Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Umigami]

Indonesia will get a transfer of technology of AESA radar from the Rafale purchase according by Colonel Dedy Laksmono.https://www.youtube.com/live/TUquJxuYg30?feature=share

Still Gallium Arsenide base

 

[Umigami]

mayan lah buat di taroh di IFX

Just stay with Hanwa AESA. It has more TR module and already mature. It also already Gallium Nitrite

 

[R4duga]

Still Gallium Arsenide base

how did you come in conclusion the offset would be "Gallium arsenide" based AESA radar though ?? (even though if it was Gallium Arsenide, still considered as quantum leap in our domestic radar development), THALES does not just offer Gallium arsenide based radar, they've already been using Gallium Nitride RF sub-component on their radar since very long time ago.

now the one that i will be skeptical is whether indonesia will source that sub-component from foreign supplier to develop our Radar or does Thales also will provide necessary development resources for our own domestic made Radar Sub-Component such as Solid State amplifiers, PIN diode control devices, oscillators, filters, and monolithic microwave integrated circuit (MMIC).

if the second scenario does happened, indonesia might started it's journey on Semiconductor Industry in RFIC field.

sub component above is also dual use technology since both can be used for commercial/civil or military requirements.

 

[Gary]

GaAS or GaN, its still a big deal for us

 

[Umigami]

how did you come in conclusion the offset would be "Gallium arsenide" based AESA radar though ?? (even though if it was GAs, still considered as quantum leap in our domestitc radar development), THALES does not just offer Gallium arsenide based radar, they've already been using Gallium Nitride RF sub-component on their radar since very long time ago.

now the one that i will be skeptical is whether indonesia will source that sub-component from foreign supplier or does Thales also will provide necessary development resources for our own domestic made Radar Sub-Component such as Solid State amplifiers, PIN diode control devices, oscillators, filters, and monolithic microwave integrated circuit (MMIC).

if the second scenario does happened, indonesia might started it's journey on Semiconductor Industry in RFIC field.

sub component above is also dual use technology since both can be used for commercial/civil or military requirements.

It's ToT from Rafale deal. RBE2 AA is GAs AESA. And do you think we still have time for this when the target is 2026 for mass production?

Even Korea (with help from Elta, Saab, and Leonardo) need almost a decade to develop KF21 AESA radar.

I didn't suggest we abandon that ToT opportunity. It's possible to mount that radar in later IFX batch but for now just stick with the original one.

 

[norman88]

Just stay with Hanwa AESA. It has more TR module and already mature. It also already Gallium Nitrite

Even with much less radar modules (838 T/R vs 1088 T/R) and only "GaAs", both have the same radar range. Just don't underestimate Bonaparte technology.

 

[rai456]

Even with much less radar modules (838 T/R vs 1088 T/R) and only "GaAs", both have the same radar range. Just don't underestimate Bonaparte technology.

I never understood how Rafale can get so good performance from a GaAs radar with so little cells. Most other western aircraft with AESA radars have many more cells. The RBE2 AA might be one of the smallest modern western radars.

 

[Lordimperator]

Even Korea (with help from Elta, Saab, and Leonardo) need almost a decade to develop KF21 AESA radar.

The Koreans agreed to give IDN the tech or not?

 

[Umigami]

The Koreans agreed to give IDN the tech or not?

No.
Buy it just like any other customer.

 

[Umigami]

Even with much less radar modules (838 T/R vs 1088 T/R) and only "GaAs", both have the same radar range. Just don't underestimate Bonaparte technology.

Hoe Dhimas calculate it?

 

[norman88]

Hoe Dhimas calculate it?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495464775156862977

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495464775156862977

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495471909039120384

Slower scan mean slower target update, right?

 

[norman88]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495471909039120384

Slower scan mean slower target update, right?

maybe, I don't really understand it.

but some say it's because Rafale uses European modules, where it improves quality and range of the radar compared to American-made modules.

British/Italian Tempest (GCAP) Fighter : News and Discussion

So, if the Captor-E uses the same hardware as the RBE-2 AESA, it could even match Irbis-E's 350Km performance. So all these figures are way above the capabilities of the older American radars on the F-22 or the F-35, 'cause we know for a fact that the F-35 falls short of the F-22, and the F-22...

www.strategicfront.org

 

[Gary]

maybe, I don't really understand it.

but some say it's because Rafale uses European modules, where it improves quality and range of the radar compared to American-made modules.

