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I know this is from RT.
But to our Indian members on this forum. Is this legit or not??
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It is ongoing matter for many years now (RT is sensationalising it, picking up on some Indian media response too).
I do not think India can (officially + legally) request another country to ask for military passage permission by law (in EEZ, different to territorial water)....but it is something more done out of convention....so when its not followed (and especially by big power like US which we have had bad relations with in cold war etc), it annoys us as it is perceived as very deliberate.
So a standard operating procedure of declarations and "concerns" are given in statements....but these things are all explained/justified/sorted out in more detail behind scenes.
I have always said India can simply send a navy ship to do a FONOP on US EEZ...but our media etc are very touchy about the matter so they don't properly understand these things.
IMO, US is trying to set a consistent broader picture so there is consistent precedent w.r.t manner they (and allies) do the FONOPs in South China Sea no matter what PRC squawks and sand-fills for new everchanging definition of both EEZ and territorial waters that they attempt there.
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Reacting to the development, the Ministry of External Affairs adhered to the government's stand on not allowing military exercises in its exclusive economic zone without consent and said it has conveyed its concerns to the US government through diplomatic channels.
Days after the first summit of the Quadrilateral grouping and US Secretary of Defence Lloyd J Austin’s visit to New Delhi, the US Seventh Fleet announced that one of its warships, USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53), had carried out a Freedom of Navigation operation west of Lakshadweep Islands, “inside India’s exclusive economic zone, without requesting India’s prior consent, consistent with international law”.
Responding to this public announcement by the US Navy which raised eyebrows given the growing ties between the armed forces of the two countries, especially their navies, New Delhi said: “We have conveyed our concerns regarding this passage through our EEZ to the Government of USA through diplomatic channels.”
In a statement, the Ministry of External Affairs said: “The USS John Paul Jones was continuously monitored transiting from the Persian Gulf towards the Malacca Straits.”
US warship stirs the waters ‘without Indian consent’, Delhi conveys concern
Reacting to the development, the Ministry of External Affairs adhered to the government's stand on not allowing military exercises in its exclusive economic zone without consent and said it has conveyed its concerns to the US government through diplomatic channels.
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A storm in a tea-cup. There is nothing anywhere that says that an EEZ cannot be navigated without permission. It cannot be EXPLOITED without permission, and the US Navy was well within its Freedom of Navigation rights.
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As usual rt with its senstasionalism.
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Russia does not like India and the USA having close relations. While India does not like Russia having close relations with China.
Russians think they can play this game only while geopolitics does not work like that.
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...or Russia having closer relations with Pakistan than absolutely necessary. On our old platform, there is a wave of almost sexual arousal at a story that Russia is trying to sell Pakistan a SU57 contract.
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New Indian clandestine ship is coming? - Alpha Defense
The Naval Physical and Oceanographic Laboratory (NPOL), Kochi is all set to engage vendors for the construction of a new secretive ship.
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New Indian clandestine ship is coming?
-Subodh Sharma
The Naval Physical and Oceanographic Laboratory (NPOL), Kochi is all set to engage vendors for the construction of a new type of secretive ship. This ship will provide NPOL the ability to undertake research for underwater acoustics that is often associated with Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW). The ship will be called as New Acoustic Research Ship (NARS).
This is not the first time that NPOL will be making a special purpose vessel for the acoustic research, earlier INS Sagardhwani was constructed by Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers. The ship was launched in 1991 and since then the vessel has been operational with NPOL as marine acoustic research ship (MARS).
Specifications of the ship:
The length of the ship will be 115 meters and it will be capable of reaching up to maximum speed of 15 Knots. The system will be designed specifically to undertake the low speed missions with a minimum speed of 4 Knots. In order to achieve the silent mode of operation, hybrid propulsion system will be used.The ship will have 18 labs on board, including the sonar testing, ASW and mooring assembling lab. It will have a endurance of 30 days and 4500 nautical miles in a single mission. It will carry crew of Total 70 (40 scientists and 30 crew).
