quite tragic.


Indian Punjab had asked New Delhi to allow state to commercially import liquid medical oxygen via Wagah-Attari border




News Desk May 10, 2021


a worker loads empty oxygen cylinders onto a supply van to be transported to a filling station at a covid hospital in ahmedabad india photo reuters file


A worker loads empty oxygen cylinders onto a supply van to be transported to a filling station, at a Covid hospital in Ahmedabad, India. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE

Chief Minister of Indian Punjab Amarinder Singh has said Prime Minister Narendra Modi government had refused the request for private firms in the state to commercially import liquid medical oxygen from Pakistan.
As India reported a record number of coronavirus cases and its health sector choking due to lack of equipment particularly oxygen cylinders, Pakistan, in April, offered Covid-19 support to the neighbouring country in a gesture of solidarity.
"As a gesture of solidarity with the people of India in the wake of the current wave of Covid-19, Pakistan has offered to provide relief support to India including ventilators, Bi PAP, digital X-ray machines, PPEs (personal protective equipment) and related items," a statement from the Foreign Office had said.
The statement said that authorities in Pakistani and India can work out modalities for quick delivery of the relief items. "They can also explore possible ways of further cooperation to mitigate the challenges posed by the pandemic."
India has not responded to the offer.
According to a report of The Wire, the Indian government refused the request of the Indian Punjab government to import liquid medical oxygen from Pakistan through the Wagah-Attari border, which is geographically proximate, despite the rising number of Covid-19 patients.
The request was made by Punjab's chief minister in a letter to PM Modi, saying that the state had over 10,000 patients on oxygen support.
“The state was facing the prospect of a shortage of oxygen beds, he said, pointing out that the government of India had expressed its inability to even allow Punjab’s local industry to undertake commercial import of LMO from Pakistan through the Wagah-Attari border, which is geographically proximate,” the Punjab government’s official statement stated.
The report also said that the state's leaders had been pushing for an "oxygen corridor" from Pakistan as the graph of new Covid-19 relentlessly increased.
Indian main opposition party Congress's local leader Sunil Jakhar had earlier said that New Delhi was the main roadblock in the chief minister’s proposal to import oxygen from Pakistan. He said that if a single life was lost in the state due to the oxygen shortage, then the Centre would be responsible.
“The CM told us that he has been taking up the matter with Union Home Ministry and Union Minister of External Affairs. But he has not got a positive response yet. If we get this oxygen, we will bear the financial burden on our own. This is an emergent need to save the people of the state,” Jakhar said, according to the Indian Express.
Read more: India’s COVID-19 cases dip from peak, calls for shutdown mount
A member of parliament Gurjeet Singh Aujla had also written to Modi calling for an oxygen corridor. He pointed out that oxygen was being supplied in tankers from Panipat, around 350 km from Amritsar, while Lahore was just 50 KM away.
The Congress lawmaker had told The Wire that six patients had died of lack of oxygen in an Amritsar hospital last month. “Had we got enough oxygen supply, those precious lives could have been saved. Given the present state and forthcoming spike in this wave, I have written to PM Modi to accept all the help needed from our neighbours, especially Pakistan, which is around 50km away and just a one-hour journey from Lahore to Amritsar via the Indo-Pak border. A special ‘oxygen corridor’ should be set up to ensure regular and timely oxygen supply for patients.”
The Wire report also said that the Indian government’s rejection of an oxygen corridor from Pakistan seems similar to its refusal of Islamabad’s offer of aid.
After the crisis intensified in India, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had also shared the message of 'humanity first' on his official Twitter handle.

 

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This is kinda self defeating, and playing with people's life.
The reason behind refusal is political hubris. The Indian state of Punjab which borders the Pakistani province of Punjab have asked for help but the central government of Modi has refused. To accept help would -

  • mean by default that things are that bad in India
  • mean that things are better in Pakistan
  • mean that recieving help from the country they regularly brand "failed" is inconcieble as it goes against their narrative
The two Punjabs. One in Pakistan. The other smaller one in India which is mostly home of Sikhs.

