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Indeed.
Jerman cuy, asesmen bakalan expert.

Long range too? Nice.

I wonder for the ballistic missile and SAM deals, is there ToT involved or counter trade?
Because there is such regulation here.
If you ask me for the simplicity getting 10 submarines before 2030, take the whole 4 units of Tupi Class, take 3 Type-214 Class and then conduct the technical audits on 3 Nagapasa Class, do everything necessarily to optimise those 3 units already in our service, after all they're paid by citizens's tax. There you have 10 - 12 submarines by 2030 plus KRI Cakra
 

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If you ask me for the simplicity getting 10 submarines before 2030, take the whole 4 units of Tupi Class, take 3 Type-214 Class and then conduct the technical audits on 3 Nagapasa Class, do everything necessarily to optimise those 3 units already in our service, after all they're paid by citizens's tax. There you have 10 - 12 submarines by 2030 plus KRI Cakra
But then again we already sign up for 2 scorpene.
 

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But then again we already sign up for 2 scorpene.
I'm just saying out of simplicity however things are always complicated AFAIK we only signed MoU on Scorpene not procurement contract
 

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If you ask me for the simplicity getting 10 submarines before 2030, take the whole 4 units of Tupi Class, take 3 Type-214 Class and then conduct the technical audits on 3 Nagapasa Class, do everything necessarily to optimise those 3 units already in our service, after all they're paid by citizens's tax. There you have 10 - 12 submarines by 2030 plus KRI Cakra

But then again we already sign up for 2 scorpene.
Scorpene made in Indonesia will take up to 6-7 years with Naval Group assitance. They need to repair Nagasa class as functional sub. So maybe thats why the twitter guy push the idea of 2 brand submarines at once.
 

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Scorpene made in Indonesia will take up to 6-7 years with Naval Group assitance. They need to repair Nagasa class as functional sub. So maybe thats why the twitter guy push the idea of 2 brand submarines at once.
If we are using our sense, take Scorpene or Type 214 Class but never both, that's a perfect recipe for disaster in years to come though in my preference i'll go for Type 214 Class over the reason of our past mistakes on Nagapasa Class
 

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Some of the twit translation
On the last day of Indodefence 2022 yesterday, the Tweetmilitary managed to meet a representative of Fincantieri who informed them that they were still waiting for the certainty of funding for the FREMM project from the Government.

ALRI will take the ASW ver. Of FREMM the model displayed.
According to Fincantieri, the procurement of FREMM for the Indonesian Navy will increase Indonesia's maritime security capabilities, especially in terms of anti-submarine forces.

Will this be comeback for Fincantieri after defeated by Damen in Kornas program decades ago?
 
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Acc. to @SavunmaSanayiST.com ;


The missiles are not Hisar-O/U but whole new missiles for medium and long range that will be developed specially for Indonesia, by Roketsan.


I don't think the missile will be different, it will be modified but what?
 

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I don't think the missile will be different, it will be modified but what?
We don't know what they require exactly, but i think diameter will be common.
Some of the twit translation


ALRI will take the ASW ver. Of FREMM lioe the model displayed.


Will this be comeback for Fincantieri after defeated by Damen in Kornas program decades ago?
Welcome another CMS on FREMM, by Leonardo.
 

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We don't know what they require exactly, but i think diameter will be common.

Welcome another CMS on FREMM, by Leonardo.


whats with this trisula? I mean we are selling them half products :LOL:, ship CMS but no ships. I hope that Atmaca stays atmaca.
 

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PT BTI Indo Tekno Collaborates with SEA,

Improves Sonar Detection Capability on Warships



PT BTI Indo Tekno cooperated with SEA (Cohort PLC Company) from the UK, to introduce sonar technology solutions, which in addition to being sophisticated, can also be installed on light tonnage warships.


solution for replacement parchim class
 

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PT BTI Indo Tekno Collaborates with SEA,

Improves Sonar Detection Capability on Warships



PT BTI Indo Tekno cooperated with SEA (Cohort PLC Company) from the UK, to introduce sonar technology solutions, which in addition to being sophisticated, can also be installed on light tonnage warships.



solution for replacement parchim class
BTI and SEA Sign Cooperation to Improve Weapons Quality for Indonesian Warships

Peter explained that SEA products are different from other products. SEA is the only one that has ray sonar with a very small size. So this can change the way of operation or concept of operation (Konops) of the navy.

"Previously, only large ships such as frigates or destroyers could carry out anti-submarine warfare. Meanwhile, small ships were limited. Such as PC 60, PC 40, KCR could not. Because they carried sonar, it was too heavy," he said.

So, with the SEA product, PC 40 class ships can detect submarines.

"So I think this is a very extraordinary breakthrough, especially for naval users to be able to detect it early. Because of Indonesia's maritime waters, we hope to use small ships," he said.

 

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"Previously, only large ships such as frigates or destroyers could carry out anti-submarine warfare. Meanwhile, small ships were limited. Such as PC 60, PC 40, KCR could not. Because they carried sonar, it was too heavy," he said.
FPB-57 nav II are light tonnage ASW ship with own hull sonars.
 

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What did C705 do in PAL booth? Are they pushing C series to the ALRI beside the orevious kcr batch?
 
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