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KFX is only less than 2 billion USD, we dont need this President Decree. This plan will slash KFX market beyond that 48 and many more. PT PAL Director also said better use unmanned submarine that is much cheaper and he even has made the design.

Our GDP will be huge insha ALLAH in 2030, the plan will only suppress our local defense industry future market.

If we have had that already approved 20 billion USD, it is already good. Just let our defense industry to mature and 6 year from now they can make most weapon inshaAllah (of course many components are still imported). Better save the money to push our economy into 2 trillion USD in 2030 inshaAllah and spend most budget for our local defense industry.

I dont dream Indonesia to be the next Saudi or UAE, I dream Indonesia to be the next China
Still, we can't effort to pay our dev cost if we don't get this hutang.

Rafale is for 2 new skadron (replacing F16v plan).
Eagle 2 is for F5 replacement.
Just use KF21 to replace current F16 and Flanker (and hawk too?) fleet by 2028 onward.

Bold: this is just straight up delusional for me. There's just no way UUVs can completely replace maned submarine.
 

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Still, we can't effort to pay our dev cost if we don't get this hutang.

Rafale is for 2 new skadron (replacing F16v plan).
Eagle 2 is for F5 replacement.
Just use KF21 to replace current F16 and Flanker (and hawk too?) fleet by 2028 onward.

Bold: this is just straight up delusional for me. There's just no way UUVs can completely replace maned submarine.

They would need a massive loan for completion of the Boramae project, not to mention to bought the intended units
 

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2 Lagi F-16A/B Hasil EMLU Sudah Bersalin Warna​


05 Juni 2021


F-16B TS-1602 TNI AU (photo : World Defense Zone)

Menindak-lanjuti uji coba pesawat F-16A/B hasil EMLU (Enhanced Mid-Life Update) ketiga yang telah dilaksanakan pada bulan Desember tahun 2020 lalu, World Defense Zone pada tanggal 18 April 2021 lalu menampilkan foto pesawat ketiga yaitu TS-1602 yang telah bersalin warna dari kuning menjadi abu-abu.

Camo baru pesawat hasil EMLU adalah warna abu-abu (grey), camo ini memang menjadi mirip dengan pesawat F-16 yang dipakai oleh USAF. Dan ini merupakan pesawat F-16 berkursi tandem pertama TNI AU yang menyelesaikan EMLU.


F-16A TS-1609 TNI AU (photo : Lembaga Keris)

Jika TS-1602 adalah pesawat F-16A/B ketiga yang selesai menjalani program EMLU maka Lembaga Keris melakukan posting pesawat tempur keempat yaitu TS-1609 yang telah selesai menjalani program EMLU pada postingan tanggal 11 Mei 2021 lalu.

Melihat dari historical pesawat pertama hingga ketiga yang berubah skema warnanya setelah menjalani pengujian, maka dapat dipastikan bahwa pesawat keempat ini telah selesai menjalani pengujian sehingga sudah berhak memakai warna abu-abu.

Masih ada enam pesawat F-16A/B yang belum selesai menjalani program EMLU. Dengan hitungan waktu yang sama, semestinya pada bulan September nanti pesawat kelima F-16A/B sudah bersalin warna karena telah selesai menjalani EMLU dan telah melewati tahapan pengujian.

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Still, we can't effort to pay our dev cost if we don't get this hutang.

Rafale is for 2 new skadron (replacing F16v plan).
Eagle 2 is for F5 replacement.
Just use KF21 to replace current F16 and Flanker (and hawk too?) fleet by 2028 onward.

Bold: this is just straight up delusional for me. There's just no way UUVs can completely replace maned submarine.
The one talking about unmanned submarine is PT PAL Director that has experience in naval shipbuilding in Japan and has Phd from Japan universities in shipbuilding program, he also has degree in electronics so understand how AI works. Why dont you see his conversation with Dahlan Iskan

 

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Want to ask and clarify is the USD 125 Bil budget to be all spend including delivery of the weaponry no later than 2024? Or is it just the procurement pending delivery from the OEMs and the delivery can be post 2024?
 

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Want to ask and clarify is the USD 125 Bil budget to be all spend including delivery of the weaponry no later than 2024? Or is it just the procurement pending delivery from the OEMs? Delivery can be post 2024.
that's our common question....Mr. MoD suppose to involved Mrs. CRB in the process, thus she wont be such noisy like this, watch following video for the chronology of events in details from Mrs. CRB point of view

 

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Want to ask and clarify is the USD 125 Bil budget to be all spend including delivery of the weaponry no later than 2024? Or is it just the procurement pending delivery from the OEMs and the delivery can be post 2024?

