Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1365566005062242306

Look ma no hands.

 

[NEKO]

You add weapons, simulators, spares, maintenance, and Performance Based Logistics support for five years, it becomes $132 mil/jet.

You add offset business (like India) it becomes $264 mil/jet.

Is this even legit? Can you provide sauce?
$264 mil is double the price of Rafale package, what will India get? Radar, engine technology?

 

[Gary]

 

[Madokafc]

Is this even legit? Can you provide sauce?
$264 mil is double the price of Rafale package, what will India get? Radar, engine technology?

Most likely, they intended to push more offset to help them to developing their local Made fighter and to secure the supply chain at the same time.

 

[Parry Brima]

Is this even legit? Can you provide sauce?
$264 mil is double the price of Rafale package, what will India get? Radar, engine technology?

I already put the sauce in the original post. Here I re-attach it again.

India, France ink €7.87 billion agreement for 36 Rafales

The deal includes aircraft in fly-away condition, weapons, simulators, spares, maintenance, and Performance Based Logistics support for five years.

www.thehindu.com

What will India get? Plenty. Our friend @Nilgiri has posted a couple examples.

Inside the Reliance-Dassault factory that's making Falcon 2000 jets in Nagpur

The work continues nearly 1,000 km from India's national capital where this facility is not seen amicably in one of India's most vitiated political atmospheres.

www.businesstoday.in

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[FPXAllen]

Still no X ?

Not sure if I understand it right, but I heard that carrying live missile could shorten its storage life. If it's true, the Xs incl. AMRAAMs will only be carried during real confrontation.

Those 9Ps could be old stocks nearing their expiration date that will be used for AA training.

 

[Gary]

Not sure if I understand it right, but I heard that carrying live missile could shorten its storage life. If it's true, the Xs incl. AMRAAMs will only be carried during real confrontation.

Those 9Ps could be old stocks nearing their expiration date that will be used for AA training.

the AIM-9P5 is fairly new.

 

[FPXAllen]

the AIM-9P5 is fairly new.

So that probably means they have enough stocks to not worry about expiration date anymore.

Though I wonder what do you mean by "fairly new". If those P5 arrived sometime around ten years ago, then they are nearing their solid propellants' expiration date.

I ask this because I don't know when those missiles arrive here or whether there were several procurement batches that the ones we see now are from the older batch or something.

 

[Gary]

So that probably means they have enough stocks to not worry about expiration date anymore.

Though I wonder what do you mean by "fairly new". If those P5 arrived sometime around ten years ago, then they are nearing their solid propellants' expiration date.

I ask this because I don't know when those missiles arrive here or whether there were several procurement batches that the ones we see now are from the older batch or something.

10 years ago?? I suppose the P5s delivered here as part of weapons package for the 52ID no??

 

[FPXAllen]

10 years ago?? I suppose the P5s delivered here as part of weapons package for the 52ID no??

That's why I asked. I vaguely recall - probably from TSM or Angkasa magazine - that our F-16 A/Bs were already armed with 9Ps.
That, and the deal with 52ID was with 9X IIRC.

 

[Gary]

That's why I asked. I vaguely recall - probably from TSM or Angkasa magazine - that our F-16 A/Bs were already armed with 9Ps.
That, and the deal with 52ID was with 9X IIRC.

cmiiw

-F-5 Tiger II come armed with P2s (retired already)
-F-16A/B come armed with P4s,
-F-16C/D come armed with P5s

 

[Indos]

cmiiw

-F-5 Tiger II come armed with P2s (retired already)
-F-16A/B come armed with P4s,
-F-16C/D come armed with P5s

Indonesia – AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Missiles | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

 

[Gary]

Indonesia – AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Missiles | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

ah yes, the 9Xs for the upgraded eMLU Vipers.

 

[FPXAllen]

cmiiw

-F-5 Tiger II come armed with P2s (retired already)
-F-16A/B come armed with P4s,
-F-16C/D come armed with P5s

So the question now is whether the plane in @JATOSINT tweet was F-16A or C.

In any case, if that photo indicates that we're using live missiles for patrols and don't have to worry about those missiles' expiration date anymore, then it's all good.

 

[NEKO]

Most likely, they intended to push more offset to help them to developing their local Made fighter and to secure the supply chain at the same time.

Will we able to do the same (have the money, allowed to get ToT, and able to absorb the ToT).

We won't get critical tech transfer from KFX, might try to get it from France, menjahit belajar dari korea, jeroan belajar dari perancis, and will be useful if we want to built our own jet in the future. Kalo ya.

Nasi tumpeng rasa baguette khas korea jadinya ntar.

 

[Indos]

ah yes, the 9Xs for the upgraded eMLU Vipers.

That was in 2015, MLU viper hasnt become a program yet at that time. That was for 24 F 16 C/D block 52..

 

[Parry Brima]

Will we able to do the same (have the money, allowed to get ToT, and able to absorb the ToT).

We won't get critical tech transfer from KFX, might try to get it from France, menjahit belajar dari korea, jeroan belajar dari perancis, and will be useful if we want to built our own jet in the future. Kalo ya.

Nasi tumpeng rasa baguette khas korea jadinya ntar.

Most likely yes. The French are ready to give aplenty. Much more than what the Koreans are willing to give.

Quote from Korea Joongan Daily :

"The offers put out by France, which one Korean defense industry source said included a much larger transfer of fighter jet technologies, has enticed Indonesia, and according to French publication La Tribune, the two countries are close to a deal."

Indonesia appears likely to withdraw from joint fighter jet project

Korea’s ambitious indigenous fighter jet project may end up costing taxpayers much more than they bargained for, as its partner Indonesia toys with pulling out from the program altogether.

koreajoongangdaily.joins.com

 

[Gary]

That was in 2015, MLU viper hasnt become a program yet at that time. That was for 24 F 16 C/D block 52..

could be for the eMLU, the falcon star project started in September 2017, a year after. so they maybe bought it in advance??

 

[Gary]

So the question now is whether the plane in @JATOSINT tweet was F-16A or C.

In any case, if that photo indicates that we're using live missiles for patrols and don't have to worry about those missiles' expiration date anymore, then it's all good.

it's very likely be a C, the A/B are in que for the falcon star upgrade.

but who knows.

 

[Umigami]

it's very likely be a C, the A/B are in que for the falcon star upgrade.

but who knows.

Definitely c or d