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Yea, no time for ego. Just take it and save lives.

They produce 725 tonnes a day and consume 90% so it's just 72.5 tonnes. If we stop the wastage done by Delhi we can easily save 72.5 tonnes.

Pakistan consuming 90% of oxygen it produces: PM’s aide​



I can bet they don't even have a cryogenic tanker for transportation
 

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* This is quite tragic.


Indian Punjab had asked New Delhi to allow state to commercially import liquid medical oxygen via Wagah-Attari border




News Desk May 10, 2021


a worker loads empty oxygen cylinders onto a supply van to be transported to a filling station at a covid hospital in ahmedabad india photo reuters file


A worker loads empty oxygen cylinders onto a supply van to be transported to a filling station, at a Covid hospital in Ahmedabad, India. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE

Chief Minister of Indian Punjab Amarinder Singh has said Prime Minister Narendra Modi government had refused the request for private firms in the state to commercially import liquid medical oxygen from Pakistan.
As India reported a record number of coronavirus cases and its health sector choking due to lack of equipment particularly oxygen cylinders, Pakistan, in April, offered Covid-19 support to the neighbouring country in a gesture of solidarity.
"As a gesture of solidarity with the people of India in the wake of the current wave of Covid-19, Pakistan has offered to provide relief support to India including ventilators, Bi PAP, digital X-ray machines, PPEs (personal protective equipment) and related items," a statement from the Foreign Office had said.
The statement said that authorities in Pakistani and India can work out modalities for quick delivery of the relief items. "They can also explore possible ways of further cooperation to mitigate the challenges posed by the pandemic."
India has not responded to the offer.
According to a report of The Wire, the Indian government refused the request of the Indian Punjab government to import liquid medical oxygen from Pakistan through the Wagah-Attari border, which is geographically proximate, despite the rising number of Covid-19 patients.
The request was made by Punjab's chief minister in a letter to PM Modi, saying that the state had over 10,000 patients on oxygen support.
“The state was facing the prospect of a shortage of oxygen beds, he said, pointing out that the government of India had expressed its inability to even allow Punjab’s local industry to undertake commercial import of LMO from Pakistan through the Wagah-Attari border, which is geographically proximate,” the Punjab government’s official statement stated.
The report also said that the state's leaders had been pushing for an "oxygen corridor" from Pakistan as the graph of new Covid-19 relentlessly increased.
Indian main opposition party Congress's local leader Sunil Jakhar had earlier said that New Delhi was the main roadblock in the chief minister’s proposal to import oxygen from Pakistan. He said that if a single life was lost in the state due to the oxygen shortage, then the Centre would be responsible.
“The CM told us that he has been taking up the matter with Union Home Ministry and Union Minister of External Affairs. But he has not got a positive response yet. If we get this oxygen, we will bear the financial burden on our own. This is an emergent need to save the people of the state,” Jakhar said, according to the Indian Express.
Read more: India’s COVID-19 cases dip from peak, calls for shutdown mount
A member of parliament Gurjeet Singh Aujla had also written to Modi calling for an oxygen corridor. He pointed out that oxygen was being supplied in tankers from Panipat, around 350 km from Amritsar, while Lahore was just 50 KM away.
The Congress lawmaker had told The Wire that six patients had died of lack of oxygen in an Amritsar hospital last month. “Had we got enough oxygen supply, those precious lives could have been saved. Given the present state and forthcoming spike in this wave, I have written to PM Modi to accept all the help needed from our neighbours, especially Pakistan, which is around 50km away and just a one-hour journey from Lahore to Amritsar via the Indo-Pak border. A special ‘oxygen corridor’ should be set up to ensure regular and timely oxygen supply for patients.”
The Wire report also said that the Indian government’s rejection of an oxygen corridor from Pakistan seems similar to its refusal of Islamabad’s offer of aid.
After the crisis intensified in India, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had also shared the message of 'humanity first' on his official Twitter handle.