British/Italian Tempest (GCAP) Fighter : News and Discussion

So, if the Captor-E uses the same hardware as the RBE-2 AESA, it could even match Irbis-E's 350Km performance. So all these figures are way above the capabilities of the older American radars on the F-22 or the F-35, 'cause we know for a fact that the F-35 falls short of the F-22, and the F-22...

www.strategicfront.org

Lol the antenna technology on American radar is probably a generation ahead than its European counterpart.

Just to remember here, the APG-77 and 81 comes 20 years ago and the European's has yet to field their own counterpart to those two.

The APG-77v1 and APG-81’s large bandwidth also allows the F-22 and F-35 to use their radar for powerful broadband jamming. Their radar is the primary transmitter for the EW suite, providing 10 times effective radiated jamming power of dedicated EW platforms.
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This is what allows F-22 and F-35 to provide escort-jamming support to legacy aircraft, whereas Su-57’s EW suite is purely for Self-Protection. The N036 radar is expected to have limited Electronic Attack capability but it’s highly unlikely that the current radar has any such capability. The Su-57 very likely needs a new antenna design to accommodate EA capability – similar to how EF Typhoon requires a brand new AESA radar (ECRS Mk 2) for EA operations. This is mainly because a jammer requires wider bandwidth in order to be viable, preferably requiring a notch antenna. Of course, a post-production upgraded radar can’t match the level of integration to one designed from the onset to be deeply integrated with the EW suite. Just like Typhoon’s ECRS Mk 2 and F-18E/F’s APG-79, future Su-57 radar’s EA capability will not be anywhere close to that of F-35 or F-22.

Does the F-35/F-22 have any advantages in avionics over that of the Su-57 besides the AN/AAQ-37? Whose radar is more powerful, Belka, AN/...

Abhirup Sengupta's answer: F-35’s DAS is only an extreme example where there’s absolutely no equivalent, even keeping that aside almost every avionics on F-22 and F-35 is vastly more capable than Su-57. Both APG-77v1 and APG-81 are bigger than Su-57’s N036 radar (~2,000 & 1,676 vs. 1,550 TRMs on ...

www.quora.com

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1639942075713191936

 

[Windchime]

Even with much less radar modules (838 T/R vs 1088 T/R) and only "GaAs", both have the same radar range. Just don't underestimate Bonaparte technology.

Those figures just came out of his ass. How cann he calculate all those number while not knowing necessary figures like dwell time, PRT, peak power, SNR of each radar backend, etc?

Moreover, if he really thinks that RBE2 will have the same detection and tracking range to the Hanwha AESA radar he's just delusional.

 

[Windchime]

Lol the antenna technology on American radar is probably a generation ahead than its European counterpart.

Just to remember here, the APG-77 and 81 comes 20 years ago and the European's has yet to field their own counterpart to those two.

Does the F-35/F-22 have any advantages in avionics over that of the Su-57 besides the AN/AAQ-37? Whose radar is more powerful, Belka, AN/...

Abhirup Sengupta's answer: F-35’s DAS is only an extreme example where there’s absolutely no equivalent, even keeping that aside almost every avionics on F-22 and F-35 is vastly more capable than Su-57. Both APG-77v1 and APG-81 are bigger than Su-57’s N036 radar (~2,000 & 1,676 vs. 1,550 TRMs on ...

www.quora.com

Don't even need to bring up US MICs, the Europeans were even behind the Japanese when it comes to active phased array developments. It is only recent that they have caught up to the deficit from the 90s. They are in no way matched to contemporary US technology.

Though, this again doesn't mean that it applies to each individual examples, since fighter radar capabilities are limited by various other factors apart from the available techonlogy.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640681481554247680

 

[Umigami]

Just take vanilla Boramae specifications as IFX

 

[norman88]

Don't even need to bring up US MICs, the Europeans were even behind the Japanese when it comes to active phased array developments. It is only recent that they have caught up to the deficit from the 90s. They are in no way matched to contemporary US technology.

Though, this again doesn't mean that it applies to each individual examples, since fighter radar capabilities are limited by various other factors apart from the available techonlogy.

In the beginning, rbe2 radar uses american-made modules. Due to underpowered, then replaced with European-made modules

Also due to pressure from uae to upgrade the radar in 2011.

Uae requested an upgrade because rbe2 performance at that time was below apg-80 (f-16).

And finally in 2021, UAE bought 80 Rafales, this indicates the rafale radar performance is superior to F-16 (APG 80).

Apg 80 far outperformed apg 83, Which is hanwha radar "target".

Apg 83 detection range at 1 m² rcs = 47 NM (87 KM)
Apg 80 detection range at 1 m² rcs = 64 NM (118 Km)

In the end, based on this perspective.

RBE2 > APG 80 > APG 83 < Hanwha Radar