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[Nilgiri]

The dutch navy visit went well @T-123456 :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1454031739421028357

 

[TR_123456]

The dutch navy visit went well @T-123456 :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1454031739421028357

You mean exercise?

 

[Lonewolf]

You mean exercise?

Yeah most of visit to India are for excercise

 

[iceream]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1454786501665910790

@Nilgiri

How does vishakapatnam compare to

Pakistan’s New Type 054 A/P Frigate Started Sea Trials In China?

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri

How does vishakapatnam compare to

Pakistan’s New Type 054 A/P Frigate Started Sea Trials In China?

Well you are comparing a destroyer and frigate here....

The terminology blurs somewhat in some navies (esp in NATO) these days....

....but in this case we are still talking about a destroyer thats twice the ship the frigate is.....literally.

Heavyweight boxer versus middle weight my friend. Diff weight classes.

Past that, there is lot of qualitative edge (MF STAR + Barak for example) in kolkata and vizag class compared to any navy in IOR....be it frigate or destroyer.

 

[Lonewolf]

Well you are comparing a destroyer and frigate here....

The terminology blurs somewhat in some navies (esp in NATO) these days....

....but in this case we are still talking about a destroyer thats twice the ship the frigate is.....literally.

Heavyweight boxer versus middle weight my friend. Diff weight classes.

Past that, there is lot of qualitative edge (MF STAR + Barak for example) in kolkata and vizag class compared to any navy in IOR....be it frigate or destroyer.

Add to that vizag has plenty space for 24 vlsrsam of 40 km range , that's about 32+24=56 vls for air defence and 16 brahmos ashm , if in future they add 8 nirbhay ,that will take it to 80 vls ship , almost best in class

 

[Nilgiri]

Add to that vizag has plenty space for 24 vlsrsam of 40 km range , that's about 32+24=56 vls for air defence and 16 brahmos ashm , if in future they add 8 nirbhay ,that will take it to 80 vls ship , almost best in class

That is where the heavyweight comes in. He has much bigger frame than middle weights and lightweights.

 

[Zapper]

@Nilgiri

How does vishakapatnam compare to

Pakistan’s New Type 054 A/P Frigate Started Sea Trials In China?

I believe the right comparison would be PLAAN's Type 55 vs IN's Visakhapatnam Class both being destroyer though Type 55 is relatively larger at 12-13k tons displacement vs Visakhapatnam's 7.5-8.2k tons. The type 54-A frigate is significantly smaller at 4k tons and half the capability in terms of armament while PN had to entirely rely on chinese weapons. The Shivalik class frigates can be compared to type 54 though the former is fairly larger at 6k tons with better armament

Add to that vizag has plenty space for 24 vlsrsam of 40 km range , that's about 32+24=56 vls for air defence and 16 brahmos ashm , if in future they add 8 nirbhay ,that will take it to 80 vls ship , almost best in class

In terms of VLS, Type 55 has 112 VLS vs Visakhapatnam's projected 80 which is in line with Zumwalt class though Zumwalt is relatively larger at 15k tons

 

[Nilgiri]

I believe the right comparison would be PLAAN's Type 55 vs IN's Visakhapatnam Class both being destroyer though Type 55 is relatively larger at 12-13k tons displacement vs Visakhapatnam's 7.5-8.2k tons.

Type 55 is a super-heavyweight. It is a cruiser on the cruiser-destroyer spectrum (that PLAN just uses "destroyer" for....like bunch of euro navies jsut use "frigate" for frigate - destroyer spectrum).

India's equivalent in that class (NGD) is taking shape, vizag wont be it in any strict equivalent sense (though we can combine a few things to get same power level):

Destroyers

defencehub.live

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455456681366806529

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455455295774330883

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455456681366806529

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455455295774330883

Regarding BHEL SRGM....there is visual confirmation now it has replaced A-190E on some of the Talwar class:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1457521227996676097

INS trishul earlier for comparison:

@Anmdt @Gessler @Bilal Khan(Quwa) @AlphaMike @Test7 et al.

 

[Gary]

Regarding BHEL SRGM....there is visual confirmation now it has replaced A-190E on some of the Talwar class:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1457521227996676097

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INS trishul earlier for comparison:

@Anmdt @Gessler @Bilal Khan(Quwa) @AlphaMike @Test7 et al.

for what tradeoff ??? increase RoF ?

 

[Nilgiri]

for what tradeoff ??? increase RoF ?

I would imagine so, along with better standardisation (ammo options etc) with the other frigates and destroyers that use the same.

It is licensed produced OTO melara basically.....up to 120 rounds per minute of 76.2 mm.

AK-100 it says max rate of fire is about half of that (with 100 mm).

I guess one can compare the specifications point by point, but I think its case of larger standardisation India wants to do on (frigate + destroyer) navy ships going forward.