The ship will be capable of deploying AUV, RUV, Survey Boat and SOLAS Boat. It will have 3 cranes (5 Tonne, 10 tonne and 25 tonne) for the deployment of these deployable assets and general purpose. In addition, it will also have a 15 tonne A-frame at the stern for the deployment of AUV and RUV.
Submarine tracking ship after Missile Tracking ship?
Recently, INS Dhruv, a research vessel and missile range instrumentation ship built by India’s Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) was commissioned in the active service. The ship can gather electronic intelligence and will be used to track missile and satellites to aid India’s strategic weapons and anti-ballistic missiles. It will be jointly operated by National Technical Research Organisation, Defence Research and Development Organisation and the Indian Navy. NARS will be performing similar tasks for underwater roles.
In detail – The Project NARS
The proposed ship is envisaged as acoustically silent class sonar research ship with all the necessary facilities for testing acoustic subsystems / systems at sea. The ship shall have an endurance of 30 days and will carry 40 scientific personnel and 30 crew members. The cruising speed of the ship shall be 12 knots. To carry out sonar testing and evaluation, the ship will have special facilities like- Moon pool – large opening through the deck and bottom of drill ships, diving support vessels or well intervention vessels, allowing to lower tools and instruments into the sea.
- Specifications of the Moon pool in NARS:
- Size 5.4 m * 5.4 m clear opening
- Max Weight of transducer to be handled -10 tons
- Lowering mechanism with winch and A-frame
- Provision for lowering 10 m below keel
2. Drop keel – A “centreboard”—also called a drop keel, or sliding keel—is a retractable keel midships that may be lowered to increase lateral resistance and prevent sideslip. A “skeg” is an aft ward extension of the keel intended to keep the boat moving straight and to protect the propeller and rudder from underwater obstructions.
- Specifications of Drop Keel:
- Size 3.5 m * 1.3 m
- Service hatch above water line for in-water replacement
- Power operated hoist with redundancy
3. Acoustic dome with directing gear and automatic trolley arrangement.
Additional Systems
In addition, it will have standard handling systems including- cranes,
- towing winches,
- provision for launching AUVs, ROVs, Survey boat etc.
As per NPOL, the detailed design, development and building of the vessel shall be undertaken through an approved Indian shipyard with necessary expertise and experience. The ship shall be designed and built to comply with all necessary design and class certifications. The total project is envisaged to be completed within a duration of 60 months.
Type of Missions that will be taken by NARS
The proposed vessel is to serve NPOL as a multi-purpose, multi-discipline marine Acoustic & Sonar research ship capable of worldwide cruising. The vessel shall be capable of carrying out research work in coastal as well as deep oceans. The mission of the ship includes- Collecting oceanographic, acoustic, and geophysical data.
- Able to carry out concept proving trials and prototype testing of SONAR systems and technologies.
- Able to perform prototype sonar performance evaluation and testing along with calibration of sonar arrays.
Why this ship is important?
The growing presence of Chinese submarine fleet in Indian ocean region needs immediate attention. The MARS (INS Sagardhwani) was inducted in service in the year 1994 and today the need is to have a more modern and capable system. This ship will be used to develop new technology, technique, tactics and placement of underwater assets for more effective anti-submarine warfare.@anmdt
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And it will have dynamic positioning probably class III, by looking at aft and fore thrusters. Altough classical shafted propellers and double aft thruster may not be enough. It will be challenging to fit engines, shafting, moonpool, drop keel rooms, transducer rooms etc. On a monohull. A catamaran and/ or podded propellers will ease the design for those keel openings (which is the challenging structural wise) and acoustical design.
Will be looking for the final form.
Will be looking for the final form.
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@Nilgiri... Concept design is developed by Viksandvik Design India Ltd, Chennai and its not Cochin Shipyard limitedNew Indian clandestine ship is coming? - Alpha Defense
The Naval Physical and Oceanographic Laboratory (NPOL), Kochi is all set to engage vendors for the construction of a new secretive ship.
New Indian clandestine ship is coming?
-Subodh Sharma
The Naval Physical and Oceanographic Laboratory (NPOL), Kochi is all set to engage vendors for the construction of a new type of secretive ship. This ship will provide NPOL the ability to undertake research for underwater acoustics that is often associated with Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW). The ship will be called as New Acoustic Research Ship (NARS).