Liar can you prove where India rejected anything Pakistan offered
@T-123456 I think at least you can stop the lies peddled by this member or prove India rejected the help.
@Nilgiri now guy has started peddling lies
@MisterLike atleast you can control such threads based on blatant lies
 
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Liar can you prove where India rejected anything Pakistan offered
@T-123456 I think at least you can stop the lies peddled by this member or prove India rejected the help.
@Nilgiri now guy has started peddling lies
@MisterLike atleast you can control such threads based on blatant lies

An original link to article should be provided.

But wherever this article was from, "the Wire" did run this article that I think its quoting:

 

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An original link to article should be provided.

But wherever this article was from, "the Wire" did run this article that I think its quoting:

My whole point is How a state CM asks for any foreign country's help.
Did the Indian foreign ministry reject anything any statement?
Did Indian PMO reject anything any statement?

I don't think a state CM can have the authority to go to some foreign country, the rejection or acceptance only happens when govt of India declares.

Even in the attached link, the headline is :


Centre Turned Down Punjab’s Proposal to Urgently Buy Oxygen From Pakistan: Punjab CM​


The headline of the thread is

India rejects Pakistan's offer of liquid oxygen despite record Covid cases​


Even a blind can see the difference

Lets come to Pakistan's help

How Pakistan can help by sending oxygen when they barely fulfil their own requirements
By sending vaccines? ( you know better their pharma industry and their capabilities)
By sending testing kits? ( Nots sure what kind of testing kits they use)

Regarding Punjab CM he should have first stop the wastage in Bhatinda refinry :

Oxygen being wasted at Sri Guru Gobind Singh Refinery in Bathinda​

 
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My whole point is How a state CM asks for any foreign country's help.
Did the Indian foreign ministry reject anything any statement?
Did Indian PMO reject anything any statement?

I don't think a state CM can have the authority to go to some foreign country, the rejection or acceptance only happens when govt of India declares.

Even in the attached link, the headline is :


Centre Turned Down Punjab’s Proposal to Urgently Buy Oxygen From Pakistan: Punjab CM​


The headline of the thread is

India rejects Pakistan's offer of liquid oxygen despite record Covid cases​


Even a blind can see the difference

You will have to take it up with this fellow:

Last week, Punjab Congress chief Sunil Jakhar had stated that the Centre was the main roadblock in the chief minister’s proposal to import oxygen from Pakistan. He said that if a single life was lost in the state due to the oxygen shortage, then the Centre would be responsible

“The CM told us that he has been taking up the matter with Union Home Ministry and Union Minister of External Affairs. But he has not got a positive response yet. If we get this oxygen, we will bear the financial burden on our own. This is an emergent need to save the people of the state,” Jakhar said, according to the Indian Express.

Amritsar member of parliament Gurjeet Singh Aujla had also written to Modi calling for an oxygen corridor. He pointed out that oxygen was being supplied in tankers from Panipat, around 350 km from Amritsar, while the Pakistani city of Lahore was just 50 km away.

The Congress lawmaker had told The Wire that six patients had died of lack of oxygen in an Amritsar hospital last month. “Had we got enough oxygen supply, those precious lives could have been saved. Given the present state and forthcoming spike in this wave, I have written to PM Modi to accept all the help needed from our neighbours, especially Pakistan, which is around 50 km away and just a one-hour journey from Lahore to Amritsar via the Indo-Pak border. A special ‘oxygen corridor’ should be set up to ensure regular and timely oxygen supply for patients.”

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The Pakistani media article (which @Kaptaan should provide link for in edit when he is back) is quoting from this "TheWire" article verbatim pretty much.

The Pak media headline changes from this congress punjab chief's assertion of "main roadblock" and "lack of positive reaction"............ to "rejection".

Readers are free to determine themselves (now that original reference article from "TheWire" provided) if that is a small or big stretch to make.
 

