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Ukrainian Forces are using HATSAN's BTS12 semi auto shotguns for countering FPV drones, a French defence news plattform reported that the French Army is also testing the same shotgun.

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Interesting 5 in the mag if I heard correct, would be useful to have 1-2 equipped with these on missions.
 

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Don't semi auto shotguns have ejection problems? I recall reading something about brass casings and how they actually eliminate ejection jams even in shittier shotguns. If true, part of this auto shotgun adaptation would be munitions with brass casings being more commonplace. Just a thought.
 

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Maximum range of shotguns is 100 meters which is poor however it is better than nothing. Regarding full auto shotgun, i would say it would be useless. Semi auto engagement is more accurate.


This gun and its short 20mm caliber would be interesting, if the ammo were smart with proximity fuse.
 

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I tried it before nice gun but not match with Turkish hand genetic, same ergonomics like TP9 and Glock series, i prefer SAR9 series which match with Turkish hand shape that proof more stability.
Honestly didn't even look at it that way.

I thought "A Turkish-made, reliable, cheap Glock" and that was it for me, I felt good. 😊

Being a Glock clone means 3D-printed Glock switches. This thing is a 5th column MVP!
 

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Honestly didn't even look at it that way.

I thought "A Turkish-made, reliable, cheap Glock" and that was it for me, I felt good. 😊

Being a Glock clone means 3D-printed Glock switches. This thing is a 5th column MVP!
certainly it is, If there is not much difference you can choose Derya but actually Derya is produces quality hunting rifles and it is new in pistol sector.

Btw Glock is not only pistol in the polymer gun field there are many althernatives like TP9, SAR9, PX9, quality and reasonable prices are more important today.
 

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“4 MOA” is not a good value.
What are the experiences by our forces?
*facepalm*
That's a standard value (minimum acceptable) for military rifles with military grade ammo. btw. do you actually know how this all works in reality?

There is a Defence Turk video where the reporter managed ~3-3,5 MOA group with a MPT-76 that had over 15000 rounds through, that's more than enough to smoke a man sized target at ~300m.
 

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*facepalm*
That's a standard value (minimum acceptable) for military rifles with military grade ammo. btw. do you actually know how this all works in reality?

There is a Defence Turk video where the reporter managed ~3-3,5 MOA group with a MPT-76 that had over 15000 rounds through, that's more than enough to smoke a man sized target at ~300m.
As I said, it’s not a good value. 3 Moa is a good value, 4 Moa is not a good value, but acceptable.
 

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As I said, it’s not a good value. 3 Moa is a good value, 4 Moa is not a good value, but acceptable.
The M4A1 is also classified 4 MOA yet it's closer to 2 MOA in real tests, that's just a standard min. number given by the producer.

You're always trying to cherry pick something out only to rant about, even though you have no clue about the topic. btw. 4 MOA is still hitting a man sized target at 300m.
 

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Maximum range of shotguns is 100 meters which is poor however it is better than nothing. Regarding full auto shotgun, i would say it would be useless. Semi auto engagement is more accurate.


This gun and its short 20mm caliber would be interesting, if the ammo were smart with proximity fuse.
 

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We were waiting for
 

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