This is not the first time that NPOL will be making a special purpose vessel for the acoustic research, earlier INS Sagardhwani was constructed by Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers. The ship was launched in 1991 and since then the vessel has been operational with NPOL as marine acoustic research ship (MARS).
Specifications of the ship:
The length of the ship will be 115 meters and it will be capable of reaching up to maximum speed of 15 Knots. The system will be designed specifically to undertake the low speed missions with a minimum speed of 4 Knots. In order to achieve the silent mode of operation, hybrid propulsion system will be used.
The ship will have 18 labs on board, including the sonar testing, ASW and mooring assembling lab. It will have a endurance of 30 days and 4500 nautical miles in a single mission. It will carry crew of Total 70 (40 scientists and 30 crew).
The ship will be capable of deploying AUV, RUV, Survey Boat and SOLAS Boat. It will have 3 cranes (5 Tonne, 10 tonne and 25 tonne) for the deployment of these deployable assets and general purpose. In addition, it will also have a 15 tonne A-frame at the stern for the deployment of AUV and RUV.
Submarine tracking ship after Missile Tracking ship?
Recently, INS Dhruv, a research vessel and missile range instrumentation ship built by India’s Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) was commissioned in the active service. The ship can gather electronic intelligence and will be used to track missile and satellites to aid India’s strategic weapons and anti-ballistic missiles. It will be jointly operated by National Technical Research Organisation, Defence Research and Development Organisation and the Indian Navy. NARS will be performing similar tasks for underwater roles.
In detail – The Project NARS
The proposed ship is envisaged as acoustically silent class sonar research ship with all the necessary facilities for testing acoustic subsystems / systems at sea. The ship shall have an endurance of 30 days and will carry 40 scientific personnel and 30 crew members. The cruising speed of the ship shall be 12 knots. To carry out sonar testing and evaluation, the ship will have special facilities like
- Moon pool – large opening through the deck and bottom of drill ships, diving support vessels or well intervention vessels, allowing to lower tools and instruments into the sea.
- Specifications of the Moon pool in NARS:
- Size 5.4 m * 5.4 m clear opening
- Max Weight of transducer to be handled -10 tons
- Lowering mechanism with winch and A-frame
- Provision for lowering 10 m below keel
2. Drop keel – A “centreboard”—also called a drop keel, or sliding keel—is a retractable keel midships that may be lowered to increase lateral resistance and prevent sideslip. A “skeg” is an aft ward extension of the keel intended to keep the boat moving straight and to protect the propeller and rudder from underwater obstructions.
- Specifications of Drop Keel:
- Size 3.5 m * 1.3 m
- Service hatch above water line for in-water replacement
- Power operated hoist with redundancy
3. Acoustic dome with directing gear and automatic trolley arrangement.
Additional Systems
In addition, it will have standard handling systems including
The new vessel shall be equipped with all scientific and oceanographic equipment required for carrying out acoustic / oceanographic studies. The vessel shall also be equipped with reconfigurable mission control centers which can be re arranged to house different types of electronic units and other internal equipment. NPOL has already prepared the concept design and broad technical specifications, project execution plan, cost estimates and general arrangement drawings of the ship with the help of a reputed ship design consultancy firm (Most likely Cochin Shipyard Limited). However, as GRSE have made similar vessel earlier, thus can be a option as well.
- cranes,
- towing winches,
- provision for launching AUVs, ROVs, Survey boat etc.
As per NPOL, the detailed design, development and building of the vessel shall be undertaken through an approved Indian shipyard with necessary expertise and experience. The ship shall be designed and built to comply with all necessary design and class certifications. The total project is envisaged to be completed within a duration of 60 months.
Type of Missions that will be taken by NARS
The proposed vessel is to serve NPOL as a multi-purpose, multi-discipline marine Acoustic & Sonar research ship capable of worldwide cruising. The vessel shall be capable of carrying out research work in coastal as well as deep oceans. The mission of the ship includes
The vessel is to carry onboard and deploy basic oceanographic, geological, meteorological equipment, acoustic equipment, and trial components such as submarine noise simulator and active targets.