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You will have to take it up with this fellow:

Last week, Punjab Congress chief Sunil Jakhar had stated that the Centre was the main roadblock in the chief minister’s proposal to import oxygen from Pakistan. He said that if a single life was lost in the state due to the oxygen shortage, then the Centre would be responsible

“The CM told us that he has been taking up the matter with Union Home Ministry and Union Minister of External Affairs. But he has not got a positive response yet. If we get this oxygen, we will bear the financial burden on our own. This is an emergent need to save the people of the state,” Jakhar said, according to the Indian Express.

Amritsar member of parliament Gurjeet Singh Aujla had also written to Modi calling for an oxygen corridor. He pointed out that oxygen was being supplied in tankers from Panipat, around 350 km from Amritsar, while the Pakistani city of Lahore was just 50 km away.

The Congress lawmaker had told The Wire that six patients had died of lack of oxygen in an Amritsar hospital last month. “Had we got enough oxygen supply, those precious lives could have been saved. Given the present state and forthcoming spike in this wave, I have written to PM Modi to accept all the help needed from our neighbours, especially Pakistan, which is around 50 km away and just a one-hour journey from Lahore to Amritsar via the Indo-Pak border. A special ‘oxygen corridor’ should be set up to ensure regular and timely oxygen supply for patients.”

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The Pakistani media article (which @Kaptaan should provide link for in edit when he is back) is quoting from this "TheWire" article verbatim pretty much.

The Pak media headline changes from this congress punjab chief's assertion of "main roadblock" and "lack of positive reaction"............ to "rejection".

Readers are free to determine themselves (now that original reference article from "TheWire" provided) if that is a small or big stretch to make.
Did someone tell Sunil Jakhar to first stop wasting oxygen in the Bhatinda refinery, then propose help from where he is proposing


When Jamnagar refinery can produce 700 tonnes of oxygen per day ( almost equivalent to the whole of Pakistan's capacity ) then what's wrong with the Bhatinda refinery .

Still, my question remains the same, How can rejecting the Punjab CM's proposal become the rejection of Pakistani help ??????
 

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An original link to article should be provided.

But wherever this article was from, "the Wire" did run this article that I think its quoting:


If i may, as far as i have been able to tell from my indian friends, the shortage is not of oxygen specifically but of cylinders and many of them are being sold in black, go figure. However the capacity toi produce oxygen does not mean that availability is assured to each and every part of the country. ITs the same with electricity. Just because you can produce the expected demand doesnt mean that electricity will be available everywhere and if so then it would explain the shortage in Punjab.
As for cryogenic Tanks. We have them and on 20th June 2020, it was reported that FBR had removed Customs on Oxygen, Cylinders and Cryogenic Tanks to combat any shortages that may arrive and i guess that has helped our oxygen demands as there hasnt been any reported shortages however the oxygen facility is burdened and doctors have predicted that something needs to be done now to ensure continuity of the supply in the future and to avoid shortage in the future.
 

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An original link to article should be provided.

But wherever this article was from, "the Wire" did run this article that I think its quoting:


Indeed. If an Article is published in a respectable news outlet then we cannot penalize the OP for opening a thread on it. We can argue on the validity of the Article itself through legitimate discussion but we cant blame the OP for opening a thread on it. Taking words from the Indian Supreme Court :p :p :p
"These are the Nuances that we must always understand when implementing laws and utilizing interpretation."
 

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Indeed. If an Article is published in a respectable news outlet then we cannot penalize the OP for opening a thread on it. We can argue on the validity of the Article itself through legitimate discussion but we cant blame the OP for opening a thread on it. Taking words from the Indian Supreme Court :p :p :p
"These are the Nuances that we must always understand when implementing laws and utilizing interpretation."
The thing is Indian govt did not reject anything, no Indian state can contact any other country without the centre's approval .

The whole thing is the intention behind the thread, which you can easily guess by the history of threads opened by OP
 
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