Spend all until 2024 but delivery can be beyond 2024.
 

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that's our common question....Mr. MoD suppose to involved Mrs. CRB in the process, thus she wont be such noisy like this, watch following video for the chronology of events in details from Mrs. CRB point of view

Yeah i suppose so.
Spend all until 2024 but delivery can be beyond 2024.
So whats up with barang bekas by Connie than if the delivery can be beyond 2024.
 

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Commission I Supports the Advancement of Alutsista and Sarpras SatBravo 90 Paskhas TNI

AU 05-06-2021 / COMMISSION I

The Special Working Visit Team for Commission I DPR RI appreciates the explanation from the Commander of the Bravo 90 Paskhas TNI AU, regarding the readiness to carry out the TNI's main tasks such as military operations for war, and military operations other than war with the support of defense equipment and infrastructure.

Commission I of the DPR RI also supports the achievement of the SatBravo 90 Paskhas TNI AU proposed program, including; the target for the construction of facilities and infrastructure, and the construction of materials until 2024. Given that the current condition of the infrastructure and defense equipment that is owned is not in accordance with the times, and it is hoped that Indonesia's need to have a strong TNI from 2021-2024 can be realized soon.

“Then there is also the need for a training ground, the need for fast transportation. So this should be driven by their needs. Hopefully the concept that we want, having a strong TNI from 2021-2024, this need has entered, "said Deputy Chairman of Commission I DPR RI Utut Adianto at the Bravo 90 Paskhas Unit of the Indonesian Air Force Rumpin, Bogor, Friday (4/6/2021) .

Utut added that the concept of soldiering and the readiness of the soldiers in SatBravo 90 Paskhas TNI AU had qualified capabilities, but in terms of equipment and existing infrastructure needed to be supported. Mainly related to tapping devices to support their performance, which is currently still using 2G technology, while current progress has reached 5G.

The same thing was conveyed by the Chairman of the Committee I of the Indonesian House of Representatives Commission I, Bambang Kristiono, who thought that support for significant improvements and improvements in the defense equipment owned by the SatBravo 90 Paskhas TNI AU was indeed needed. For him, reform is no longer needed, but also a revolution to improve the Indonesian defense equipment system.

"Let's just look at one example, we are now in the 4G era towards 5G but the equipment we have is still 2G. How is this? This means that all of these equipments are not optimally operational, or we can use them for the current situation, in other words, they are not in accordance with the times, so we need one, in my opinion, a revolution is no longer a reform. In my opinion, the revolution in repairing and perfecting the defense and security tools that we have now must be carried out," he said.

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Yeah i suppose so.

So whats up with barang bekas by Connie than if the delivery can be beyond 2024.

I also dont know why Connie bring this kind of thing, not really clever to bring this thing as issue as we know Prabowo plan is to reach the need for 5 Renstra, so not only for this Renstra (2019-2024).

The main point is that all order will be completed in first Renstra (2019-2024) while the rest is more about payment and delivery. This is the main problem that should be raised instead of barang bekas or delivery time will be beyond 2024
 
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I also dont know why Connie bring this kind of thing, not really clever to bring this thing as issue as we know Prabowo plan is to reach the need for 5 Renstra, so not only for this Renstra (2019-2024).

The main point is that all order will be completed in first Renstra (2019-2024) while the rest is more about payment and delivery. This is the main problem that should be raised instead of barang bekas or delivery time will be beyond 2024
The more make sense feedback is from Andi Widjayanto as below video


It can give explanation that reaction of CRB is like "emak-emak ngamuk" because she wasn't involved but curious enough to get clarity and finally only to find she's been accused of lying. That's why she brought the issue to public and roasted it. Thus, to calm down this emak emak ngamuk is to invite her to the talks of internal Mindef discussion.
 

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Denhanud 472 paskhas combat readiness test with oerlikon skyshield
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Denhanud 472 paskhas combat readiness test with oerlikon skyshield
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that's our common question....Mr. MoD suppose to involved Mrs. CRB in the process, thus she wont be such noisy like this, watch following video for the chronology of events in details from Mrs. CRB point of view

I stop watching when Gombal Fire Power Index were brought up.

Anyway, using SPV (Special Purpose Vehicle) to manage Billions USD worth of projects is common practice in international business world. Obviously since this is public funding there will always be politicians whose making noise about it for their own personal gain (political gain). However, in international business & commerce It's pretty much common practice.
 

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