 

[Lonewolf]

It's time for missile standardization , for ashm brahmos or develop a subsonic missile or some lighter option for smaller ships , SAM should be barak 8 +xrsam(in future ) with some vlsrsam , and for smaller ships ,aesa seeker equipped vlsrsam .

 

[Nilgiri]

India promotes submarine rescue mechanism for IOR

GMC should move beyond dialogue and focus on cogent outcomes, says Navy Chief

www.thehindu.com

The Indian Navy demonstrated its submarine rescue capability, available with very few countries in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR), to Navy chiefs and delegations of Indian Ocean countries during the Goa Maritime Conclave (GMC) 2021.

“We have an MoU with Singapore, under which we support each other. Its helps understand each other’s system,” said Cdr V.K. Singh, pilot of the DSRV (deep-submergence rescue vehicle) on the west coast. “We can provide support in the entire IOR. We are looking for MoUs with other countries too.”

In his closing remarks at the GMC on Tuesday, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Karambir Singh stressed that the GMC should move beyond dialogue and focus on cogent outcomes. He proposed “four guiding principles for the future editions - iterative and incremental gains, harnessing complementarities, synchronisation and focussed operations, and lastly upskilling and upscaling the existing capabilities.”

The conclave also saw the declaration of ‘Common Maritime Priorities’, which had been identified during the Goa Maritime Symposium 21 held earlier this year.

Exchanging practices​

India and Singapore, which also has the capability, have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to exchange practices on submarine rescue and discussions were on with more countries to have arrangements for them to utilise this mechanism, Navy officials said.


The Navy has procured two DSRVs from the U.K., of which the first one was operationalised end-2018 in Mumbai and the second at Visakhapatnam in early 2019.

The system can go to a maximum depth of 650 metres and rescue 14 people in one go.

Because submarine accidents could occur far that cannot be predetermined, the DSRVs are designed to be agile and easily transportable to far-off places, said Capt Koushik Hota, Officer in Charge, Submarine Rescue Unit (West).

For this purpose, the entire system has been divided into 24 components, with each having a footprint of a standard container that could be easily transported by road, sea or air, he explained.

The DSRV, attached to mother ship INS Sabarmati, could be transported by heavy transport aircraft like IL-76 and C-17. “From the time of distress to the time of first rescue, we are considering between 72-96 hours,” stated Cdr Singh.

The Navy was also looking to participate in international submarine rescue exercises to further hone their skills.

In April, India dispatched the two DSRVs to locate the missing Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala but were called back mid-way after the Indonesian Navy declared that it had located the debris of the missing submarine.

During trials in 2018, the DSRV dived upto 666 metres, setting a record for deepest submergence by a ‘manned vessel’ in Indian waters. The DSRV crew has also carried out Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) operations at over 750 metres and Side Scan Sonar operations at over 650 metres.

 

[Nilgiri]

I was (earlier) chatting with @T-123456 about our shipyard capacity being a real problem for our naval expansion efforts.

@Anmdt what are your thoughts on packing ships this closely (due to this limited capacity we are stuck with till IN economy + investment really grows to larger size)..... it is safe with enough safety protocols?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1458684457095864323

 

[Anmdt]

I was (earlier) chatting with @T-123456 about our shipyard capacity being a real problem for our naval expansion efforts.

@Anmdt what are your thoughts on packing ships this closely (due to this limited capacity we are stuck with till IN economy + investment really grows to larger size)..... it is safe with enough safety protocols?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1458684457095864323

This happens, commercial shipyards never care about whose ships is parked (docked) on where as long as it fits and respects to the docking-floating schedule.
Is it risky? Not actually, does it good look to eye to dock a rusty barge on next of a pretty warship? No.
Especially thinking that barge is definitely going through repairs, they should procure some floating docks to handle warships more appropriately.

 

[Nilgiri]

This happens, commercial shipyards never care about whose ships is parked (docked) on where as long as it fits and respects to the docking-floating schedule.
Is it risky? Not actually, does it good look to eye to dock a rusty barge on next of a pretty warship? No.
Especially thinking that barge is definitely going through repairs, they should procure some floating docks to handle warships more appropriately.

Bigger issue seems to be the inefficiency and under-investment plaguing govt owned enterprises (like the major shipyards) in India:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1459099195164483585

Like man-hour (supply wise) to make up for capital + training + investment shortfall is not a huge issue directly in India (given the man hour and raw labour available).....but the effect is certainly taken on time and efficiency.

I wonder where countries like Turkey, China and others are at right now in these areas....

@Gessler @Bilal Khan(Quwa) @AlphaMike @Madokafc @Zapper et al.

Taken from "all things navy" twitter:

https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy

 

[Gessler]

For those who wanted perspective on the size difference between the 3300-ton 109-meter Kamorta-class ASW corvette (left) and the 6200-ton 144-meter Shivalik-class frigate.

@Nilgiri @AlphaMike @Anmdt @Cabatli_53 @Zapper

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1464499124535914498