- Collecting oceanographic, acoustic, and geophysical data.
- Able to carry out concept proving trials and prototype testing of SONAR systems and technologies.
- Able to perform prototype sonar performance evaluation and testing along with calibration of sonar arrays.
Why this ship is important?
The growing presence of Chinese submarine fleet in Indian ocean region needs immediate attention. The MARS (INS Sagardhwani) was inducted in service in the year 1994 and today the need is to have a more modern and capable system. This ship will be used to develop new technology, technique, tactics and placement of underwater assets for more effective anti-submarine warfare.
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The U.S. Navy's Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) announced on Twitter that the Indian Navy's first MH-60R Maritime Helicopter conducted its initial flight.
Xavier Vavasseur 21 Apr 2021The first flight took place at the Sikorsky / Lockheed Martin’s Rotary and Mission Systems (RMS) plant in Owego, New York.
India became the latest country to place an order for 24 MH-60Rs in February 2020. It has to be noted that the weapons package for these helicopters is till being negotiated: The original “possible foreign military sale” announcement issued in April 2019 mentioned a price of an estimated cost of $2.6 billion. The Indian Navy MH-60R weapons package is expected to include Kongsberg’s Naval Strike Missile in its helicopter launched variant (known as NSM-HL).
In 2019, the U.S. State Department approved similar deals for the ROK Navy (South Korea) as well as for the Hellenic Navy. So far, the Romeo has been selected by the navies of the United States, Denmark, Australia and Saudi Arabia.
Indian Navy's First MH-60R Maritime Helicopter Takes Flight - Naval News
The U.S. Navy's Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) announced on Twitter that the Indian Navy's first MH-60R Maritime Helicopter conducted its initial flight.
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Navy to get aircraft carrier Vikrant, missile destroyer Visakhapatnam in 2021
While the Chinese Navy has commissioned three main battleships last Saturday at Sanya in Hainan naval facility in disputed South China Sea, the Cochin shipyard will start final trials of INS Vikrant as precursor of handing over the carrier to the Indian Navy.
Indian Navy is expected to get delivery of 45,000-tonne indigenous INS Vikrant aircraft carrier and 7,500-tonne Visakhapatnam class stealth guided missile destroyer by end-2021 to add to its capability to defend and dominate the Indo-Pacific region.
The indigenous aircraft carrier and INS Visakhapatnam will be formally commissioned into the Navy next year. “Contractual clauses come alive once the warship is handed over to Indian Navy but commissioning takes times as the vessel is to be tested by the Naval personnel for its capability,” said a former Western Navy commander.
While the Chinese Navy has commissioned three main battleships last Saturday at Sanya in Hainan naval facility in disputed South China Sea, the Cochin shipyard will start final trials of INS Vikrant as precursor of handing over the carrier to the Indian Navy. The Mazagon Dockyards will complete trials of INS Visakhapatnam and deliver the stealth destroyer close to the Indian Navy Day.
Powered by General Electric turbines, INS Vikrant will carry two squadrons of MiG-29K fighters and 10 Kamov Ka -31 helicopters. The aircraft carrier strike force will have a range of over 15000 kilometre with Barak surface to air missile to give aerial protection to the vessel. INS Visakhapatnam’s main attack weapon is anti-ship and land attack BrahMos cruise missiles apart from torpedos for anti-submarine warfare.
With the Indian Navy deciding to give preference to nuclear powered conventional submarines in future sea-warfare, the third aircraft carrier also called INS Vishal will now be seen as a replacement for the presently serving INS Vikramaditya.
India’s sole aircraft carrier is currently under maintenance and will be available for operations in the coming months. The decision to project INS Vishal as a replacement for INS Vikramaditya means that the third aircraft carrier plan has not been shelved. Instead, it will go on concurrently so that there is no gap when INS Vikramaditya is decommissioned and mothballed.
In fact, Indian Navy will add more teeth to its capability next year when INS Arighat, India’s second ballistic missile nuclear submarine, will be delivered to the Strategic Forces Command. The vessel is under trials and will be equipped with 3500 km K-4 intermediate range ballistic missiles.
